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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:38 pm Post subject: Report: LeBron James increasingly frustrated with how he's officiated |
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The jokes write themselves
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/nba-officials-mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-influence-letter/
Quote: | Report: LeBron James increasingly frustrated with how he’s officiated
LeBron James is difficult to officiate.
He’s stronger and faster than his opponents, so he both initiates and receives more contact than most players. He’s this era’s Shaquille O’Neal, who dealt with similar issues.
Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue said during the Finals that referees haven’t found the right balance – and apparently LeBron agrees.
Dave McMenamin of ESPN:
Cavaliers superstar LeBron James has become increasingly frustrated with the way he has been officiated this season, multiple team sources told ESPN following Cleveland’s 100-92 loss to the Utah Jazz on Tuesday.
Much of James’ detest comes from the fact that the vast majority of his shots come from within the paint — as 12 of his 20 did on Tuesday — yet, according to multiple sources, he feels contact is ignored, whereas players who thrive more on jump shots than drives have been rewarded with big nights at the line.
Add it up and there is a perception by James, according to multiple sources, that he doesn’t get officiated the same way as many of his All-NBA-level peers.
This leak is LeBron, or someone on his behalf, lobbying for a more favorable whistle. Will it work? He does have outsized influence on the league.
By the way, the call that had reportedly LeBron particularly irate came when he heard Jazz coach Quin Snyder call for Shelvin Mack to intentionally foul LeBron – and it still got no call:
Uncalled intentional fouls are not unique to LeBron, and they expose a deficiency in the entire system. Referees can’t see everything on the court. Perhaps, larger officiating crews would help. Leveraging technology to call things like three-second violations and out of bounds could also free human referees to watch for more discretionary calls. But when players aren’t always whistled when intentionally hacking, something is wrong. |
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lakez34 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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If it makes him feel better, all NBA fans are increasingly frustrated with how he's officiated as well. |
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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Lebron is routinely allowed to get away with traveling and committing blatant fouls, and he complains the the refs are unfair to him? What a spoiled brat. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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lakez34 wrote: | If it makes him feel better, all NBA fans are increasingly frustrated with how he's officiated as well. | |
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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It helped though, didn't he go to the free throw line a lot the game after this complaint. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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24ways2die wrote: | It helped though, didn't he go to the free throw line a lot the game after this complaint. |
goat crybaby |
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Is he mad about how they let him travel and stiff arm people all the time? |
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Reading last two minute reports, the nba doesn't call contact for the sake of contact, else you'd have fouls on nearly every play.
They use what they call RSBQ (Rhythm, speed, balance, quickness), ie the contact has to be non legal and it has to affect you. Lebron cops a lot of contact that doesn't seem like it affects him. Although this in itself is probably responsible for players exaggerating contact. _________________ I believe everything the media tells me except for anything for which I have direct personal knowledge, which they always get wrong |
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Lebron is a lightning rod around here, so I'll leave that alone. Nonetheless, I sort of agree with the other side of what he's saying. There is too much ticky tacky stuff getting called on the perimeter for my taste. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Shaq had the same complaints, when you are a tank the officials expect contact and only react if they think it is excessive. If another player had taken the pounding that Shaq or Lebron took/take, they would live at the FT line. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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BadGuy Star Player
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isn't this the same guy who has less than 15 technical fouls and has never been ejected in his entire career? meanwhile, he cries after every play about contact while trying to bulldoze his way with his elbows and shoulders through other players (often, while traveling). |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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(bleep) you, LeBron. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Shaq had the same complaints, when you are a tank the officials expect contact and only react if they think it is excessive. If another player had taken the pounding that Shaq or Lebron took/take, they would live at the FT line. |
While there's truth to this coming from LeBron of all people is just laughable to me (and a lot of people) |
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Shaq was pissed because defenders were flopping all over the place and he was fouling out of games due to egregious offensive foul calls.
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Then retire Lebrons _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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Just when you thought you couldn't dislike him more than you already do. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Lebron is a lightning rod around here, so I'll leave that alone. Nonetheless, I sort of agree with the other side of what he's saying. There is too much ticky tacky stuff getting called on the perimeter for my taste. |
Quite reasonable. But he's the last person who should be complaining about officiating. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:46 am Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | Just when you thought you couldn't dislike him more than you already do. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:54 am Post subject: |
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In the 2016 finals through 6 games, LeBron & Kyrie combined for 149 drives and 62 free throw attempts. In those same 6 games Steph & Klay combined for 69 drives and 55 free throw attempts.
But it's rigged for LeBron though!!! |
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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If any complaining is warranted it should be the players doing it because LeBron is a bigger flopper than Manu Ginobili. I just watched Draymond Green get a flagrant 1 on a flop. He should get a Oscar for his acting. The league reviews flagrant's. I wouldn't be surprised if this one isn't rescinded. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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LBJ is one of the most underrated floppers of all time. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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24ways2die wrote: | LBJ is one of the most underrated floppers of all time. |
I think it was 2013 or 2014 but that year the miami team was on another level flopping wise _________________ Kobe |
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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ClemensBriels wrote: | In the 2016 finals through 6 games, LeBron & Kyrie combined for 149 drives and 62 free throw attempts. In those same 6 games Steph & Klay combined for 69 drives and 55 free throw attempts.
But it's rigged for LeBron though!!! |
being fair is not about giving each team the same number of free throws. these numbers dont say anything about the type of contact resulting in the free throws, which is where all of the importance lies. |
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