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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:02 pm    Post subject:

Interesting stuff. It's pretty clear to me that:

1. The lakers saw issues with DLO off court (teammate, keeps to himself, etc.)
2. They want to play fast/Luke system and Lonzo fits that better.
3. They just don't see DLO as a SG for whatever reason.

Tbh, both parties are at fault. The lakers didn't have the right culture/environment and that created issues that were exacerbated by DLO and his personality. I do think DLO will get it together in Brooklyn. He will learn from his mistakes and I'm sure the lakers know their own mistakes from culture/environment perspective and are working to rectify that.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
Interesting stuff. t's pretty clear to me that:

1. The lakers saw issues with DLO off court (teammate, keeps to himself, etc.)
2. They want to play fast/Luke system and Lonzo fits that better.
3. They just don't see DLO as a SG for whatever reason.

Tbh, both parties are at fault. The lakers didn't have the right culture/environment and that created issues that were exacerbated by DLO and his personality. I do think DLO will get it together in Brooklyn. He will learn from his mistakes and I'm sure the lakers know their own mistakes from culture/environment perspective and are working to rectify that.


Solid analysis. But I don't think the Lakers think they were at fault with his development when you listen to how Tania talks about the front office's feelings on the trade. They didn't think he was cutting it and were looking to trade him, full stop
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject:

GT. Great surprise interview with Tania! She's so good at what she does and I can listen to her talk for hours, especially about the Lakers. Don't know why other Lakers shows haven't had her on yet. I'm only halfway through and you guys had all the right questions so far.

The Russell & Ingram question were gold and it's good to know her answers coincided with my assumptions, especially about DLO.

And great job on the Kuzma video. Keep up the great work!

Also, do you ever feel opposing teams will watch your videos and try and use them against the Lakers, or as for Ball, try and draft him before the Lakers could? Or are your videos everything the NBA already knows, but you're just presenting them to the masses for us to process?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Interesting stuff. t's pretty clear to me that:

1. The lakers saw issues with DLO off court (teammate, keeps to himself, etc.)
2. They want to play fast/Luke system and Lonzo fits that better.
3. They just don't see DLO as a SG for whatever reason.

Tbh, both parties are at fault. The lakers didn't have the right culture/environment and that created issues that were exacerbated by DLO and his personality. I do think DLO will get it together in Brooklyn. He will learn from his mistakes and I'm sure the lakers know their own mistakes from culture/environment perspective and are working to rectify that.


Solid analysis. But I don't think the Lakers think they were at fault with his development when you listen to how Tania talks about the front office's feelings on the trade. They didn't think he was cutting it and were looking to trade him, full stop


Could be and I don't think they will ever admit their mistakes even if they realize them privately.

I tend to agree with Darius (I think it was him if I'm remembering right) who proposed the idea that the lakers were looking for reasons not to trade him but ultimately it wasn't enough. I do think they saw him as a talented player but just wasn't going to work out in LA. Tania did seem to think that the kid just needed a change of scenery.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
Interesting stuff. It's pretty clear to me that:

1. The lakers saw issues with DLO off court (teammate, keeps to himself, etc.)
2. They want to play fast/Luke system and Lonzo fits that better.
3. They just don't see DLO as a SG for whatever reason.

Tbh, both parties are at fault. The lakers didn't have the right culture/environment and that created issues that were exacerbated by DLO and his personality. I do think DLO will get it together in Brooklyn. He will learn from his mistakes and I'm sure the lakers know their own mistakes from culture/environment perspective and are working to rectify that.


Perfectly said.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
GT. Great surprise interview with Tania! She's so good at what she does and I can listen to her talk for hours, especially about the Lakers. Don't know why other Lakers shows haven't had her on yet. I'm only halfway through and you guys had all the right questions so far.

The Russell & Ingram question were gold and it's good to know her answers coincided with my assumptions, especially about DLO.

And great job on the Kuzma video. Keep up the great work!

Also, do you ever feel opposing teams will watch your videos and try and use them against the Lakers, or as for Ball, try and draft him before the Lakers could? Or are your videos everything the NBA already knows, but you're just presenting them to the masses for us to process?


Yeah, man...Tania is great. We talked a bit during the regular season as she was doing research on different articles. No, NBA teams don't need to watch my videos as they have guys way better and more specific to what they need than me, but I've been told by several media members that my vids help them do their job better, which is really cool.

