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| The worst thing about these movies is that when I refer to the infinitely superior TV show Avatar (the Last Airbender), people will think I'm talking about the blue people movies. |
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| tox wrote: | | The worst thing about these movies is that when I refer to the infinitely superior TV show Avatar (the Last Airbender), people will think I'm talking about the blue people movies. |
You said it, brotha.
Avatar: The Las Airbender was really a phenomenal series.
I have actually never watched the james cameron Avatar. It always just looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me.
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| tox wrote: | | The worst thing about these movies is that when I refer to the infinitely superior TV show Avatar (the Last Airbender), people will think I'm talking about the blue people movies. |
Yeah, it was pretty amazing for a kid's show. It dealt with some fairly complex themes, given the age of its intended audience. |
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| Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | I have actually never watched the james cameron Avatar. It always just looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me. |
You made a mistake by focusing on the plot. I know a couple other people who did the same thing. It was all about the visual effects. It was the first great 3-D blockbuster. The plot wasn't quite irrelevant, but that's not what made it so spectacular. There were countless stories of people turning around in the parking lot and going back to watch it again. It wasn't for the plot. It was because the movie was like being in some sort of virtual reality ride.
If you didn't see it on the big screen in 3-D with the full theatrical sound system, I doubt that you could capture the experience by watching it on DVD, even with a 3-D player. If you watched it for the plot, you would never understand why it was such a massive blockbuster. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | I have actually never watched the james cameron Avatar. It always just looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me. |
You made a mistake by focusing on the plot. I know a couple other people who did the same thing. It was all about the visual effects. It was the first great 3-D blockbuster. The plot wasn't quite irrelevant, but that's not what made it so spectacular. There were countless stories of people turning around in the parking lot and going back to watch it again. It wasn't for the plot. It was because the movie was like being in some sort of virtual reality ride.
If you didn't see it on the big screen in 3-D with the full theatrical sound system, I doubt that you could capture the experience by watching it on DVD, even with a 3-D player. If you watched it for the plot, you would never understand why it was such a massive blockbuster. |
Yea I saw it in IMAX 3D. Plot was forgettable, but the visuals on that huge 3D screen were amazing. Only 3D movie I've ever actually enjoyed watching. |
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What's funny to me is that Avatar had more of a plot (along with a nice conservationist message and a respect for native cultures) than just about any other blockbuster action movie that gets made. Yet people drool over Avengers 14 and chastise Avatar for lack of plot.
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| I'm one of those who saw Avatar many times. I enjoyed it quite a bit. They dropped the ball here though. The excitement has faded. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | I have actually never watched the james cameron Avatar. It always just looked like Dances With Wolves in space to me. |
You made a mistake by focusing on the plot. I know a couple other people who did the same thing. It was all about the visual effects. It was the first great 3-D blockbuster. The plot wasn't quite irrelevant, but that's not what made it so spectacular. There were countless stories of people turning around in the parking lot and going back to watch it again. It wasn't for the plot. It was because the movie was like being in some sort of virtual reality ride.
If you didn't see it on the big screen in 3-D with the full theatrical sound system, I doubt that you could capture the experience by watching it on DVD, even with a 3-D player. If you watched it for the plot, you would never understand why it was such a massive blockbuster. |
Yeah, then I guess I missed out. Which I'm completely fine with. Visual effects only stand out to me if they're bad.
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Imo, Avatar is the only movie so far to have met the 3D expectations, especially on Imax. I was mind blown by the visuals when it was released.
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| ocho wrote: | | What's funny to me is that Avatar had more of a plot (along with a nice conservationist message and a respect for native cultures) than just about any other blockbuster action movie that gets made. Yet people drool over Avengers 14 and chastise Avatar for lack of plot. |
It's not that it lacked a plot, so much, as it is that the plot was unoriginal and uncreative. Pocahantas meets Dances with Wolves meets the Ewoks. You are right that action movies tend to have lame plots, but the visual and sound effects from Avatar were so spectacular and creative that the plot stood out like a sore thumb. |
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| ocho wrote: | | What's funny to me is that Avatar had more of a STOLEN plot (along with a nice conservationist message and a respect for native cultures) than just about any other blockbuster action movie that gets made. Yet people drool over Avengers 14 and chastise Avatar for lack of plot. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | What's funny to me is that Avatar had more of a plot (along with a nice conservationist message and a respect for native cultures) than just about any other blockbuster action movie that gets made. Yet people drool over Avengers 14 and chastise Avatar for lack of plot. |
It's not that it lacked a plot, so much, as it is that the plot was unoriginal and uncreative. Pocahantas meets Dances with Wolves meets the Ewoks. You are right that action movies tend to have lame plots, but the visual and sound effects from Avatar were so spectacular and creative that the plot stood out like a sore thumb. |
As opposed to the groundbreaking and unfamiliar stories of most action movies?
