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Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else
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What if they just play the whole game? 
Not sure what to do. I posted a thread about the 3rd quarter woes too.
Seems to me that:
1. when we have a lead the other team adjusts at halftime.
2. we come out with guys who have no energy. Almost wish there was no halftime so we could just play through.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | What if they just play the whole game?
Not sure what to do. I posted a thread about the 3rd quarter woes too.
Seems to me that:
1. when we have a lead the other team adjusts at halftime.
2. we come out with guys who have no energy. Almost wish there was no halftime so we could just play through. |
I agree with Luke....a big lead is actually very small in a fast paced offensive minded NBA.....they see they are up 15 or 18, and feel like they are in control and begin to play with more of a "dont screw up" or "prevent" mentality. It is not that they choose to go there mentally, it just a natural instinct that will take time to overcome, and learn that an 18 point lead is the perfect time to put your foot on their throat and build a 25 point lead....kill the other teams will. #MambaMentality
As they say in football, the only thing a "prevent" defense or mentality is good for is to "prevent" the team employing it from winning. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | What if they just play the whole game?
Not sure what to do. I posted a thread about the 3rd quarter woes too.
Seems to me that:
1. when we have a lead the other team adjusts at halftime.
2. we come out with guys who have no energy. Almost wish there was no halftime so we could just play through. |
I agree with Luke....a big lead is actually very small in a fast paced offensive minded NBA.....they see they are up 15 or 18, and feel like they are in control and begin to play with more of a "dont screw up" or "prevent" mentality. It is not that they choose to go there mentally, it just a natural instinct that will take time to overcome, and learn that an 18 point lead is the perfect time to put your foot on their throat and build a 25 point lead....kill the other teams will. #MambaMentality
As they say in football, the only thing a "prevent" defense or mentality is good for is to "prevent" the team employing it from winning. |
On the one hand, the fact we are a good first half team is a good sign.
Obviously the next step is figuring out how to surmount these terrible 3rd quarters.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
I'm ok with this, I think our bench can hold their own against just about any other teams starters...!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
I'm ok with this, I think our bench can hold their own against just about any other teams starters...! |
Not sure about that. What happens if the bench comes out flat, then what does Luke have in his pocket to counter? The starters?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
I'm ok with this, I think our bench can hold their own against just about any other teams starters...! |
Not sure about that. What happens if the bench comes out flat, then what does Luke have in his pocket to counter? The starters? |
Well, most of the Bench has started games before and they are ALL high energy players who may disrupt the other Teams starters...! So the likelihood if them coming out flat should not be an issue...
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| Our bench is inferior to starters. Unlikely we were gonna win. Our 3 best players are under 22. We have seen a ton of growth in them lately. Trade to get a rim protector. We have movable assets. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
I'm ok with this, I think our bench can hold their own against just about any other teams starters...! |
Not sure about that. What happens if the bench comes out flat, then what does Luke have in his pocket to counter? The starters? |
Well, most of the Bench has started games before and they are ALL high energy players who may disrupt the other Teams starters...! So the likelihood if them coming out flat should not be an issue... |
Again, I think it's b/c they're coming off the bench that they are a more useful weapon. Lou/JC/Ingram as a starter hasn't exactly blown anyone's socks off this year. But off the bench they have killed it.
And by blowing the bench wad so to speak, you neuter a chance to use the bench to make a comeback.
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I disagree. We need to learn how not to have the woes, not gameplan around it.
What's weird to me, is weren't we falling behind in the first half early in the season and making our comebacks second half? And suddenly it's the opposite? |
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| ringfinger wrote: | I disagree. We need to learn how not to have the woes, not gameplan around it.
What's weird to me, is weren't we falling behind in the first half early in the season and making our comebacks second half? And suddenly it's the opposite? |
Yeah. Agree with this. Have to teach the starters how to overcome this, not simply avoid fixing this problem.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I disagree. We need to learn how not to have the woes, not gameplan around it.
What's weird to me, is weren't we falling behind in the first half early in the season and making our comebacks second half? And suddenly it's the opposite? |
Yeah. Agree with this. Have to teach the starters how to overcome this, not simply avoid fixing this problem. |
Agree.
Starting the bench is not the solution.
It is mental.
Players need to raise their intensity and take control in the 3rd quarter.
