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| clutchkobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Palin wrote: | | Only way West coming back is if he thinks Magic will make some FO moves that gonna effect Ryan West badly. |
What if he wants one last project back where it all began, but with his son to share it with? He gives everyone a win too. Jim can step aside for logo, not for jeanie, and spin it as a magnanimous move. Jeanie can stay out of ops, with cover. |
Exactly my sentiment and why Jerry would do it.
From the POV of Jimbo, he can be regarded as the "bigger man" who knew it was time to step aside and let others take over while he enjoyed his role as owner. It would be a great look for him. |
Jim could still be the guy signing off on any deals the FO might make. Someone will need to do that. |
jim stated he would resign if he didnt make a marker. have some integrity and stand by your words. No trust in him or the organization if they do not stand by the words. If jerry was here....he would make him stand by them. I dont care if a person off the streets runs the lakers....its has to be better than whats there. Mitch using up all our cap space....come on. Jim gave the ok for that. Jim must be part of the owner group and final say with jeanie.....hire the personnel. |
Then it would be another Buss kid signing off on deals, I really don't care which one it is.
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| iimarshon wrote: | If Jerry came back wouldn't it make more sense that Mitch would stay to bridge between himself and eventually Ryan West becoming GM?
Especially because Mitch and Jerry are friends ya? |
That's the one part of this I don't like. They badly need a modern GM. The game is not going to stop evolving, and Mitch has proven to be behind the curve in most of these changes. |
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Jerry West and Jim Buss worked together before, so I don't think that's a problem.
Jim Buss has been part of the Lakers front office since 1998, he was one of Jerry's assistant GM.
Never heard of anything about a rift between them.
If we bring Jerry West back, even firing Jim Buss (and/or Mitch) wouldn't be necessary.
Imagine a room with Jerry and Ryan West, Magic Johnson, Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak. It's amazing. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | If Jerry came back wouldn't it make more sense that Mitch would stay to bridge between himself and eventually Ryan West becoming GM?
Especially because Mitch and Jerry are friends ya? |
That's the one part of this I don't like. They badly need a modern GM. The game is not going to stop evolving, and Mitch has proven to be behind the curve in most of these changes. |
I think our young core would look a lot different if Mitch was as far behind "modern" basketball management as some posit. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | If Jerry came back wouldn't it make more sense that Mitch would stay to bridge between himself and eventually Ryan West becoming GM?
Especially because Mitch and Jerry are friends ya? |
That's the one part of this I don't like. They badly need a modern GM. The game is not going to stop evolving, and Mitch has proven to be behind the curve in most of these changes. |
I think our young core would look a lot different if Mitch was as far behind "modern" basketball management as some posit. |
The fact that some of them are so analytical-friendly does say the opposite. The Lakers have jumped on the analytics craze, and will soon open a state of the art training facility.
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| bandiger wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | Bring Nash back with you to work with Russell Plz. |
The mentoring of JC made me think he would be starting PG prior to DLO  |
We all thought that at the time. So much so, in fact, that some have still struggled to let that vision go   And I was an Okafor guy, so I envisioned a big three of Okafor as the C of the future, Randle at PF, and Clarkson as point guard  
But Nash as a tutor to Russell would've been so epic. I try not to think about it because of how irritating it is that the Lakers neglected to take advantage of yet another painfully obvious and convenient home run. But what's done is done. Gotta let it go. I don't think Magic will be nearly as big a help for Russell as Nash would've been, but I'm sure he'll still be a considerable help.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | If Jerry came back wouldn't it make more sense that Mitch would stay to bridge between himself and eventually Ryan West becoming GM?