I'm speaking generally here, but every week the masses gather into theaters to watch movies and if you look at returns what they're choosing to watch are action movies that never have any new ideas in them and remakes which are quite literally regurgitations of stuff they've seen before. These same people lap it up and then single out Avatar which was supposed to have groundbreaking and never before seen VFX but it's also supposed to have the depth of an art house film? It's simply held to a different and ludicrous standard.
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Has anyone watched the Avatar Blu-ray on a 65 OLED (4k) TV?
The graphics are freakin' phenomenal!
Even better than as it was shown in the movie theater.
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| unleasHell wrote: | Has anyone watched the Avatar Blu-ray on a 65 OLED (4k) TV?
The graphics are freakin' phenomenal!
Even better than as it was shown in the movie theater. |
That has more to do with the OLED than it has to do with 4k. I think the IMAX version was shown on 8K projectors. |
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I thought the movie was stupid, the message was trite and overly simplistic, and I don't care about CGI nearly as much as other people do. Is it held to a fair standard? Frankly, I don't care, because comparing it to other blockbuster action movies is meaningless to me since many blockbuster action movies are crap too. Although was Avengers ever nominated for best film? Not that I recall, so I'm not so sure the standard Avatar was held to was so unfair, based on the accolades it got.
What I don't get is why are they doing this now when no one cares about Avatar anymore? Why not do this when it's hype was at its peak? |
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This is like....7 years too late. Besides, they killed the best character: The crazy general. He was cartoon villain insane and it made the movie watchable.
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| Fan0Bynum17 wrote: | I thought the movie was stupid, the message was trite and overly simplistic, and I don't care about CGI nearly as much as other people do. Is it held to a fair standard? Frankly, I don't care, because comparing it to other blockbuster action movies is meaningless to me since many blockbuster action movies are crap too. Although was Avengers ever nominated for best film? Not that I recall, so I'm not so sure the standard Avatar was held to was so unfair, based on the accolades it got.
What I don't get is why are they doing this now when no one cares about Avatar anymore? Why not do this when it's hype was at its peak? |
Insultingly so. I'll take the action hero movies and their over regurgitation of good solid fun over the pretentiousness that was "Avatar".
I'll grant that at the time, it was an amazing technical achievement, but several movies have surpassed that AND provided much better and more interesting storytelling than Avatar.
I can't imagine what 2-5 are going to be like now that Cameron can't rely on a bunch of technicians crunching numbers to elevate these films above others.
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| ocho wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | What's funny to me is that Avatar had more of a plot (along with a nice conservationist message and a respect for native cultures) than just about any other blockbuster action movie that gets made. Yet people drool over Avengers 14 and chastise Avatar for lack of plot. |
It's not that it lacked a plot, so much, as it is that the plot was unoriginal and uncreative. Pocahantas meets Dances with Wolves meets the Ewoks. You are right that action movies tend to have lame plots, but the visual and sound effects from Avatar were so spectacular and creative that the plot stood out like a sore thumb. |
As opposed to the groundbreaking and unfamiliar stories of most action movies?
I'm speaking generally here, but every week the masses gather into theaters to watch movies and if you look at returns what they're choosing to watch are action movies that never have any new ideas in them and remakes which are quite literally regurgitations of stuff they've seen before. These same people lap it up and then single out Avatar which was supposed to have groundbreaking and never before seen VFX but it's also supposed to have the depth of an art house film? It's simply held to a different and ludicrous standard. |
Isn't that pretty much what I said in the last sentence of my post? I don't think we fundamentally disagree. Avatar gets held to a different standard because the plot did not match up to the immersiveness of the movie experience. There were people who had depression issues because they had to "leave" Pandora. |
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