Losing team will play with more intensity and energy since the game is half way over.
The team needs to respond by playing with more intensity too. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I disagree. We need to learn how not to have the woes, not gameplan around it.
What's weird to me, is weren't we falling behind in the first half early in the season and making our comebacks second half? And suddenly it's the opposite? |
Yeah. Agree with this. Have to teach the starters how to overcome this, not simply avoid fixing this problem. |
This season has no purpose other than accomplishing exactly this.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | I disagree. We need to learn how not to have the woes, not gameplan around it.
What's weird to me, is weren't we falling behind in the first half early in the season and making our comebacks second half? And suddenly it's the opposite? |
Yeah. Agree with this. Have to teach the starters how to overcome this, not simply avoid fixing this problem. |
Exactly, how are they supposed to fix something if they get no chance to fix it?
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When I was in college in Philly during Allen Iverson's reign, it was local legend that Iverson once bought a new Bentley instead of having his old one get an oil change.
Replacing the entire starting lineup with the bench unit would be akin to that.
Just go through the process of getting an oil change first. 
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| Honestly I think they're just kids. I know that's no excuse but I think that's the explanation here. Still learning how to win and that it takes consistency, effort and work for a full 48min to win. These kids still haven't fully internalized Luke's concepts and how to win, so naturally they let up when it gets to a point where they feel comfortable. Enough of these 3rd quarter droughts will Brand it in their minds that they need to stick with the winning game plan. I remember early on when we were .500 some of the guys looked almost cocky during the game. Like we got this. And I kept thinking lol u guys have been doing this for 20games ur not at the point where u can coast it. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
Or, start the best defenders. Last night we saw something different than normal in that Ingram started, and still, no punch for the 3rd quarter. They just can't shoot in the 3rd. So it's about the defense. What's bad is the culmination of not making buckets while letting the opponents get on fire.
How about this, a better idea would be just to keep your half-time prep on the court? Don't even freaking walk to the locker room. Just stay out there. Run drills, run laps, etc. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
Or, start the best defenders. Last night we saw something different than normal in that Ingram started, and still, no punch for the 3rd quarter. They just can't shoot in the 3rd. So it's about the defense. What's bad is the culmination of not making buckets while letting the opponents get on fire.
How about this, a better idea would be just to keep your half-time prep on the court? Don't even freaking walk to the locker room. Just stay out there. Run drills, run laps, etc. |
Seriously.
Half time show is going on, and Luke and the Lakers sitting on the bench and keeping warm. Would love to see that!
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| They should try something different but we know Luke isn't going to change his rotations unless the front office steps in. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
Or, start the best defenders. Last night we saw something different than normal in that Ingram started, and still, no punch for the 3rd quarter. They just can't shoot in the 3rd. So it's about the defense. What's bad is the culmination of not making buckets while letting the opponents get on fire.
How about this, a better idea would be just to keep your half-time prep on the court? Don't even freaking walk to the locker room. Just stay out there. Run drills, run laps, etc. |
Seriously.
Half time show is going on, and Luke and the Lakers sitting on the bench and keeping warm. Would love to see that! |
Join the activities. I'm serious. Get out there and throw t-shirts into the crowd. It will keep their joints warm. Do acrobatic flips, stack chairs, etc.
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And we know the front office won't step in.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy idea for third quarter slumps |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | Start the bench in the third. The opponents will have made adjustments based on starters, who won't be there.
Wait and see approach by walton isn't working right now. Time to try something else |
Or, start the best defenders. Last night we saw something different than normal in that Ingram started, and still, no punch for the 3rd quarter. They just can't shoot in the 3rd. So it's about the defense. What's bad is the culmination of not making buckets while letting the opponents get on fire.
How about this, a better idea would be just to keep your half-time prep on the court? Don't even freaking walk to the locker room. Just stay out there. Run drills, run laps, etc. |
Seriously.
Half time show is going on, and Luke and the Lakers sitting on the bench and keeping warm. Would love to see that! |
Join the activities. I'm serious. Get out there and throw t-shirts into the crowd. It will keep their joints warm. Do acrobatic flips, stack chairs, etc. |
It's like the team goes into the lockerroom and passes around a joint or something. Maybe they take a 10 minute nap.
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