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KG24
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| whathappen2mylakers wrote: | Charles is right, there are no great players on this team.
And to the guy above who said there aren't many great players in the league right now, you crazy man. This may be the one of the most talent rich times in NBA history.
James
Durant
Curry
Leonard
Westbrook
Davis
Harden
Cousins
Butler
All of these guys are top tier, cornerstone franchise players. Plus you got the next level guys who are all really really good and borderline franchise guys.
Lillard
Lowry
Wall
George
Griffin
Green
Thompson
Aldridge
And many more
Then you got a bunch of old guys who are still ballin like Wade and Gasol. Yeah there is a ton of talent in the league right now. Unfortunately we have none of it. |
First of all that is only a hand full, and he admitted to having some very good players... but not very many "Great" players. |
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singlecamVTEC
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He's right though.
You look at this team in the 3rd-4th, no one's really there to close out games. Sure, you have Lou Will, Uncle P to bring the scores to a tie or so...and that's about it. No one to close, no one to take over.
But, I have a feeling maybe DLo or Randle will take it into their hands to do so.. it'll be down the season though. |
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AllorNothing
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | sogood. wrote: | Same guy who said the Warriors can't win with their style of play.
Same guy who said the Knicks will make the playoffs last season.
Same guy who can't tell which team a player plays for which TNT has a actual segment making fun of him for it. |
To be fair the first point the only reason GS won was due to other teams having injury.. |
They went 73-9 last season and lost the championship by four points in game seven. |
They lost because Bogut got injured. |
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KG24
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't take long to see a great player, example: Not even going to use the obvious ones, like Bird, Magic.
Wade, you knew right away
Elton Brand, you knew right away
Tom Chambers, you knew right away
Clyde Drexler, you knew right away
Patrick Ewing, you knew right away
CP3, you knew right away
Blake, you knew right away
and so on... it doesn't take years to figure it out. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| KG24 wrote: | It doesn't take long to see a great player, example: Not even going to use the obvious ones, like Bird, Magic.
Wade, you knew right away
Elton Brand, you knew right away
Tom Chambers, you knew right away
Clyde Drexler, you knew right away
Patrick Ewing, you knew right away
CP3, you knew right away
Blake, you knew right away
and so on... it doesn't take years to figure it out. |
We are on year 2 basically with Dlo/Randle and year 1 with Ingram. Most of the guys were also older when they came into the NBA.
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AllorNothing
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Barkley hasn't seen Zubac play yet!  |
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KeepItRealOrElse
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | KG24 wrote: | It doesn't take long to see a great player, example: Not even going to use the obvious ones, like Bird, Magic.
Wade, you knew right away
Elton Brand, you knew right away
Tom Chambers, you knew right away
Clyde Drexler, you knew right away
Patrick Ewing, you knew right away
CP3, you knew right away
Blake, you knew right away
and so on... it doesn't take years to figure it out. |
We are on year 2 basically with Dlo/Randle and year 1 with Ingram. Most of the guys were also older when they came into the NBA. |
exactly. this is why it's different today. Lets look at all star caliber players who all took time to be great
Harden
Kawhi
Butler
George
Isaiah Thomas
Whiteside
Milsap
Giannis
Dirk
Lowry
Dragic
Hawyard |
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Truck Turner
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | KG24 wrote: | It doesn't take long to see a great player, example: Not even going to use the obvious ones, like Bird, Magic.
Wade, you knew right away
Elton Brand, you knew right away
Tom Chambers, you knew right away
Clyde Drexler, you knew right away
Patrick Ewing, you knew right away
CP3, you knew right away
Blake, you knew right away
and so on... it doesn't take years to figure it out. |
We are on year 2 basically with Dlo/Randle and year 1 with Ingram. Most of the guys were also older when they came into the NBA. |
exactly. this is why it's different today. Lets look at all star caliber players who all took time to be great
Harden
Kawhi
Butler
George
Isaiah Thomas
Whiteside
Milsap
Giannis
Dirk
Lowry
Dragic
Hawyard |
And there are other players that took time to develop like Steve Nash, Tyson Chandler, Zach Randolph, Jermain O'Neal, and even Tracey McGrady, |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Depends on what your definition of great is. If it's Kobe, LeBron, Magic, Jordan, etc...then yeah we don't have that. |
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| For as much as you guys are criticizing him, Charles Barkley isn't the only person to say this... Luke Walton, as a matter of fact, basically said as much the other day. |
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BynumForThree
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| KG24 wrote: | | whathappen2mylakers wrote: | Charles is right, there are no great players on this team.
And to the guy above who said there aren't many great players in the league right now, you crazy man. This may be the one of the most talent rich times in NBA history.