That's partially why we've been able to get a pretty solid list of guests, considering we only started this in January. I've built relationships with several of them over the course of the year and they're happy to come on, plus Darius has some existing relationships as well. Hoping to get Mike Trudell on soon, but his ESPN & Lakers contracts may not let him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Interesting stuff. It's pretty clear to me that:

1. The lakers saw issues with DLO off court (teammate, keeps to himself, etc.)
2. They want to play fast/Luke system and Lonzo fits that better.
3. They just don't see DLO as a SG for whatever reason.

Tbh, both parties are at fault. The lakers didn't have the right culture/environment and that created issues that were exacerbated by DLO and his personality. I do think DLO will get it together in Brooklyn. He will learn from his mistakes and I'm sure the lakers know their own mistakes from culture/environment perspective and are working to rectify that.


Perfectly said.


Excellent job and keep up the great work. Darius and you have one of the best podcasts. As someone has also mentioned, the new graphics on the player breakdown videos are nice.

If you are right about Ingram, the lakers should offer you a scouting job. At a minimum, video coordinator/video jockey j/k on jockey. Seriously, well done, you keep killing it and I see it from all the views, etc. on social media.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:06 am    Post subject:

Great stuff GT. Big fan of all your work and it is seriously awesome to see how far you've come. You've built up quite the following with interesting and informational content

The stuff about DLo came as a surprise for me. The trade is in the past and I am now looking toward the upcoming season, but was a little taken aback they were looking to move him regardless. Glad it was at least a deal that took out the Mozgov salary in the process.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:18 am    Post subject:

amazing po GT...wonderful insight...seens tania is incredibly well connected to the current regime...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject:

She was great. I was surprised how candid she was with some of the FO stuff and DLo stuff.

Great podcast, GT.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject:

Hate to rehash this, but I cannot buy when Tania says Jeanie brought in Magic to be a liaison between her and the front office. She thought his past relationship with Mitch would allow for Mitch to trust Magic and keep him in the loop.

That is absolute bull. Magic was on First Take and every other ESPN show saying I obviously want to run the Lakers and I want to be president.

He was openly saying he wants their job

On the Russell stuff, it was interesting to hear that the Lakers have been wanting to move on for months. I kind of agreed with Darius that the Lakers had their minds made up on him and were basically looking for reasons to keep him rather than the other way around. Plus, he didn't fit in with their ultimate plan of LBJ + PG.

I also didn't get the toughen him up thing. I wish you would've asked did he do something prior to the benching to get him benched, because the toughen him up thing just sounds PC and actually doesn't make much sense. Why would anyone be cool with being benched not based on merit, but to get "toughed up." There was definitely something else.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the kind words, guys. Tania was great...way more candid than I expected, and this whole thing has been a pretty wild ride.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:00 am    Post subject:

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Hate to rehash this, but I cannot buy when Tania says Jeanie brought in Magic to be a liaison between her and the front office. She thought his past relationship with Mitch would allow for Mitch to trust Magic and keep him in the loop.

That is absolute bull. Magic was on First Take and every other ESPN show saying I obviously want to run the Lakers and I want to be president.

He was openly saying he wants their job

On the Russell stuff, it was interesting to hear that the Lakers have been wanting to move on for months. I kind of agreed with Darius that the Lakers had their minds made up on him and were basically looking for reasons to keep him rather than the other way around. Plus, he didn't fit in with their ultimate plan of LBJ + PG.

I also didn't get the toughen him up thing. I wish you would've asked did he do something prior to the benching to get him benched, because the toughen him up thing just sounds PC and actually doesn't make much sense. Why would anyone be cool with being benched not based on merit, but to get "toughed up." There was definitely something else.


Honestly, the Russell discussion wasn't planned, so I was just thinking on the fly as best as I could. As soon as she said (paraphrasing) "they were looking to move Russell for a while and the fact that they found a taker for Mozgov's contract was a bonus" made me be like....wait, what?!?! So we went down that road as best as we could on the fly, and probably missed a couple of questions along the way.

I felt like it provided me some closure on the deal though. Even if I REALLY disagreed with some components of it (they didn't consider playing them together?!?!?), I feel like I have a good idea of what happened now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject:

GT, are you planning on doing podcasts throughout the offseason? I can't imagine there will be much to talk about b/w now and training camp
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject:

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GT, are you planning on doing podcasts throughout the offseason? I can't imagine there will be much to talk about b/w now and training camp


I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I think it's gonna depend on whether or not we can get a guest. I'm gonna try to get Gunnar Peterson, Drew Hanlen, or someone of that ilk on to shed some light on the player's offseason regiments, but I'm not optimistic about the ability to pull it off.

Darius & I are very much kindred spirits in that we aren't gonna create content simply for the sake of views/listens. (although we totally want them!) So if there isn't anything that we think is interesting to talk about, we probably just won't do a show.

