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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Wolves Zach LaVine out for season with torn ACL

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Minnesota’s Zach LaVine out for season with torn ACL in left knee


A disappointing season in Minnesota just got worse.

Timberwolves wing Zach LaVine is done for the season after suffering a torn ACL in his left knee, the team announced Saturday. He suffered the injury against the Pistons on a drive to the basket, he only played 37 seconds in the fourth quarter Friday night with what was at the time called a contusion. The team gave him an MRI Saturday that found the tear.


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LaVine will have surgery soon but is out for the season.

LaVine had taken a step forward with his game this season, averaging 18.9 points, 3.4 rebounds, and 3 assists in 37.2 minutes per game. He was given more responsibility by coach Tom Thibodeau and handled it fairly well, showing a more diverse game than in seasons past. Hopefully, LaVine will not lose too much of his trademark expansiveness once he has rehabbed the injury.

Minnesota likely will give more run to Brandon Rush and Shabazz Muhammad with LaVine out.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Wow. Will he ever be the same?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject:

he's a great kid. no idea what the wolves are going to do.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Just got home from the gym, popped on NBA TV, and saw this. Super sucks. He's quite young and so I'm hoping he can make a complete recovery.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. Will he ever be the same?


Hard to say, but I'm betting on yes. Jabari's pretty athletic and he picked up where he left off.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:29 pm    Post subject:

(bleep). I feel bad for him, he was—

...can we trade for him?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Wolves Zach LaVine out for season with torn ACL

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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/04/minnesotas-zach-lavine-out-for-season-with-torn-acl-in-left-knee/

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Minnesota’s Zach LaVine out for season with torn ACL in left knee


A disappointing season in Minnesota just got worse.

Timberwolves wing Zach LaVine is done for the season after suffering a torn ACL in his left knee, the team announced Saturday. He suffered the injury against the Pistons on a drive to the basket, he only played 37 seconds in the fourth quarter Friday night with what was at the time called a contusion. The team gave him an MRI Saturday that found the tear.


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Zach LaVine's knee injury occurred on this play
LaVine will have surgery soon but is out for the season.

LaVine had taken a step forward with his game this season, averaging 18.9 points, 3.4 rebounds, and 3 assists in 37.2 minutes per game. He was given more responsibility by coach Tom Thibodeau and handled it fairly well, showing a more diverse game than in seasons past. Hopefully, LaVine will not lose too much of his trademark expansiveness once he has rehabbed the injury.

Minnesota likely will give more run to Brandon Rush and Shabazz Muhammad with LaVine out.


Thibs running a 21 year old kid into the ground 37 mins a game.

4th quarter had just started and he'd already played 32 minutes

And the last 4 games before the tear he'd been run 42, 37, 43 and 37 minutes.

This is precisely what I was worried about when the T'Wolves handed over a YOUNG team to Tom Thibodeau...

Get well soon Zach.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. Will he ever be the same?


Hard to say, but I'm betting on yes. Jabari's pretty athletic and he picked up where he left off.


Yea Jabari is even more athletic now.. Just like how Rose said he gained 4" on his vert after surgery

But yea, Thibs is looking shaky in the light on this one. Leading the league in minutes?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject:

That isn't good.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. Will he ever be the same?


Hard to say, but I'm betting on yes. Jabari's pretty athletic and he picked up where he left off.


Or worst case scenario he'll be like Kobe and lose his hops and never be the same pre-injury....
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject:

Tom Thibodeau is like those old fashioned NFL coaches that ran their RB 400 times a season. Simply can't make adjustments and his players pay for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject:

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justsomelakerfan wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. Will he ever be the same?


Hard to say, but I'm betting on yes. Jabari's pretty athletic and he picked up where he left off.


Yea Jabari is even more athletic now.. Just like how Rose said he gained 4" on his vert after surgery

But yea, Thibs is looking shaky in the light on this one. Leading the league in minutes?


Did he really? Why was Rose never the same player after coming back then? Are you saying it was all mental and not actually based on a physical decline?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:04 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. Will he ever be the same?


Hard to say, but I'm betting on yes. Jabari's pretty athletic and he picked up where he left off.