James
Durant
Curry
Leonard
Westbrook
Davis
Harden
Cousins
Butler
All of these guys are top tier, cornerstone franchise players. Plus you got the next level guys who are all really really good and borderline franchise guys.
Lillard
Lowry
Wall
George
Griffin
Green
Thompson
Aldridge
And many more
Then you got a bunch of old guys who are still ballin like Wade and Gasol. Yeah there is a ton of talent in the league right now. Unfortunately we have none of it. |
First of all that is only a hand full, and he admitted to having some very good players... but not very many "Great" players. |
Name another period in NBA history with this much talent and list the players. I'll help you compare them. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | sogood. wrote: | Same guy who said the Warriors can't win with their style of play.
Same guy who said the Knicks will make the playoffs last season.
Same guy who can't tell which team a player plays for which TNT has a actual segment making fun of him for it. |
To be fair the first point the only reason GS won was due to other teams having injury.. |
They went 73-9 last season and lost the championship by four points in game seven. |
They lost because Bogut got injured. |
Shhh...it doesn't fit the narrative. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| KG24 wrote: | It doesn't take long to see a great player, example: Not even going to use the obvious ones, like Bird, Magic.
Wade, you knew right away
Elton Brand, you knew right away
Tom Chambers, you knew right away
Clyde Drexler, you knew right away
Patrick Ewing, you knew right away
CP3, you knew right away
Blake, you knew right away
and so on... it doesn't take years to figure it out. |
So, Giannis, Kawhi, LMA, Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Paul George, Dirk Nowitzki, James Harden, Demar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, Gordon Hayward, Marc Gasol, you knew right away?
That's arguably a complete list of HOFs.
In some cases, it does take years to figure out.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I actually like Barkley. That said...
if you find yourself agreeing with Charles it is an excellent indicator that the subject requires more thought. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | KG24 wrote: | It doesn't take long to see a great player, example: Not even going to use the obvious ones, like Bird, Magic.
Wade, you knew right away
Elton Brand, you knew right away
Tom Chambers, you knew right away
Clyde Drexler, you knew right away
Patrick Ewing, you knew right away
CP3, you knew right away
Blake, you knew right away
and so on... it doesn't take years to figure it out. |
So, Giannis, Kawhi, LMA, Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Paul George, Dirk Nowitzki, James Harden, Demar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, Gordon Hayward, Marc Gasol, you knew right away?
That's arguably a complete list of HOFs.
In some cases, it does take years to figure out. |
And all of the guys he named above played multiple years in college before the NBA (except Blake who was hurt his rookie year).
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | AllorNothing wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | sogood. wrote: | Same guy who said the Warriors can't win with their style of play.
Same guy who said the Knicks will make the playoffs last season.
Same guy who can't tell which team a player plays for which TNT has a actual segment making fun of him for it. |
To be fair the first point the only reason GS won was due to other teams having injury.. |
They went 73-9 last season and lost the championship by four points in game seven. |
They lost because Bogut got injured. |
Shhh...it doesn't fit the narrative. |
awww the cute narrative they lost cuz bogut was injured while ignoring they won with kyrie/love being injured. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | AllorNothing wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | sogood. wrote: | Same guy who said the Warriors can't win with their style of play.
Same guy who said the Knicks will make the playoffs last season.
Same guy who can't tell which team a player plays for which TNT has a actual segment making fun of him for it. |
To be fair the first point the only reason GS won was due to other teams having injury.. |
They went 73-9 last season and lost the championship by four points in game seven. |
They lost because Bogut got injured. |
Shhh...it doesn't fit the narrative. |
awww the cute narrative they lost cuz bogut was injured while ignoring they won with kyrie/love being injured. |
So are they even then? They will probably play 2-3 more Finals.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | AllorNothing wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | sogood. wrote: | Same guy who said the Warriors can't win with their style of play.
Same guy who said the Knicks will make the playoffs last season.
Same guy who can't tell which team a player plays for which TNT has a actual segment making fun of him for it. |
To be fair the first point the only reason GS won was due to other teams having injury.. |
They went 73-9 last season and lost the championship by four points in game seven. |
They lost because Bogut got injured. |
Shhh...it doesn't fit the narrative. |
awww the cute narrative they lost cuz bogut was injured while ignoring they won with kyrie/love being injured. |
So are they even then? They will probably play 2-3 more Finals. |
Like, does anyone not a lunkhead look at the Warriors' success and actually say "lolz they only have two finals appearances and one championship so far because they're a soft jumpshooting team?" |
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Charles is right. We have guys that can turn into really solid role players, but if he's referring to a great legendary player whose name will be mentioned among others in the most recent era like LeBron, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, then no we don't have anyone that will turn into that currently. My hope is that these guys will just continue to improve and hopefully we'll get a guy who is capable of being in that great player conversation.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | AllorNothing wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | sogood. wrote: | Same guy who said the Warriors can't win with their style of play.
