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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:36 pm    Post subject: John Ireland said Bulls are shopping Butler

I would trade Ingram, Randle and Clarkson for him. I might even include Zubac.

Our starting line up would be:

PF-Nance
SF-Butler
C-Mozgov
PG-Russell
SG-Young

Our bench would be:

PF-Robinson
SF-Deng
C-Black
PG-Calderon
SG-Williams

Those 3-4 players are an awful lot to give up, but we really do need s star player and Butler is that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject:

Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject:

let the ridiculous packages for butler begin.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.


Any trade involving the Lakers and butler will likely need to include a 3rd team.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject:

Still?! Wow...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Russell and Butler could make quite an intimidating back court but I'm not in the gut the team to get a name camp just yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject:

If the Lakers actually got Butler... They're giving up the good stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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ocho wrote:
Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.


Any trade involving the Lakers and butler will likely need to include a 3rd team.


How do you figure?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject:

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let the ridiculous packages for butler begin.


yeah, I mean seriously. Why the heck would we get rid of pieces and get Butler when that just puts us in the exact same place the Bulls are trying to escape from.


There's a reason Butler is being shopped.

And no, I'm not [expletive] giving up Russell, Ingram, or Randle for him. That defeats the purpose of why you'd want him on this team.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Chicago will likely want Russell in any trade for Butler as they need a PG more than anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject:

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Chicago will likely want Russell in any trade for Butler as they need a PG more than anything.


If they're trading Butler they're blowing the whole thing up. In other words, they'd have a need at every position.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
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ocho wrote:
Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.


Any trade involving the Lakers and butler will likely need to include a 3rd team.


How do you figure?


Cause we won't be giving them enough value...

Maybe something like..

Randle + pieces to Clippers

Griffin + Ingram + Clarkson to Chicago

Butler to LA.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.


Any trade involving the Lakers and butler will likely need to include a 3rd team.


How do you figure?


Cause we won't be giving them enough value...

Maybe something like..

Randle + pieces to Clippers

Griffin + Ingram + Clarkson to Chicago

Butler to LA.


Oh so it's just your opinion. You have a wildly grandiose idea of what Chicago is going to get for Butler.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject:

I'd give up anything outside of Russell and Ingram. That probably doesn't get it done though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:57 pm    Post subject:

Would give up anyone besides Russell.

Ingram, Clarkson, and Lou for Butler in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.


Any trade involving the Lakers and butler will likely need to include a 3rd team.


How do you figure?


Cause we won't be giving them enough value...

Maybe something like..

Randle + pieces to Clippers

Griffin + Ingram + Clarkson to Chicago

Butler to LA.


Oh so it's just your opinion. You have a wildly grandiose idea of what Chicago is going to get for Butler.


It's a smart opinion cause we have no picks or any established players to entice them, even someone like Boston can offer more.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:59 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
let the ridiculous packages for butler begin.


yeah, I mean seriously. Why the heck would we get rid of pieces and get Butler when that just puts us in the exact same place the Bulls are trying to escape from.


There's a reason Butler is being shopped.

And no, I'm not [expletive] giving up Russell, Ingram, or Randle for him. That defeats the purpose of why you'd want him on this team.
Well, if we do the trade without giving up Russell, we would be pretty good.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:59 pm    Post subject:

Slash&Splash wrote:
I'd give up anything outside of Russell and Ingram. That probably doesn't get it done though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
ocho wrote:
Would def offer an Ingram/Clarkson package.


Any trade involving the Lakers and butler will likely need to include a 3rd team.


How do you figure?


Cause we won't be giving them enough value...

Maybe something like..

Randle + pieces to Clippers

Griffin + Ingram + Clarkson to Chicago

Butler to LA.


Oh so it's just your opinion. You have a wildly grandiose idea of what Chicago is going to get for Butler.


It's a smart opinion cause we have no picks or any established players to entice them, even someone like Boston can offer more.


Boston can offer more, but the appeal of their package won't be all of the "established players" they can offer. It'll be their picks. I'll reserve comment regarding how smart your opinion is.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:01 pm    Post subject:

scoobs wrote:
MJST wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
let the ridiculous packages for butler begin.


yeah, I mean seriously. Why the heck would we get rid of pieces and get Butler when that just puts us in the exact same place the Bulls are trying to escape from.


There's a reason Butler is being shopped.

And no, I'm not [expletive] giving up Russell, Ingram, or Randle for him. That defeats the purpose of why you'd want him on this team.
Well, if we do the trade without giving up Russell, we would be pretty good.


Not sure what alternative some people want. Never trade pieces for a star? Just waste away in the lottery every year? You accumulate assets for an opportunity to make a trade like this. I'm not convinced we have the package for him or that he's really available in the first place but we have an attractive package to offer that should be presented.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject:

Randle/Clarkson
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject:

scoobs wrote:
MJST wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
let the ridiculous packages for butler begin.


yeah, I mean seriously. Why the heck would we get rid of pieces and get Butler when that just puts us in the exact same place the Bulls are trying to escape from.


There's a reason Butler is being shopped.

And no, I'm not [expletive] giving up Russell, Ingram, or Randle for him. That defeats the purpose of why you'd want him on this team.
Well, if we do the trade without giving up Russell, we would be pretty good.


1) We're not

2) Giving up Randle and Ingram for Butler is too much.

Butler isn't exactly the piece that takes the Bulls over the top. Heck, if anything he's proving that he isn't the guy you want leading your team/face of the franchise IF you want to be a winning/playoff contending team.

He's Scottie Pippen, so we shouldn't be eager in any way to go get the guy and get rid of all our young talent to have this guy lead our team, when he's already shown that even in the East he isn't the guy that will lead your team anywhere.



Maybe in 2020 we can make a run at him, but other than that, no. Giving up Ingram, Russell or Randle for him is a NO.

Not unless you have other moves in place that are going to make you an instant finals contender, otherwise the trade would be pointless.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject:

Butler and Russell would be good corner stones for our team going forward. Lou and Young would likely be resigned, since they are our own free agents. Thats a lot of offense right there, not to mention Butler is a legit two-way player. Nance, Mozgov and Deng are solid role players.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject:

Slash&Splash wrote:
I'd give up anything outside of Russell and Ingram. That probably doesn't get it done though.


I wouldn't give up Randle also.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject:

Russell
Clarkson
Nance
Zubac

For Jimmy Butler
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