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Young/2nd rounder
-- Hezonja/Mo Williams
Mo Williams/Rights to Osman
-- 2nd rounder
Hezonja
-- Young/Rights to Osman
LA gets a lotto prospect at guard with size. Cleveland saves $ and recouperates a pick for Osman. Orlando gets contract year Young for a playoff push and Osman as a prospect to offset losing a Hezonja.
LA can cut Metta to accommodate the two for one and resign him after.
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I have a feeling the front office is going to play it conservative this season.
If they're not willing to shake up Tarik's minutes for a vet min deal to get D-Mo, do we really think they're going to pull off a Lou trade for a pick, or a Noel deal?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: It's time for a trade... |
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | ...... This team does not fit. Too many young guys, not enough good defenders, too many one on one guy's. It's time to package 2 of the young guys and a vet for a disgruntled star player..... Demarcus....Cousins! |
I'm not against a trade, but:
- Why a disgruntled star would want to be traded to our struggling team?
- I agree that we have too many young guys and most of them don't have great upside as defenders, but how do you think Cousins would help us to be a better defensive team?
A trade may be the most realistic way to get a star under new CBA, but I don't think we are going to get a real difference maker moving a couple of young players, unless you believe there are executives so high on our young pieces as some posters. Good luck trying to trade Julius and JC for Anthony Davis  |
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| Eindhoven wrote: | | I'd love to have Paul George aboard. But, for those who claim we can trade the young core for him, because he can attract other FAs, tell me who could Indiana attract the past 3 or 4 years? End of line Al Jefferson? |
Who really wants to go to Indiana?!
George in LA is a bit different. |
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Clarkson for Gary Harris  |
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| MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols 
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
Do they? What do the stats say?  |
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Lakers may consider to trade Williams in order to give more room for Clarkson and Ingram.
Black, Nance, Ingram, Clarkson, Calderon
Calderon is a better PG and 3 points specialist. Clarkson is in his 3rd year and can have to learn to carry the scoring lord off the bench consistently. It has been 30+ NBA games for Ingram and he is more and more comfortable now. It is time to increase his scoring load too imo. |
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I'd love it if LA could net Stanley Johnson from Detroit. He and Ingram would be monsters together defensively. Would pair well with Russell and Randle on that end too. E also happens to be a SoCal kid who went to Arizona so he's a guy Luke probably wouldn't mind picking up.
Reggie Jackson has struggled and they could use someone who can score and handle the ball. Detroit also has some tax issues to resolve with KCP coming up on extension. Maybe taking one of Leur, Ish or Boban gives them a little more space.
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| krisobe wrote: | Calderon
Clarkson
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Nance
Cousins
That team gets spanked by Warriors/Spurs/Cavs in 7. |
How do you get both George and Cousins while only giving up Russell, Ingram, and Randle? |
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Steve Kyler, who's sort of connected but not really, is pretty insistent that the Lakers org isn't going to make any deals by the deadline.
If they don't make a play for a 1st rounder... I'll be really disappointed.
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| Dave20 wrote: | | Lou or Young should be traded at the deadline for a 1st round pick. As for Cousins and George I'd be willing to trade any of the young core for them. |
I have to agree with this. Even though both Young and Lou have been playing really well, they're not part of the future. I still don't think we'll be bottom 3 so Philly gets our pick, but we really need a top 12 pick. |
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I would imagine there will be a trade before the deadline. Mitch doesn't make firesale type trades, so unless he thinks it is a positive move they'll stand pat but it makes sense to listen to offers and try to move a number of players.
Nick Young is the most obvious. He's having a great season, but will opt out this summer and I'd guess they will be wary about giving him the $10M+ per season he will command at his age and given how his played dropped off badly after receiving his last contract.
Lou Williams also has a lot of value, and with Clarkson playing a similar role he could be expendable and useful to a contender. I don't think they will feel a need to trade him when he is valuable to the team, and still has another year at a bargain $7M next season. They can hold on to him and move him this summer or mid-season next year, but he has the most trade value out of the vets.
Tarik Black has a trade friendly contract. If the Lakers make a move for a center they could use him to sweeten the deal with Nance and Randle both being capable of being small ball centers.
T-Rob has a cheap contract and someone may be willing to trade for him as he's playing well. Calderon and Huertas can be bundled as expirings. I'm sure they'd also listen to offers for Moz or Deng if anyone is interested.
I'm sure the more featured young guys also could be had if the right deal came along. I doubt they actively look to trade any of them though. |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | I'd love it if LA could net Stanley Johnson from Detroit. He and Ingram would be monsters together defensively. Would pair well with Russell and Randle on that end too. E also happens to be a SoCal kid who went to Arizona so he's a guy Luke probably wouldn't mind picking up.
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that lineup would have to hold teams to 60 points to have a chance. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: |
Nick Young is the most obvious. He's having a great season, but will opt out this summer and I'd guess they will be wary about giving him the $10M+ per season he will command at his age and given how his played dropped off badly after receiving his last contract.
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heard multiple non Laker voices speculate he will opt in to ensure he stays in LA.....many think he has zero interest in leaving LA, and the Lakers specifically. I have not idea if those thoughts are accurate.