Strictly from a branding perspective, I want people to associate anything that has the LFR name attached to it with the thought "this is gonna be good". Sometimes we'll fall short of that, but I want people to really feel like that's what we're striving for, and sometimes that means not doing something just because you can.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject:

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AY2043 wrote:
GT, are you planning on doing podcasts throughout the offseason? I can't imagine there will be much to talk about b/w now and training camp


I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I think it's gonna depend on whether or not we can get a guest. I'm gonna try to get Gunnar Peterson, Drew Hanlen, or someone of that ilk on to shed some light on the player's offseason regiments, but I'm not optimistic about the ability to pull it off.

Darius & I are very much kindred spirits in that we aren't gonna create content simply for the sake of views/listens. (although we totally want them!) So if there isn't anything that we think is interesting to talk about, we probably just won't do a show.

Strictly from a branding perspective, I want people to associate anything that has the LFR name attached to it with the thought "this is gonna be good". Sometimes we'll fall short of that, but I want people to really feel like that's what we're striving for, and sometimes that means not doing something just because you can.


GT u should look into trademarking the "team name + Film Room" branding and making a "NBA Film Room" network of blogs/analysts. I think there's already some wannabes ripping off the name (https://twitter.com/sunsfilm)

could be worth a pitch as a "new media/sports journalism" startup venture or something
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
GT u should look into trademarking the "team name + Film Room" branding and making a "NBA Film Room" network of blogs/analysts. I think there's already some wannabes ripping off the name (https://twitter.com/sunsfilm)

could be worth a pitch as a "new media/sports journalism" startup venture or something


Eh, I don't really want to start a network, nor do I think I can reasonably argue that I should have a copyright over an NBA teams' name + "film room". If what I do inspires other people to cover their team in a similar way or if they coincidentally came up with the idea independent of me, that's great.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject:

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44TheLogo wrote:
GT u should look into trademarking the "team name + Film Room" branding and making a "NBA Film Room" network of blogs/analysts. I think there's already some wannabes ripping off the name (https://twitter.com/sunsfilm)

could be worth a pitch as a "new media/sports journalism" startup venture or something


Eh, I don't really want to start a network, nor do I think I can reasonably argue that I should have a copyright over an NBA teams' name + "film room". If what I do inspires other people to cover their team in a similar way or if they coincidentally came up with the idea independent of me, that's great.


but...but...$! haha

keep doin ya thing GT
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject:

I was right there with you GT when she was talking about the FO believing Ingram is the only untouchable. Just waiting for her to add "Lonzo is untouchable too now." I was just thinking, "Say it. Say it."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject:

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Thanks for the kind words, guys. Tania was great...way more candid than I expected, and this whole thing has been a pretty wild ride.


Yeah man, she was fantastic. Like you said, more candid than expected and provided genuine insight with the inner workings.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:47 am    Post subject:

One thing I didn't get from DLo transaction according to Tania. She said the FO had been trying to move him for a while, for all the problems she mentions. But she also says what put the negotiations in motion was the draft lottery, as we could surely get a good PG at #2 (Fultz, Ball or Fox). It wasn't clear if the lottery was the reason they decided to move DLo or it just precipitated things.

Not that it would change the final result...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:18 am    Post subject:

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One thing I didn't get from DLo transaction according to Tania. She said the FO had been trying to move him for a while, for all the problems she mentions. But she also says what put the negotiations in motion was the draft lottery, as we could surely get a good PG at #2 (Fultz, Ball or Fox). It wasn't clear if the lottery was the reason they decided to move DLo or it just precipitated things.

Not that it would change the final result...



I think she was talking about the Jim and Mitch regime too. Let's not forget that they tried to trade Russell and Clarkson for DeMarcus Cousins, back in February. That was an attempt to save their jobs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject:

Very good guest this week. Some good insights into the F.O., and Buss fam dynamic

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
Interesting stuff. It's pretty clear to me that:

1. The lakers saw issues with DLO off court (teammate, keeps to himself, etc.)
2. They want to play fast/Luke system and Lonzo fits that better.
3. They just don't see DLO as a SG for whatever reason.

Tbh, both parties are at fault. The lakers didn't have the right culture/environment and that created issues that were exacerbated by DLO and his personality. I do think DLO will get it together in Brooklyn. He will learn from his mistakes and I'm sure the lakers know their own mistakes from culture/environment perspective and are working to rectify that.


Its about defense. if DLO stayed to play SG, the backcourt would be a porous. He needs to play with a good defender in the backcourt. KCP provides that for Ball
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