Especially because Mitch and Jerry are friends ya? |
That's the one part of this I don't like. They badly need a modern GM. The game is not going to stop evolving, and Mitch has proven to be behind the curve in most of these changes. |
I think our young core would look a lot different if Mitch was as far behind "modern" basketball management as some posit. |
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| Now Jerry West is using the Lakers as leverage. The circle is complete. |
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| Judah wrote: | | bandiger wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | Bring Nash back with you to work with Russell Plz. |
The mentoring of JC made me think he would be starting PG prior to DLO |
We all thought that at the time. So much so, in fact, that some have still struggled to let that vision go And I was an Okafor guy, so I envisioned a big three of Okafor as the C of the future, Randle at PF, and Clarkson as point guard
But Nash as a tutor to Russell would've been so epic. I try not to think about it because of how irritating it is that the Lakers neglected to take advantage of yet another painfully obvious and convenient home run. But what's done is done. Gotta let it go. I don't think Magic will be nearly as big a help for Russell as Nash would've been, but I'm sure he'll still be a considerable help. |
They offered Nash a deal. He just chose to go to the Warriors. |
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| tox wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | bandiger wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | Bring Nash back with you to work with Russell Plz. |
The mentoring of JC made me think he would be starting PG prior to DLO |
We all thought that at the time. So much so, in fact, that some have still struggled to let that vision go And I was an Okafor guy, so I envisioned a big three of Okafor as the C of the future, Randle at PF, and Clarkson as point guard
But Nash as a tutor to Russell would've been so epic. I try not to think about it because of how irritating it is that the Lakers neglected to take advantage of yet another painfully obvious and convenient home run. But what's done is done. Gotta let it go. I don't think Magic will be nearly as big a help for Russell as Nash would've been, but I'm sure he'll still be a considerable help. |
They offered Nash a deal. He just chose to go to the Warriors. |
Yeah, because they only made the offer as a last ditch effort once he was already headed to GS. He was interested in sticking around and probably would have if they had made it official before GS pursued him.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Now Jerry West is using the Lakers as leverage. The circle is complete. |
First it was Phil, now Jerry, and next year it'll probably be Riley. Those three are at least HOFers, though - imagine how many porn subscriptions Rambis can squeeze out of the Knicks after he flirts with a Lakers assistant coaching position. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | 999 wrote: | | I wish the lakers can get rid of that soon soon guy and offer jerry west the part ownership |
His ownership share is probably worth $100 million to $150 million by now. No one's going to be giving Jerry that kind of money for a Consulting gig |
i hope that soon soon guy sells his share... never liked the idea that he bought his share from magic. since he bought his share it seemed like he sucked all the mojo out of the lakers organization. |
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| If this happens it will be as big as signing any FA or acquring a star, Lakers have lost a lot of there high stakes when he left. |
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| danzag wrote: | Jerry West and Jim Buss worked together before, so I don't think that's a problem.
Jim Buss has been part of the Lakers front office since 1998, he was one of Jerry's assistant GM.
Never heard of anything about a rift between them.
If we bring Jerry West back, even firing Jim Buss (and/or Mitch) wouldn't be necessary.
Imagine a room with Jerry and Ryan West, Magic Johnson, Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak. It's amazing. |
Are you talking about in the room with free agents? |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | danzag wrote: | Jerry West and Jim Buss worked together before, so I don't think that's a problem.
Jim Buss has been part of the Lakers front office since 1998, he was one of Jerry's assistant GM.
Never heard of anything about a rift between them.
If we bring Jerry West back, even firing Jim Buss (and/or Mitch) wouldn't be necessary.
Imagine a room with Jerry and Ryan West, Magic Johnson, Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak. It's amazing. |
Are you talking about in the room with free agents? |
Yes. |
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| tlim wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | tlim wrote: | | Time to come home, Jerry. By the time you're back, you won't have to deal with Buss Jr. |
The Buss Jrs own the Lakers, he will have to deal with them. And isn't West a part owner of the Warriors? That could certainly get sticky. But we see too many articles like these where West said that he is working on extending with the Warriors and nothing about coming to the Lakers. The title has little to do with the content. |
I thought he's a consultant?
Regardless, he's set them up for the next 10 years. Nothing left to do over there but watch it play out.
