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BigGameHames
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| I'm ready for the next podcast about firing Mitch 2 days before the deadline. If GT was that heated about DLO, I can't wait to hear how he feels about this move |
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Big Game James
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Big Game James wrote: | I've searched for the Lakers Film Room podcast a few weeks ago, and never could find it (on Pocket Cast). Today I just figured out why I couldn't find it! The team name is misspelled! Major faux pas! You should consider fixing that.
It's Lakers not Laker.  |
Really? I had no idea. |
It's not like it's on the jersey or anything.
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danzag
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Extraodinarely BAD day to be a Lakers fan.
I'll give it a read. Thanks as always, GT. |
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44TheLogo
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pretty much mirrors my thoughts on the johnson pelinka west triumvirate |
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Big Game James
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | The three conclusions that seem most logical, either individually or in some combination, are:
1) The DeMarcus Cousins’ trade and the Lakers’ inability to acquire him was the final straw that led to Jim & Mitch’s death knell... |
When the Jim & Mitch news first broke, I wondered about this. I assume this is speculative by the way you worded it. But for me personally, I am very happy that we didn't give up Ingram or Russell for Cousins. I hate his attitude and on court antics so much. The baggage with him is gigantic. So the fact that Ingram was a deal breaker was a good thing when I heard about it.
So I wondered if:
1) Mitch and Jim were moving to do it but Magic stepped in and put a stop to it?
2) Or, as you put it, were Mitch and Jim incapable of completing this trade and that was the final straw to send those two packing?
As someone who is happy the trade did not go through, I am hoping that it was the first option as this would help me feel more relieved over Magic's new position within the organization. If it were the second option, then my fears hold more credibility!
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| Big Game James wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The three conclusions that seem most logical, either individually or in some combination, are:
1) The DeMarcus Cousins’ trade and the Lakers’ inability to acquire him was the final straw that led to Jim & Mitch’s death knell... |
When the Jim & Mitch news first broke, I wondered about this. I assume this is speculative by the way you worded it. But for me personally, I am very happy that we didn't give up Ingram or Russell for Cousins. I hate his attitude and on court antics so much. The baggage with him is gigantic. So the fact that Ingram was a deal breaker was a good thing when I heard about it.
So I wondered if:
1) Mitch and Jim were moving to do it but Magic stepped in and put a stop to it?
2) Or, as you put it, were Mitch and Jim incapable of completing this trade and that was the final straw to send those two packing?
As someone who is happy the trade did not go through, I am hoping that it was the first option as this would help me feel more relieved over Magic's new position within the organization. If it were the second option, then my fears hold more credibility! |
or C) the ROI wasnt there so you dont do the deal. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Game James wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The three conclusions that seem most logical, either individually or in some combination, are:
1) The DeMarcus Cousins’ trade and the Lakers’ inability to acquire him was the final straw that led to Jim & Mitch’s death knell... |
When the Jim & Mitch news first broke, I wondered about this. I assume this is speculative by the way you worded it. But for me personally, I am very happy that we didn't give up Ingram or Russell for Cousins. I hate his attitude and on court antics so much. The baggage with him is gigantic. So the fact that Ingram was a deal breaker was a good thing when I heard about it.
So I wondered if:
1) Mitch and Jim were moving to do it but Magic stepped in and put a stop to it?
2) Or, as you put it, were Mitch and Jim incapable of completing this trade and that was the final straw to send those two packing?
As someone who is happy the trade did not go through, I am hoping that it was the first option as this would help me feel more relieved over Magic's new position within the organization. If it were the second option, then my fears hold more credibility! |
I'm also happy that the deal didn't go through, but that doesn't mean that Magic & Jeanie were.
Magic has said that he didn't have any communication w/Jim & Mitch regarding Cousins. Maybe he's lying, but I don't think so. Jim & Mitch kept things close to the vest, even within the organization, which was actually part of the problem. Jeanie & her people were always left in the dark regarding what b-ball ops were doing. |
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| Awesome stuff GT |
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Great Job Once Again
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| Corey Brewer? and an unprotected pick? why?........Earvin better bring something big now that the bench is -14 per game. |
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numero-ocho
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| Big Game James wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | The three conclusions that seem most logical, either individually or in some combination, are:
1) The DeMarcus Cousins’ trade and the Lakers’ inability to acquire him was the final straw that led to Jim & Mitch’s death knell... |
When the Jim & Mitch news first broke, I wondered about this. I assume this is speculative by the way you worded it. But for me personally, I am very happy that we didn't give up Ingram or Russell for Cousins. I hate his attitude and on court antics so much. The baggage with him is gigantic. So the fact that Ingram was a deal breaker was a good thing when I heard about it.
