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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject: Arrogant and/or diva players who aren't even good?
Which players are arrogant and/or cause lockerroom drama despite not actually being that good? I think the GOAT in this category is Smush Parker. D-League level player who thought he was Kobe.
Others: Rose and Rondo (though both were actually good pre-injury), Brian Scalabrine, J.R. Smith, Kendrick Perkins, DeAndre Jordan (wanting the offense to run through him), Matt Barnes, post-Orlando Dwight. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
But it can be situational or change. For example, Metta World Peace would drink cognac at halftime and get into skirmishes early in his career, but became an elder statesman later on.
Dennis Rodman was seen as a cancer on some teams (Spurs, Lakers) and a delightful eccentric on others (Bulls, Pistons).
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:38 pm Post subject:
BadGuy wrote:
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
BadGuy wrote:
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
Kwame was also a pretty solid defender. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:01 pm Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
BadGuy wrote:
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
Kwame was also a pretty solid defender.
Kwame's problem is, he has Trump hands. I don't think he can palm a basketball. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
Kwame was also a pretty solid defender.
I know some people think that, but I've never seen the basis for that opinion: he was a weak defensive rebounder, poor shot blocker, and his defensive metrics are really weak -- opponents shot a tremendous percentage against him in the post, for example. I think one year he was 250th in the league in that stat.
In the years Kwame played his most minutes, his teams usually ranked near the bottom of the league in defense. That's not all on him, of course, but it sure doesn't support the notion that he could be the backbone of a strong defense.
My take is some people just said he was a good defender to try to justify there was something good about him. Metrics aren't everything, but at his best his defensive metrics didn't come close to Perkin's.
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
Kwame was also a pretty solid defender.
Kwame's problem is, he has Trump hands. I don't think he can palm a basketball.
I'd say his primary problem was lack of confidence and lack of desire. He had tremendous athletic ability, but he folded up pretty quickly whenever challenged. Some people blame Jordan for that, but I think it goes deeper.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:42 am Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
jodeke wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
BadGuy wrote:
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
Kwame was also a pretty solid defender.
Kwame's problem is, he has Trump hands. I don't think he can palm a basketball.
I'd say his primary problem was lack of confidence and lack of desire. He had tremendous athletic ability, but he folded up pretty quickly whenever challenged. Some people blame Jordan for that, but I think it goes deeper.
Which NBA player would you compare him to in terms of athleticism? Would you say it was understandable why he was drafted #1 (talent-wise) or was it just a totally stupid move? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Mario Chalmers: this scrub thought he was an allstar while being carried by LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and he has disappeared since LeBron left.
James Posey/Kendrick Perkins: see above, but replace with Boston's big 3.
Perkins really isn't all that much better than Kwame Brown, if he even is at all. Pretty sure Kwame could have been plugged in instead of him and the result would have been the same.
Posey at least defended Kobe well and hit some big shots.
Before his knee injury, I thought Perkins was a pretty decent player. He could protect the lane, block shots, and grab rebounds. He provided a physical presence and defensive backbone that Kwame never could. Those two were about as opposite as players could be.
Kwame was also a pretty solid defender.
Kwame's problem is, he has Trump hands. I don't think he can palm a basketball.
I'd say his primary problem was lack of confidence and lack of desire. He had tremendous athletic ability, but he folded up pretty quickly whenever challenged. Some people blame Jordan for that, but I think it goes deeper.
Which NBA player would you compare him to in terms of athleticism? Would you say it was understandable why he was drafted #1 (talent-wise) or was it just a totally stupid move?
That was the era when guys could come into the NBA straight out of high school. Kwame was the first high school player taken #1 in the draft, but several other high schoolers were taken right after him -- Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, DeSagana Diop. Most of them bombed.
Brown was described by one scout as having a Karl Malone body with Chris Webber skills. One scout said: ""Brown can handle the basketball very well like a guard, and can even lead the fast break. He also has a good-looking stroke from 15-to-17 feet."
But he became a case study of how difficult it is to project how a high schooler will develop, and how the expectations of being a #1 pick can squash some players.
They used Karl Malone and Chris Webber because it had a better ring than "combo of Brad Sellers and Chris Dudley". _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
It's comical in hindsight. But I think it does show how difficult it is to gauge how a physically mature 17 year old, who is dominating other high schoolers, will do in the NBA. Drafting has become a crapshoot. You have a sure-thing guy maybe once every two to four years, but everything else is a projection
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject:
^^^ Kwame had some real issues that went back to his childhood and the environment he was raised in. There was an article in the Washington Post from his rookie season that exposed him for who he really was: a scared, socially undeveloped little boy in the body of a man-beast. More than anything, it was sad to read.
^^^ Kwame had some real issues that went back to his childhood and the environment he was raised in. There was an article in the Washington Post from his rookie season that exposed him for who he really was: a scared, socially undeveloped little boy in the body of a man-beast. More than anything, it was sad to read.
That explains alot about Kwame's psyche smh that's really sad. Everybody isn't mentally as strong as MJ or kobe & that's what makes them special. Hopefully Kwame has found a piece of mind.
As for this topic, I'm beginning to feel like Rondo is in this category. Tremendous talent but diva like attitude. Dwight definitely fits the mold as well.
^^^ Kwame had some real issues that went back to his childhood and the environment he was raised in. There was an article in the Washington Post from his rookie season that exposed him for who he really was: a scared, socially undeveloped little boy in the body of a man-beast. More than anything, it was sad to read.
That explains alot about Kwame's psyche smh that's really sad. Everybody isn't mentally as strong as MJ or kobe & that's what makes them special. Hopefully Kwame has found a piece of mind.
As for this topic, I'm beginning to feel like Rondo is in this category. Tremendous talent but diva like attitude. Dwight definitely fits the mold as well.
Now there was a basketball player who could've used college. He was basically thrown to the wolves in the NBA once he got out of high school. He was going to be a Florida Gator had he gone to college so I think he would've gotten the support system to grow as a person, not to mention pick up much needed fundamentals to use later on in the NBA.
You have a sure-thing guy maybe once every two to four years, but everything else is a projection
The last "sure thing" guy at the high school level was Andrew Wiggins. While he has done okay, really, he hasn't come close to his projections at the high school level. They're all just projections.
^^^ Kwame had some real issues that went back to his childhood and the environment he was raised in. There was an article in the Washington Post from his rookie season that exposed him for who he really was: a scared, socially undeveloped little boy in the body of a man-beast. More than anything, it was sad to read.
That explains alot about Kwame's psyche smh that's really sad. Everybody isn't mentally as strong as MJ or kobe & that's what makes them special. Hopefully Kwame has found a piece of mind.
As for this topic, I'm beginning to feel like Rondo is in this category. Tremendous talent but diva like attitude. Dwight definitely fits the mold as well.
Now there was a basketball player who could've used college. He was basically thrown to the wolves in the NBA once he got out of high school. He was going to be a Florida Gator had he gone to college so I think he would've gotten the support system to grow as a person, not to mention pick up much needed fundamentals to use later on in the NBA.
I had read the article when it came out and always had a bit of a soft spot for Kwame. I distinctly recall seeing some of his first games in preseason and he had a nice stroke and skills.
"Brown can handle the basketball very well like a guard, and can even lead the fast break. He also has a good-looking stroke from 15-to-17 feet." - Gene Huh, FoulShots.com
Michael completely carpet bombed the dude's confidence. Poor bastard busted his way to $65 M in career earnings. _________________ KOBE
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