If I'm the Knicks I'd ask for Redick in this deal, and one of either Rivers or Crawford. I have a sneaking suspicion that such a trade might give the Knicks an outside chance of sneaking into the playoffs. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
you asked an impossible question, and then followed it up by pointing out your impossible question wasn't actually answered
Now that I've snipped all that boring stuff...
You were the one that proposed trading Rose, and were dismissive of the several reasons outlined in my previous post why that's extremely difficult if not impossible to accomplish. I'm not sure why, given YOU suggested they trade him (and made it seem like only an idiot wouldn't) it's unreasonable to ask for an example of something realistic they could get. If you had informed ideas about this I'm sure you'd share them.
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Well that matter is settled then, init?
Sure is. We'll see what they get. I'm sure it'll be great. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I'm pretty sure as soon as Phil took that job he wanted nothing of Anthony but probably couldn't walk in there and get rid of the best player they had since Ewing
I'm pretty sure as soon as Phil took that job he wanted nothing of Anthony but probably couldn't walk in there and get rid of the best player they had since Ewing
Either way I think Phil's days are numbered in New York. Carmelo's might be too if he decides he sees a better future on another team.
Trading for a catch & shoot guy/someone who runs around screens (Korver) is really, really, really different than trading for a guy (Rose) who'd require you to completely change how your offense is run. And that's before you get into the difficulty of matching a $21M salary.
you asked an impossible question, and then followed it up by pointing out your impossible question wasn't actually answered
Now that I've snipped all that boring stuff...
You were the one that proposed trading Rose, and were dismissive of the several reasons outlined in my previous post why that's extremely difficult if not impossible to accomplish. I'm not sure why, given YOU suggested they trade him (and made it seem like only an idiot wouldn't) it's unreasonable to ask for an example of something realistic they could get. If you had informed ideas about this I'm sure you'd share them.
USCandLakers wrote:
Well that matter is settled then, init?
Sure is. We'll see what they get. I'm sure it'll be great.
Why are you outlining the difficulty in trading him in the first place, as if there was a heavily argued counterpoint to that...or a counterpoint at all?
If it looks like a strawman. And it smells like a strawman...
I think I'm allowed to be dismissive of an argument you completely fabricated. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts!
Why are you outlining the difficulty in trading him in the first place, as if there was a heavily argued counterpoint to that...or a counterpoint at all?
I think I'm allowed to be dismissive of an argument you completely fabricated.
Do you share this account with someone else?
This conversation began because you asked why NY isn't trading Rose. When it was pointed out to you how impossible that is you replied with the Korver example. When it was pointed out to you in detail what a lazy and horrible comparison that is you denied ever making the argument. You are aware your posts are documented in this thread and anyone can read them? _________________ 14-5-3-12
Why are you outlining the difficulty in trading him in the first place, as if there was a heavily argued counterpoint to that...or a counterpoint at all?
I think I'm allowed to be dismissive of an argument you completely fabricated.
Do you share this account with someone else?
This conversation began because you asked why NY isn't trading Rose. When it was pointed out to you how impossible that is you replied with the Korver example. When it was pointed out to you in detail what a lazy and horrible comparison that is you denied ever making the argument. You are aware your posts are documented in this thread and anyone can read them?
You have an interesting thought process. One could even say it's...dishonest.
Knicks should try and trade Rose too Knicks should get a great haul if they trade Rose. It'll be easy to trade him.
Red = What I said.
Blue = How you saw it.
Created a whole counterargument to an assertion you fabricated. Dishonest. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts!
Saw a Blake and a Doc interview yesterday -- niether could completely hold back a smile when asked about the Melo trade.. I think they're on the way to getting him. At least it makes the year more interesting, wonder if they can make the WCF
Jackson is having a tough run of it as president. He started by clearing the decks including Tyson, JR and Shumpert but couldn't turn the cap space into any difference makers. He lost out on Kerr and then went from Fisher, who battled Barnes over a woman, to Rambis who nobody respects, to Hornachek who has walked a tightrope between coaching the team and keeping Jackson's triangle dream alive.
He started the year trading a quality starting center (Lopez) and a PG prospect (Grant) for Derrick Rose. Rose started the year on trial, has gone AWOL once this year and reportedly is still thinking about a max contract. He replaced Lopez with Noah who is older and now, thanks to the deal Phil gave him, much higher paid. In the middle of the shock from Trump's victory he called Bron's professional team a posse, inspiring questions about the racial implications of such a term.