So I wondered if:
1) Mitch and Jim were moving to do it but Magic stepped in and put a stop to it?
2) Or, as you put it, were Mitch and Jim incapable of completing this trade and that was the final straw to send those two packing?
As someone who is happy the trade did not go through, I am hoping that it was the first option as this would help me feel more relieved over Magic's new position within the organization. If it were the second option, then my fears hold more credibility! |
Another possible explanation is Mitch and Jim were trying to pull off a trade without consulting him and he got P.O.d when he found out through the media like the rest of us.
I find it difficult to believe their fate wasn't already sealed regardless of the Boogie deal. They just didn't just call up Pelinka today and offer him the GM job. They may have pressed him for an answer but talks were probably going on soon after Magic was hired.
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Great article. Very thought provoking. I personally think that this was inevitable. The Dengov signing seemed like capitulation after years of striking out in free agency. In my mind there was really no way to explain that. Apologists. Hater. In the middle. Universally accepted as a horrible move. And no matter what that misstep at such a huge contract level could have always and is pointed to as a huge reason they were fired.
It was just so uncharacteristic of the way Mitch has meticulously managed cap space. That move locked them into the bottom / middle of league as long as they are still on the books. And to be honest Mitch is the fall guy here. Buss at the end of the day is still an owner.
Truth be told I honestly don't think it matters who is heading the franchise. And I honestly don't care about the internal buss power struggle. At this point their only hope is striking lotto gold. This year especially with 2 on the line in this lotto. Underneath the headlines of a change in general manager is the sobering truth that they still have no veterans in the long term plan and the very real possibility of having a single lotto pick for the rest of the decade if they lose this years pick. If the lotto balls don't go our way, it's really time to accept reality. There really isn't any prospect of excitement.
To me that means I'm out as a season ticket holder. No renewals. And if I'm here at this point I'm sure so are many other laker fans. Watch the bids fade as people realize they can probably sit in better seats in blocks at half the price. I really can't see anything that magic or pelinka or whoever can honestly do other than root for the tankathon like the rest of us. |
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IMO West is gone. He apparently turned down the Sac GM position to stay with the Lakers and be in line to inherit the GM position when Mitch stepped down. Now his mentor is dumped and there is a new guy in line in front of him to wait out. I think if someone offers him a GM spot this off season he will take it without hesitation.
Luke 8s also on the hot seat he has a year maybe a year and a half and if he doesn't have the team in the playoffs he's gone too. |
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Ujah's Goat
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Liked it. Good summation of theories on this. Even keeled, not panicked. |
Yup. Thanks GT! |
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A Mad Chinaman
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Informative and fascinating article
Magic's reputation is on the line
Ryan West's role in this new regime will strategic since he will be reporting to Pelinka.
As stated on the Mason and Ireland show, all the GMs will be testing Magic till the end of trade deadline - though other opportunities will exist before the Waiver Deadline and what players will be bought out
The young players have been alerted - get better or get lost (especially after the last embarrassing loss
Magic thinks that JC can be a lockdown defender. Interesting assessment considering Magic's last tweets on which players he likes
If Magic believes that DLO has the Floor General mentality . . . This talented player is seeming more suited as a combo guard
What can Magic received in return for Mosgov and Deng?
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Hopefully it will be Magic Time! |
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| Really loving your new site man worth a read and lots of good information about the lakers |
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nash
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Well done GT
I don't have a clue if the new front office will succeed, but we needed to make something because it is clear we weren't going anywhere |
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| Hope the John Black ouster doesn't affect LFR's ability to get a media credential (if you guys haven't gotten it already). |
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GT, I appreciate your comments...
do you have access to yesterday's login head count? Just out of curiosity, I wonder how the activity level of the front office events compares to past big activity days (i.e. Lakers winning the championship, Kobe's 60 pt game, etc.). I assume there was a big spike in activity, but was it truly a big day? |
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| misterioso wrote: | GT, I appreciate your comments...
do you have access to yesterday's login head count? Just out of curiosity, I wonder how the activity level of the front office events compares to past big activity days (i.e. Lakers winning the championship, Kobe's 60 pt game, etc.). I assume there was a big spike in activity, but was it truly a big day? |
On LG? No, I don't. DB or Exick would be the guys to ask about that. |
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Excellent synopsis!
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | misterioso wrote: | GT, I appreciate your comments...
do you have access to yesterday's login head count? Just out of curiosity, I wonder how the activity level of the front office events compares to past big activity days (i.e. Lakers winning the championship, Kobe's 60 pt game, etc.). I assume there was a big spike in activity, but was it truly a big day? |
On LG? No, I don't. DB or Exick would be the guys to ask about that. |
It was about half our biggest day. But still got up to the usual "high" level when something big happens. Of course, right now the server is acting flaky.  |
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