If his interest lies in the process of building and shaping culture, rosters, and franchises, then LA would be an amazing story to end his career. |
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170107/heisler-lakers-should-focus-on-jim-buss-out-jerry-west-in
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that Jim is still a kid in the candy store and really should surround himself with a lot better overall talent or walk away.
For Jerry to listen to Jim would be a stretch and his voice is nearly useless. Jim should really just step down and let the guys who've done it for a long time, and really, the LOGO do his thing. He literally walks on water with the players as well as other GMs and other organizations. With him and Mitch together again without a fly buzzing around to distract them, they would really know how to get to the playoffs and the next level again.
Give West a part of the team and I'm sure he'd come back again. |
Jerry wouldn't come back to work for VP Jim Buss. IMO, the scenario would be would be with Mitch and Ryan so that eventually Ryan could take over for Mitch.
Jim has no business speaking basketball with Jerry. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | tlim wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | tlim wrote: | | Time to come home, Jerry. By the time you're back, you won't have to deal with Buss Jr. |
The Buss Jrs own the Lakers, he will have to deal with them. And isn't West a part owner of the Warriors? That could certainly get sticky. But we see too many articles like these where West said that he is working on extending with the Warriors and nothing about coming to the Lakers. The title has little to do with the content. |
I thought he's a consultant?
Regardless, he's set them up for the next 10 years. Nothing left to do over there but watch it play out.
If his interest lies in the process of building and shaping culture, rosters, and franchises, then LA would be an amazing story to end his career. |
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170107/heisler-lakers-should-focus-on-jim-buss-out-jerry-west-in
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that Jim is still a kid in the candy store and really should surround himself with a lot better overall talent or walk away.
For Jerry to listen to Jim would be a stretch and his voice is nearly useless. Jim should really just step down and let the guys who've done it for a long time, and really, the LOGO do his thing. He literally walks on water with the players as well as other GMs and other organizations. With him and Mitch together again without a fly buzzing around to distract them, they would really know how to get to the playoffs and the next level again.
Give West a part of the team and I'm sure he'd come back again. |
Jerry wouldn't come back to work for VP Jim Buss. IMO, the scenario would be would be with Mitch and Ryan so that eventually Ryan could take over for Mitch.
Jim has no business speaking basketball with Jerry. |
Jim has been a part of the Laker FO since the late 1990's. He's worked with Jerry before. There are no indications that Jerry doesn't like Jim. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: |
For Jerry to listen to Jim would be a stretch and his voice is nearly useless. Jim should really just step down and let the guys who've done it for a long time, and really, the LOGO do his thing. He literally walks on water with the players as well as other GMs and other organizations. With him and Mitch together again without a fly buzzing around to distract them, they would really know how to get to the playoffs and the next level again.
Give West a part of the team and I'm sure he'd come back again. |
That isn't how consultants work, it would be Jim listening to Jerry.[/quote]
Consultants and communication is always a two way street, no matter what. My point is that Jim's eye isn't much better than most watchers of basketball. Having him in any conversation about basketball decisions seems to be wasting time. |
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| danzag wrote: |
Imagine a room with Jerry and Ryan West, Magic Johnson, Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak. It's amazing. |
What's the drop or improvement of decisions with or without Jim Buss there? You remember that game of "something doesn't belong"?
Well, Jim sticks out like a sore thumb in that group. |
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| tlim wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: |
For Jerry to listen to Jim would be a stretch and his voice is nearly useless. Jim should really just step down and let the guys who've done it for a long time, and really, the LOGO do his thing. He literally walks on water with the players as well as other GMs and other organizations. With him and Mitch together again without a fly buzzing around to distract them, they would really know how to get to the playoffs and the next level again.
Give West a part of the team and I'm sure he'd come back again. |
That isn't how consultants work, it would be Jim listening to Jerry. |
Consultants and communication is always a two way street, no matter what. My point is that Jim's eye isn't much better than most watchers of basketball. Having him in any conversation about basketball decisions seems to be wasting time.[/quote]
You don't even know Jim Buss and are just making crap up.