I would say that he has to realize the difference and benefits in playing for a coach that puts him in position to succeed in comparison to the alternative. |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
denver would be calling to make this trade and the lakers would "lol." |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
denver would be calling to make this trade and the lakers would "lol." |
Except Denver wouldn't. Gary Harris is a signficant upgrade from JC |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Vesper wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
denver would be calling to make this trade and the lakers would "lol." |
Except Denver wouldn't. Gary Harris is a signficant upgrade from JC |
There is an argument both ways....claiming "significant" either way likely involves a built in bias. I think Harris may be a little better currently based on production and defense, but event though JC is 2 years older, I think his ceiling is slightly higher.....dont think either team really would have interest in the trade. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Vesper wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
denver would be calling to make this trade and the lakers would "lol." |
Except Denver wouldn't. Gary Harris is a signficant upgrade from JC |
There is an argument both ways....claiming "significant" either way likely involves a built in bias. I think Harris may be a little better currently based on production and defense, but event though JC is 2 years older, I think his ceiling is slightly higher.....dont think either team really would have interest in the trade. |
I don't watch much of the Nuggets but I doubt Harris is a significant upgrade. Even if he's slightly better, it's a bad move when you think about the loss in chemistry and brotherhood that is developed by playing together. I'm fine with trading Clarkson but not for another young player who may or may not be slightly better. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Vesper wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
denver would be calling to make this trade and the lakers would "lol." |
Except Denver wouldn't. Gary Harris is a signficant upgrade from JC |
There is an argument both ways....claiming "significant" either way likely involves a built in bias. I think Harris may be a little better currently based on production and defense, but event though JC is 2 years older, I think his ceiling is slightly higher.....dont think either team really would have interest in the trade. |
Harris is a huge reason why Denver doesn't suck anymore along with Jokic back in the starting lineup.
His perimeter shooting and defense would be a huge upgrade for us and balance our team better. JC is redundant to LouWill |
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| adkindo wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: |
Nick Young is the most obvious. He's having a great season, but will opt out this summer and I'd guess they will be wary about giving him the $10M+ per season he will command at his age and given how his played dropped off badly after receiving his last contract.
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heard multiple non Laker voices speculate he will opt in to ensure he stays in LA.....many think he has zero interest in leaving LA, and the Lakers specifically. I have not idea if those thoughts are accurate.
I would say that he has to realize the difference and benefits in playing for a coach that puts him in position to succeed in comparison to the alternative. |
I really don't want Nick Young back next year, I'd much rather have someone a little less shoot first next to DLO. Another year of Lou/Young leading us in shots and scoring is a nightmare for me personally. I'd love to get some type of assets back for one or even both of them. |
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| We need a legit scorer inside to take the pressure off our guards. Someone like Z-bo would fit nicely. Maybe give up Deng, Robinson, and maybe Clarkson or Williams if they insist for a legit consistent scoring PF (Like Z-bo). Let Randle learn from a vet like that |
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| Vesper wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Vesper wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Clarkson for Gary Harris |
Denver lols |
denver would be calling to make this trade and the lakers would "lol." |
Except Denver wouldn't. Gary Harris is a signficant upgrade from JC |
There is an argument both ways....claiming "significant" either way likely involves a built in bias. I think Harris may be a little better currently based on production and defense, but event though JC is 2 years older, I think his ceiling is slightly higher.....dont think either team really would have interest in the trade. |
Harris is a huge reason why Denver doesn't suck anymore along with Jokic back in the starting lineup.
His perimeter shooting and defense would be a huge upgrade for us and balance our team better. JC is redundant to LouWill |
your real loose with terms like "significant" and "huge"...their stats are near identical in points, rebounds, assists and MPG...with Harris having slightly better shooting %'s. |
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: |
Nick Young is the most obvious. He's having a great season, but will opt out this summer and I'd guess they will be wary about giving him the $10M+ per season he will command at his age and given how his played dropped off badly after receiving his last contract.
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heard multiple non Laker voices speculate he will opt in to ensure he stays in LA.....many think he has zero interest in leaving LA, and the Lakers specifically. I have not idea if those thoughts are accurate.
I would say that he has to realize the difference and benefits in playing for a coach that puts him in position to succeed in comparison to the alternative. |
I really don't want Nick Young back next year, I'd much rather have someone a little less shoot first next to DLO. Another year of Lou/Young leading us in shots and scoring is a nightmare for me personally. I'd love to get some type of assets back for one or even both of them. |
Think about it for a second before you say "both" though.
Russell needs guys to make shots to tally up assists and improve as a playmaker. Same with Randle. Nick hits shots, and to be honest, he hasn't been more than a spot up shooter this season who has been absolute money.
If we get rid of both, I think it hurts both Russ and Randle's games. I'd say trade one of Lou or Nick and keep the other. Id rather trade Lou because he has higher value and a longer contract than Nick, who can opt out and probably will opt or if he's not playing in LA. So as a trade prospect, he has even lower value given a likely opt out. I'd keep Nick and let him walk.
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