Wanting to hit the reset Phil took to the media to seed a departure for Carmelo. Savy to it and armed with a trade veto, Melo is leveraging Phil into a preferred destination and pittance in return ('I want to stay in this mess, we I mean I love NY. But if management wants to go in a different direction I'll listen) with Doc right there to help. Saying they won't even part with Redick is a slap in the face, especially considering there is no way LAC can keep a big four plus Redick past this season.
KP has been having Achilles pain which is a principle risk with players that tall/long. Hopefully he's good going forward but if anything happens there the Knicks could be bad for another decade.
(BTW, ia Laker executive did half of this stuff s/he wouldn't be physically safe in LA.) _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
They tried making the playoffs with DRose, Melo, KP, Lee and they could not. Rose will be a free agent at years end. Easy to let go. Melo fetches you a starter and cap space. You sign maybe another starter with the cap created in Melo trade. You get a better lottery pick by tanking - You have cap with Rose walking, maybe to sign a better fit at PG for the team.
All nice on paper but Phil is essentially taking a huge risk that Kristaps is able to carry a franchise. I'm sure he is all star talent but I worry for them he may be prone to Bynum like injuries. Phil should maybe wait and see if KP is capable to play a full season before he dumps Melo. For all the hate Melo gets he is not overpaid in this era of the CBA (go look at Parsons contract) and he pretty much takes all the heat off Porzingis. Once it comes Porzingis team Ny will not tolerate him for long if he fails to carry them anywhere high.
Tough call. They made a risk in Rose and it backfired so they are thinking of blowing it up. From an outsider I see their issues being Rose and Noah being busts vs Melo being the problem. Melo has baggage but he's a really really good scorer and willing to take the heat that comes with being the man in NY. If the best deal is what is being reported I'd pass on dealing Melo. They are going lottery anyway. Try to draft well, try to sign some free agents that fit better than Rose, make some trades maybe and in a year from now you probably know for sure if Kristaps is healthy enough and good enough to be the man that carries your franchise material.
The Nuggets are 'working with Nurkic to find a place for him to land'. I could see
Knicks get: Nurkic, Reddick, Clipps 1st
Clippers: last legs Melo
Nuggets: twix bar or something
Even if the Clippers could trade a bag of chips for Melo would they really have a good chance of winning anything? I guess they have to try but the Clippers just seem like they have no shot to me no matter what they do and unfortunately for them they won't be getting the FIBA version of Melo.
I saw these comments from another forum that I agree with:
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Melo destroy FIBA rules because his usual terrible long 2s are 3s in FIBA, and his position is a real 4, not a tweener like in NBA
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plays better in fiba b/c he doesn't play iso ball stopper. he is great off the catch. also certainly not a tweener
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It also might have to do with the overall level of defender he sees is of a much much lower caliber than the guys in the NBA in addition to him being a 3rd option.
In any case I doubt the Clippers are going to get him. If they do get him, they will probably be one of those teams with a bunch of big names that doesn't win anything. They kind of are that way already.
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Saw a Blake and a Doc interview yesterday -- niether could completely hold back a smile when asked about the Melo trade.. I think they're on the way to getting him. At least it makes the year more interesting, wonder if they can make the WCF
They are doing a terrible job if they are waiting until the trade deadline....who knows what other team might swoop in and make a better deal.
Saw a Blake and a Doc interview yesterday -- niether could completely hold back a smile when asked about the Melo trade.. I think they're on the way to getting him. At least it makes the year more interesting, wonder if they can make the WCF
They are doing a terrible job if they are waiting until the trade deadline....who knows what other team might swoop in and make a better deal.
Looks like Ding is working for Phil too. Heard he wrote a piece bashing Melo and Phil supports it on Twitter.
@PhilJackson11
Bleacher's Ding almost rings the bell, but I learned you don't change the spot on a leopard with Michael Graham in my CBA daze.
Report: Carmelo Anthony refuses to let Phil Jackson force him off the Knicks
Phil Jackson's actions are apparently backfiring
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From Wojnarowski:
New York Knicks president Phil Jackson's public campaign to pressure Carmelo Anthony into waiving his no-trade clause is working to harden Anthony's resolve to remain with the franchise, league sources told The Vertical.
"[Jackson's underestimating 'Melo's willingness to stay," a source familiar with Anthony's thinking told The Vertical.
This backs up what Anthony has said repeatedly. He is happy in New York and won't waive his no-trade clause unless Jackson tells him the Knicks are going to start a rebuild. Jackson has refused to tell Anthony this and instead is using back channels and his Twitter account to get his message across, which is now why there is some tension between him and the Knicks All-Star
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the red isn't what you said. If you want to walk it back I understand.
Heard he wrote a piece bashing Melo and Phil supports it on Twitter.