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| tlim wrote: | | danzag wrote: |
Imagine a room with Jerry and Ryan West, Magic Johnson, Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak. It's amazing. |
What's the drop or improvement of decisions with or without Jim Buss there? You remember that game of "something doesn't belong"?
Well, Jim sticks out like a sore thumb in that group. |
That's what you are saying. |
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| tlim wrote: | | danzag wrote: |
Imagine a room with Jerry and Ryan West, Magic Johnson, Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak. It's amazing. |
What's the drop or improvement of decisions with or without Jim Buss there? You remember that game of "something doesn't belong"?
Well, Jim sticks out like a sore thumb in that group. |
Team ownership certainly belongs.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | tlim wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | tlim wrote: | | Time to come home, Jerry. By the time you're back, you won't have to deal with Buss Jr. |
The Buss Jrs own the Lakers, he will have to deal with them. And isn't West a part owner of the Warriors? That could certainly get sticky. But we see too many articles like these where West said that he is working on extending with the Warriors and nothing about coming to the Lakers. The title has little to do with the content. |
I thought he's a consultant?
Regardless, he's set them up for the next 10 years. Nothing left to do over there but watch it play out.
If his interest lies in the process of building and shaping culture, rosters, and franchises, then LA would be an amazing story to end his career. |
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170107/heisler-lakers-should-focus-on-jim-buss-out-jerry-west-in
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that Jim is still a kid in the candy store and really should surround himself with a lot better overall talent or walk away.
For Jerry to listen to Jim would be a stretch and his voice is nearly useless. Jim should really just step down and let the guys who've done it for a long time, and really, the LOGO do his thing. He literally walks on water with the players as well as other GMs and other organizations. With him and Mitch together again without a fly buzzing around to distract them, they would really know how to get to the playoffs and the next level again.
Give West a part of the team and I'm sure he'd come back again. |
Jerry wouldn't come back to work for VP Jim Buss. IMO, the scenario would be would be with Mitch and Ryan so that eventually Ryan could take over for Mitch.
Jim has no business speaking basketball with Jerry. |
Jim has been a part of the Laker FO since the late 1990's. He's worked with Jerry before. There are no indications that Jerry doesn't like Jim. |
No Jim was downing beers and training horses in the 90's. His daddy owned the Lakers so he was allowed to sit in on team meetings and eventually was old enough to give his opinion. His dad, as part of his dying wish, left him to be in charge of basketball ops officially for the first time... he's since failed.
It's not about liking Jim. It's that Jim knows zilch in comparison to Jerry "THE LOGO" West. No reason for Jim to be in that room anymore. Sit back, and enable your sister and your new employees to do their jobs.
Technically, Jim would Jerry's boss anyway since he's owner but that's all he should be. I've been one who historically defended Jim (and Mitch) but the past 2 years and how we ended up here combined with how we spent the money this past summer has changed my opinion greatly.
Jim (and Mitch) has failed in every plan thus far-- Dwight, Melo, LMA, Monroe, Durant/DeMar/Whiteside/Horford, etc. The basketball gods watched over him and we lucked into keeping our picks and by a mixture of poor execution and probability, we're a rebuilding team. I'm okay with building through the draft but it was never either Jim nor Mitch's intention of doing that until they struck out everywhere else. If they had actually planned on this, Jim would never have given himself a deadline but instead explained how hard and long a rebuild is.
Jim has to go. I trust Mitch as a cap guy and evaluator of talent but a visionary he is not. That's West and partly Magic. |
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Look, if you want to make an argument as to why you don't like what Jim has done in the FO, go ahead. But don't mislead people with your argument.
The fact is that Jim Buss became the assistant GM in 1998. He wasn't just "sitting in meetings." My point was that Jerry has worked with him before, and that I don't see Jim's presence here as a deterrent to Jerry returning. That's all. |
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