Yea Jabari is even more athletic now.. Just like how Rose said he gained 4" on his vert after surgery

But yea, Thibs is looking shaky in the light on this one. Leading the league in minutes?


Did he really? Why was Rose never the same player after coming back then? Are you saying it was all mental and not actually based on a physical decline?


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/9779719/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-says-vertical-leap-five-inches-higher-surgery

It's a mixture. Every time Rose would go full bore for a stretch of games after his 1st injury, he would get another injury or tweak. He immediately came back and tore his MCL.
I vividly remember seeing him revving it up after both injuries and saying - wow this is the fastest player I've ever seen, still. But then he'd pull his hammy, or have knee soreness, and slow his pace.
At this point, he's an old 28, he's probably legit lost speed from injury and wear/tear. Plus he's less confident to play fast.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject:

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justsomelakerfan wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Wow. Will he ever be the same?


Hard to say, but I'm betting on yes. Jabari's pretty athletic and he picked up where he left off.


Or worst case scenario he'll be like Kobe and lose his hops and never be the same pre-injury....


A lot depends on the construction of the knee. My son stretched a couple of ligaments in his knee and didn't tear anything, but due to the construction of his knee and the lack of a lateral muscle, he couldn't play football again.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject:

For the record, those that also criticize the T'Wolves running their kids into the ground, or those that don't think they're being excessive, from Thibs perspective...

There's only 9 PLAYERS in all of the NBA that play over 36 Mins a game.

Yet the Timberwolves have 3 of them.

The other 6 are LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, James Harden, John Wall, and Anthony Davis. Average Age: 27.5 and all are superstars, not 2nd year kids trying to get their footing and still adjusting to the league.

And there's only 4 PLAYERS in all of the NBA that play over 37 Mins a game

Yet the Timberwolves have 2 of them!

This should have been the worry when they brought Thibs on. Great assistant, but as the main guy in charge of another player's well-being? Let alone a young player? Never.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:22 pm    Post subject:

Thibs sort of seems like the defensive version of Mike D'Antoni.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:57 pm    Post subject:

Thibs is old school compared to MDA, at least MDA prefers modern basketball schemes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject:

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Thibs is old school compared to MDA, at least MDA prefers modern basketball schemes.


I meant with respect to their rigid styles.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject:

Thibs.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject:

Man Thibs grinds these kids.

He plays them a lot of minutes, but just imagine how much he has them on their feet in practices.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:36 pm    Post subject:

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Man Thibs grinds these kids.

He plays them a lot of minutes, but just imagine how much he has them on their feet in practices.


I think it's the practices that are the primary culprit if they're the equivalent of game time that really did them in. They probably spent multiples of hours more in the practice gym burning candles at both ends relative to the games. Finally caught up to one of them.

Sports are finally starting to catch on but rest and recovery in training is so monumentally important and so many of these old school guys (such as Byron/Thibs) think running more is the answer to more conditioning. It's not. At a point there are massive consequences if the body isn't allowed to recupe.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject:

Plus the benefits athletes are finding from cross training. Playing one sport year round can make one more susceptible to injuries compared to athletes who exercise other muscles in the offseason. Be it swimming, golf, soccer or whatever, let some muscles rest while using others.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject:

I'm not sold that minutes played correlates to knee injuries, in the sense that playing 37 minutes per game poses a dramatically greater risk than playing 34 minutes. I can buy the argument for muscle injuries, but I don't see a logical reason why playing an extra 3-4 minutes per game would make an ACL injury more likely. Otherwise, Wilt should have had a couple ACL injuries per year.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject:

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I'm not sold that minutes played correlates to knee injuries, in the sense that playing 37 minutes per game poses a dramatically greater risk than playing 34 minutes. I can buy the argument for muscle injuries, but I don't see a logical reason why playing an extra 3-4 minutes per game would make an ACL injury more likely. Otherwise, Wilt should have had a couple ACL injuries per year.


The risk of injury isn't linear, it's exponential with respect to minutes played. An accumulation of 3-4 mpg can make the difference between being tired and being fatigued. When a player is fatigued, the risk of injury skyrockets.
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