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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:25 am Post subject: I am puzzled by this team |
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While I agree that the start of the season was a fluke, in watching this roster play, I am puzzled by the lack of consistency and ability to learn from mistakes. I am thinking it's because of the lack of a clear leader perhaps? Is Luke and his staff getting through to these guys? The often come out totally flat after halftime....why?
I know this team isn't the most talented but early in the season, they seemed to be communicating better and playing with a more sense of urgency.
What's changed?
I understand the injuries and the brutal schedule but still, they don't seem to be learning from past mistakes. |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
Joined: 24 Sep 2001 Posts: 8188 Location: Eagle Rock
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:30 am Post subject: |
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The funny thing is in the start of the season, the team would come out guns a blazing in the 3'rd quarter. They were making good halftime adjustments. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Its because all the other team are in mid season form. After 30+ games the rest of the league has gotten better and we have stayed the same.
It not because of coaching we just dont have the players to win.
Also when teams are winning there is a lot of communication with eachother but at this point even the players know its a lost cause so theyre starting to checkout.
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:34 am Post subject: |
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my take is, Lou Williams' game is throwing Luke's system out of whack. it breaks all the good habits the team had established early on. soon, JC follows suit with his iso game and so forth. it's a difficult crossroad for Luke, does he want to stick with his system but in danger of losing more games or let Lou be Lou just like last year and hope to put more Ws on his resume. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:39 am Post subject: |
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The bench has come back down to earth, fueled in large part to injuries as well. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:43 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | The bench has come back down to earth, fueled in large part to injuries as well. |
We still have the highest scoring bench by a whopping 7 point margin
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/pts/1-1
But yes. The bench could use a healthy Nance. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I don't think we panic and make trades. I think we ride out the season.
I do wish that the Buss' sell the team since I still think free agents and their agents are still thinking the FO is unstable.
Lately, two questions..1) how much cap space do the lakers have over the summer? And 2) does anyone have a list of free agents? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Surprised but we are the 19th bench FG% wise and worst in terms of turnovers. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:54 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Surprised but we are the 19th bench FG% wise and worst in terms of turnovers. |
The site I linked above ranks our bench 7th in FG%. We are last in Turnovers.
But our bench is top 3 in rebounding per game. Top 4 in assists per game. And #1 in steals per game. Last time I checked we had 2 top 4 bench scorers in the league (Lou 1, Clarkson 4). And Wilson Chandler was 2nd on the list. But that won't last because now he's a regular starter. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:55 am Post subject: |
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The problem is that, we are making mistakes. |
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parsons777 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Other teams have adjusted to our weaknesses. After 20 games the league figured out:
1 We have no one who can protect the rim. Go inside.
2 We switch everything early in the clock. You can get any matchup you want.
3 The SF/C spots cannot produce offense. Ignore them on D.
Those adjustments have left us exposed. |
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GRE4T ONE Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Puzzled by the lack of consistency???? Clarkson 24 Randle 22 Russell 20 and Ingram 19. Hope that answers ur question. |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:08 am Post subject: |
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parsons777 wrote: | Other teams have adjusted to our weaknesses. After 20 games the league figured out:
1 We have no one who can protect the rim. Go inside.
2 We switch everything early in the clock. You can get any matchup you want.
3 The SF/C spots cannot produce offense. Ignore them on D.
Those adjustments have left us exposed. |
plus we don't have a low post scorer |
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fontana3d Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:12 am Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | parsons777 wrote: | Other teams have adjusted to our weaknesses. After 20 games the league figured out:
1 We have no one who can protect the rim. Go inside.
2 We switch everything early in the clock. You can get any matchup you want.
3 The SF/C spots cannot produce offense. Ignore them on D.
Those adjustments have left us exposed. |
plus we don't have a low post scorer |
Which won't be easy to get. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I'm not so sure we should call the start of the season a fluke. They played well by accident? Even over the course of this awful stretch, how many teams blew us out? How many times did we get a 10, 15, 20 point lead on a good team? Is that a fluke? Don't get me wrong. We have significant focus and effort issues, and everyone is to blame for that. I just have a hard time looking at a team that consistently runs out to big leads on quality teams and conclude they don't have the ability to compete. They appear to have an issue with playing a full 48 and keeping their foot on an opponent's throat. That seems like the kind of problem a team full of kids would have. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:28 am Post subject: |
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No clear leader at this point or clear #1. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:29 am Post subject: |
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The 3rd quarter woes must be figured out. 3-4 games we were up at the half and the team killing it. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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RJBaca Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | The problem is that, we are making mistakes. |
And those mistakes, along with allowing teams to shoot un contested threes, along with poor defense in general, along with an inconsistent offense result in frustration which lead to mistakes, allowing teams to shoot un contested threes, poor defense in general and an inconsistent offense. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Maybe because we have an abundance of young players? Guys who were never held accountable due to the Tank God? There are some bad habits to reverse due to constant tanking, and that will take time. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:08 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | I'm not so sure we should call the start of the season a fluke. They played well by accident? Even over the course of this awful stretch, how many teams blew us out? How many times did we get a 10, 15, 20 point lead on a good team? Is that a fluke? Don't get me wrong. We have significant focus and effort issues, and everyone is to blame for that. I just have a hard time looking at a team that consistently runs out to big leads on quality teams and conclude they don't have the ability to compete. They appear to have an issue with playing a full 48 and keeping their foot on an opponent's throat. That seems like the kind of problem a team full of kids would have. |
Truth. Theyd almost be better off if they didn't start so hot out of the gates.
For as awful as they've been at giving up leads, there's no real props given for the Lakers finding ways to steamroll their opponent as well. They're not losing in the same ways they did last season, which is a funny thing to say but is also still significant. _________________ Austin Reaves
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:39 am Post subject: |
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They have grabbed big first half leads in several of their most recent games. That is important to me, a bad team doesn't do that. Maybe it is because I am a coach, or maybe it is because I am optimistic, but I don't think this team is a far away from being consistent winners as others seem to believe. Their biggest problem right now is reacting to negativity. Teams start to come back and they don't know how to react. The refs blow a call and it takes some out of their game. They need to learn to deal with adversity, to take it as a challenge not as a death curse. And it is something that each of them have to conquer individually. I don't get the doom and gloom, with more preparation and more film work, I think they can still win 30 games. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: |
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They played with such an edge against Miami/Charlotte and Dallas to grab nice leads. Something happens during halftime and the 3rd that is killing the momentum. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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levon Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:49 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | They played with such an edge against Miami/Charlotte and Dallas to grab nice leads. Something happens during halftime and the 3rd that is killing the momentum. |
they smoke a fat bowl with Mermuys to celebrate |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:50 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | I'm not so sure we should call the start of the season a fluke. They played well by accident? Even over the course of this awful stretch, how many teams blew us out? How many times did we get a 10, 15, 20 point lead on a good team? Is that a fluke? Don't get me wrong. We have significant focus and effort issues, and everyone is to blame for that. I just have a hard time looking at a team that consistently runs out to big leads on quality teams and conclude they don't have the ability to compete. They appear to have an issue with playing a full 48 and keeping their foot on an opponent's throat. That seems like the kind of problem a team full of kids would have. |
This |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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anth2000 wrote: | I don't think we panic and make trades. I think we ride out the season.
I do wish that the Buss' sell the team since I still think free agents and their agents are still thinking the FO is unstable.
Lately, two questions..1) how much cap space do the lakers have over the summer? And 2) does anyone have a list of free agents? |
No FA's to help us. We could go after Griffin, but I don't think he is worth it and he would not come here anyway.
It's all on us, trade, draft or grow from within. The FA class of 2017 is not good. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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