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It's going to sound homerish, but I'm starting to suspect the Lakers really have something with Zubac. Its as much about what he says as how he plays. To have a guy with those physical tools at that age who is so self aware of his talents, his areas that need improvement. It's like other guys talk about where they're at and areas of improvement to be politic. Zu is analyzing the situation and taking action.
Everyone else was so sure he wasn't ready, he's just making moves.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | It's going to sound homerish, but I'm starting to suspect the Lakers really have something with Zubac. Its as much about what he says as how he plays. To have a guy with those physical tools at that age who is so self aware of his talents, his areas that need improvement. It's like other guys talk about where they're at and areas of improvement to be politic. Zu is analyzing the situation and taking action.
Everyone else was so sure he wasn't ready, he's just making moves. |
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| Assuming that's true (5th best), it means we'll not win anything with this group. |
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Assuming that's true (5th best), it means we'll not win anything with this group. |
It means we have a foundation, but we need to look for something else too. At some point we are going to move a few young assets. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2688168-2016-17-nba-under-25-player-power-rankings
Have 2 Lakers on it.
DLO: #24
Jules: #18
JC: Honorable mention
Ingram/Nance: Not included. |
I think it's a good placement for the Lakers outside of Myles Turner behind Randle. Sounds like it's considering how they played this season, ordered less by future potential
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2688168-2016-17-nba-under-25-player-power-rankings
Have 2 Lakers on it.
DLO: #24
Jules: #18
JC: Honorable mention
Ingram/Nance: Not included. |
I think it's a good placement for the Lakers outside of Myles Turner behind Randle. Sounds like it's considering how they played this season, ordered less by future potential |
Yeah. Should be a nice wake up call for DLO, being a #2 draft pick and all.
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honestly I dont think any of our young guys are currently projecting out to be a top 15 level player.
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| audioaxes wrote: | | honestly I dont think any of our young guys are currently projecting out to be a top 15 level player. |
It's honestly too early to say with Ingram given his age, frame and upward trend this month, but this is a fair assessment. I think if everything breaks right with D'Angelo he could be a top 20 player, but we haven't seen him show this yet. We're talking very intangibly when we say either of these guys could get there.
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| Errrr the 76ers coming on strong. Playing very well. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | The rough "tiers" I would have:
Tier 1: 76ers, Minny, Bucks, Utah
Tier 2: Lakers, Nuggets
Tier 3: PHX, OKC, Knicks, Magic. |
IT SURE IS A WIP, A EVER EVOLVING FORMATION, BUT FOR NOW.....
TIER 1: 76'ers, Bucks, Minny
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From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson.
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| diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
What is this talking you speak of? |
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| diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
So you think a quieter (Nance) and less proven (Zubac) guys are better than DLO b/c he talks too much. Ok.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
So you think a quieter (Nance) and less proven (Zubac) guys are better than DLO b/c he talks too much. Ok. |
And he doesn't even talk all that much. |
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| Dominator wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
What is this talking you speak of? |
The time DLO, the 20 year old, dared to post up the all-star Dame, who took exception to DLO being physical (and throwing a few chicken wings).
When Dame got in his face, DLO should have just bowed in a 90 degree angle to show him respect (and not look Dame in the face of course).
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
What is this talking you speak of? |
The time DLO, the 20 year old, dared to post up the all-star Dame, who took exception to DLO being physical (and throwing a few chicken wings).
When Dame got in his face, DLO should have just bowed in a 90 degree angle to show him respect (and not look Dame in the face of course). |
That's not what I'm talking about. It's about acting like a superstar and you aren't one, especially when your game isn't backing it up.
Of course I want him to stand up for himself against anybody... but, taking that game as an example, he lost the battle after that. In that game I'd wish he'd take Lillard to the block every trip down.
I'm talking about the swagger interviews, the ads, the celebrations (ice water in my veins) and the fact that his jersey is used as the model jersey like he is the biggest face of the franchise now. Truthfully right now, the big money SF locked in for 4 years that should have that honor, even if father time is catching up. All I'm saying is that the game needs to match the swagger.
Lastly I truly hate the fact that when we face a scoring PG or C, I have a feeling we'd lose due to the lack of defensive ability at those positions and the lack of offensive fire power to match or wear out the opposition on most nights.
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| I would say Randle, Russell and Ingram all could be very special if they reach their ceiling. Randle, his combine of power, speed and ball handling skill are very special. He has the physical tools to be next Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. His power and speed are tough to match. Russell, his combine of size, court version and shooting touch are also very special. Will he becomes next penny? Ingram, a KD body and natural playmaker. Has a very good feel to the game. He could be very special once he become physically ready. |
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| diando wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
What is this talking you speak of? |
The time DLO, the 20 year old, dared to post up the all-star Dame, who took exception to DLO being physical (and throwing a few chicken wings).
When Dame got in his face, DLO should have just bowed in a 90 degree angle to show him respect (and not look Dame in the face of course). |
That's not what I'm talking about. It's about acting like a superstar and you aren't one, especially when your game isn't backing it up.
Of course I want him to stand up for himself against anybody... but, taking that game as an example, he lost the battle after that. In that game I'd wish he'd take Lillard to the block every trip down.