Same guy who said the Knicks will make the playoffs last season.
Same guy who can't tell which team a player plays for which TNT has a actual segment making fun of him for it. |
To be fair the first point the only reason GS won was due to other teams having injury.. |
They went 73-9 last season and lost the championship by four points in game seven. |
They lost because Bogut got injured. |
Shhh...it doesn't fit the narrative. |
awww the cute narrative they lost cuz bogut was injured while ignoring they won with kyrie/love being injured. |
So are they even then? They will probably play 2-3 more Finals. |
They could have a 5 year series of playing each other in the finals every year if those teams stay healthy. It's a fun time to be an NBA fan with all the young talent and the rivalry of those two super teams. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ReaListik wrote: | | Charles is right. We have guys that can turn into really solid role players, but if he's referring to a great legendary player whose name will be mentioned among others in the most recent era like LeBron, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, then no we don't have anyone that will turn into that currently. My hope is that these guys will just continue to improve and hopefully we'll get a guy who is capable of being in that great player conversation. |
There is a significant gap of talent between "solid role player" and "legendary player" that can apply to our young guys and make them very good contributors for the Lakers.
They don't have to be a top ten player of all time.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Depends what he meant by great. If he meant Kobe or Shaq great then of course we don't have anyone near that talent level. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Fracture wrote: | | Depends what he meant by great. If he meant Kobe or Shaq great then of course we don't have anyone near that talent level. |
How many Kobes or Shaqs are in the league right now? How many future top ten of all time players are on the come up in the league right now? Let that sink in.
Top. Ten. Players. Of. All. Time.
Are the young players in the league who don't pass that test just destined to be solid role players?
No, it's possible to be a star without being Kobe or Shaq.
That's what I'm calling out.
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| Fracture wrote: | | Depends what he meant by great. If he meant Kobe or Shaq great then of course we don't have anyone near that talent level. |
That is what he means. He says we have a lot of guys who can become really good players, but the guys who really separate the good teams from the great are the ones you look at and just go, this kid is going to be special... and you can usually see that pretty early on. That's why people are high on KAT and Porzingis. Not that DLo isn't eventually going to become an all-star caliber player. Not that he's a bust, or he's not any good. But the projections for those other guys are limitless. DLo has a pretty visible ceiling, because you can point to a bunch of guys currently in the league right now who are really good but still not considered tops players in the league, and we're counting our blessings if he ever gets close to that level.
Right now Laker fans are just looking for any signs of talent to drag us out of the cellar. I do believe we have that, and I think most intelligent people around the league and media believe we have that as well. But what comes next? Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan are all stars, yet the Raptors don't have a prayer of winning the championship unless Lebron gets hit by a truck and Steph Curry loses his leg in a boating accident. The real James Harden most likely isn't getting back to the finals ever again unless the Warriors' team plane crashes. What's the ceiling for a guy who's "like that but not quite as good"?
Of course, there is always the Dumb and Dumber chance that we have guys that will break through their projected ceilings and become all-time greats and top players in the league. But at some point they're going to start showing signs before it happens, and that hasn't happened yet. Until they do, there's no reason for people who don't have an invested in the team, ala homers and fans, to get excited for them, because there are plenty of other teams in similar situations. |
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| awntawn wrote: | | Fracture wrote: | | Depends what he meant by great. If he meant Kobe or Shaq great then of course we don't have anyone near that talent level. |
That is what he means. He says we have a lot of guys who can become really good players, but the guys who really separate the good teams from the great are the ones you look at and just go, this kid is going to be special... and you can usually see that pretty early on. That's why people are high on KAT and Porzingis. Not that DLo isn't eventually going to become an all-star caliber player. Not that he's a bust, or he's not any good. But the projections for those other guys are limitless. DLo has a pretty visible ceiling, because you can point to a bunch of guys currently in the league right now who are really good but still not considered tops players in the league, and we're counting our blessings if he ever gets close to that level.
Right now Laker fans are just looking for any signs of talent to drag us out of the cellar. I do believe we have that, and I think most intelligent people around the league and media believe we have that as well. But what comes next? Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan are all stars, yet the Raptors don't have a prayer of winning the championship unless Lebron gets hit by a truck and Steph Curry loses his leg in a boating accident. The real James Harden most likely isn't getting back to the finals ever again unless the Warriors' team plane crashes. What's the ceiling for a guy who's "like that but not quite as good"?
Of course, there is always the Dumb and Dumber chance that we have guys that will break through their projected ceilings and become all-time greats and top players in the league. But at some point they're going to start showing signs before it happens, and that hasn't happened yet. Until they do, there's no reason for people who don't have an invested in the team, ala homers and fans, to get excited for them, because there are plenty of other teams in similar situations. |
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