I'm talking about the swagger interviews, the ads, the celebrations (ice water in my veins) and the fact that his jersey is used as the model jersey like he is the biggest face of the franchise now. Truthfully right now, the big money SF locked in for 4 years that should have that honor, even if father time is catching up. All I'm saying is that the game needs to match the swagger.
Lastly I truly hate the fact that when we face a scoring PG or C, I have a feeling we'd lose due to the lack of defensive ability at those positions and the lack of offensive fire power to match or wear out the opposition on most nights. |
What does any of that have to do with how he's played and statistically stacks up compared to the rest of the young guys on the team
also regarding your comments about defense, he's the best defender at guard on the team at 20 years old
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
So you think a quieter (Nance) and less proven (Zubac) guys are better than DLO b/c he talks too much. Ok. |
Where did he say this |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | diando wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
What is this talking you speak of? |
The time DLO, the 20 year old, dared to post up the all-star Dame, who took exception to DLO being physical (and throwing a few chicken wings).
When Dame got in his face, DLO should have just bowed in a 90 degree angle to show him respect (and not look Dame in the face of course). |
That's not what I'm talking about. It's about acting like a superstar and you aren't one, especially when your game isn't backing it up.
Of course I want him to stand up for himself against anybody... but, taking that game as an example, he lost the battle after that. In that game I'd wish he'd take Lillard to the block every trip down.
I'm talking about the swagger interviews, the ads, the celebrations (ice water in my veins) and the fact that his jersey is used as the model jersey like he is the biggest face of the franchise now. Truthfully right now, the big money SF locked in for 4 years that should have that honor, even if father time is catching up. All I'm saying is that the game needs to match the swagger.
Lastly I truly hate the fact that when we face a scoring PG or C, I have a feeling we'd lose due to the lack of defensive ability at those positions and the lack of offensive fire power to match or wear out the opposition on most nights. |
What does any of that have to do with how he's played and statistically stacks up compared to the rest of the young guys on the team
also regarding your comments about defense, he's the best defender at guard on the team at 20 years old
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^you realize that saying he's the best defender on this team, let alone "the best defender at guard," means NOTHING right? You also realize that the NBA is now a heavily friendly league, where players' personalities directly impact choices that free agents make right?
diando clearly stated that Russell's attitude is worrisome, and that if Russell is having a bad shooting night he hurts the team because he can't make a difference defensively. The same holds true for Randle, who doesn't always seem engaged. |
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| diando wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | diando wrote: | From what I've seen I'd say:
1. Ingram
2. Randle
3. Nance
4. Zubac
5. Russell
6. Clarkson
Russell worries me because of his attitude towards the game. He acts like he's bleep and he hasn't done bleep yet. He hasn't shown me what will separate his game from other yet. Also when he misses 3s (mostly due to technical flaws) you know the team is in for a bad night, because he doesn't bring it defensively, which is even more highlighted when his offense isn't going. What I'm saying is that he should let his game alone speak, when he gets the playoffs at least, then he could start talking a little bit.
Same sentiments for Randle too, although his play has generally been better than Russell's; and there are nights, when he's focused, he looks like the best player on the court.
Our guys need to work on their individual skills for the team to succeed.
Also I need more rebounds from Clarkson. |
What is this talking you speak of? |
The time DLO, the 20 year old, dared to post up the all-star Dame, who took exception to DLO being physical (and throwing a few chicken wings).
When Dame got in his face, DLO should have just bowed in a 90 degree angle to show him respect (and not look Dame in the face of course). |
That's not what I'm talking about. It's about acting like a superstar and you aren't one, especially when your game isn't backing it up.
Of course I want him to stand up for himself against anybody... but, taking that game as an example, he lost the battle after that. In that game I'd wish he'd take Lillard to the block every trip down.
I'm talking about the swagger interviews, the ads, the celebrations (ice water in my veins) and the fact that his jersey is used as the model jersey like he is the biggest face of the franchise now. Truthfully right now, the big money SF locked in for 4 years that should have that honor, even if father time is catching up. All I'm saying is that the game needs to match the swagger.
Lastly I truly hate the fact that when we face a scoring PG or C, I have a feeling we'd lose due to the lack of defensive ability at those positions and the lack of offensive fire power to match or wear out the opposition on most nights. |
Well said. Wanted to add that the D'Lo "daring to post up the All-Star Dame" narrative is pathetic tbh. D'Lo did not go off that game. Lakers lost and looked like chumps. It wasn't a moment like when Shaq dunked on Bynum, then Bynum went at him the very next position and did the same <<< that's how a player let's his game speak. |
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UG I get what he said, but is that a reason why he has him rated 5th out of our 6 young guys including Zubac who's barely played at all? There's not a single thing related to his actual performance that diando posted. Like if we're ranking players by personality I got
1) Larry
2) Zubac
3) Randle
4) Clarkson
5) Ingram
6) Russell
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Well said. Wanted to add that the D'Lo "daring to post up the All-Star Dame" narrative is pathetic tbh. D'Lo did not go off that game. Lakers lost and looked like chumps. It wasn't a moment like when Shaq dunked on Bynum, then Bynum went at him the very next position and did the same <<< that's how a player let's his game speak.
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LOL, they played each other within a week and DLO was posting up Dame in that previous game.
So when this 20 year old kid has the temerity to do it again, Dame is understandably flustered and upset by it. It's an ego thing (and of course right now Dame is much better than DLO). I thought it was so silly for Dame to get upset over that.
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