Mozgov, Deng, and the missing amnesty clause

markjay · Star Player Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 3921 Location: O.C.

Right now, the Mozgov and Deng signings look pretty bad. But I wonder if the Lakers were expecting an amnesty clause to be in the new CBA. After all, there has been one in the last two CBA's.

If the front office was expecting another amnesty clause, all of a sudden these two signings don't look so crazy. There was always a chance that at least one of the two would work out well, which would have meant that the other player could have been amnestied. And, if somehow, both worked out poorly, the Lakers could have still amnestied one of the two, leaving them on the hook for only $16 to $18 million per year, rather than twice that.

Could the Lakers' front office have been taken by surprise?

lukewaltonsdad · Star Player Joined: 09 Jul 2014 Posts: 2983

Daphanabe · Star Player Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 2768

If that is the case, that would be awful FO planning and execution. If it were a difference making signing, then take that risk. Not for mediocre guys at insane pricing.

dcarter4kobe · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 17674

Mozgov/Deng threads are taking over LG lol
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lukewaltonsdad · Star Player Joined: 09 Jul 2014 Posts: 2983

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=180888&start=50

Check out the link; Yinoma asked the question and Pincus answered on the first page.

Daphanabe · Star Player Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 2768

deal · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:22 pm Post subject:

Lakers will have to suck up those two contracts, I don't see an easy, as in painless, out.
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dcarter4kobe · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 17674

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I still believe that the Lakers needing an amnesty clause was one of the biggest reasons other owners/players chose to not include an amnesty clause

fontana3d · Star Player Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Posts: 3794

zoom K083 · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jan 2013 Posts: 547

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/30/12052290/nba-free-agent-signings-tracker-2016-rumors

there really was not alot the lakers could have done. none of the top tier agents wanted to speak with us. also everyone was severely overpaid, so the notion that the players and owners did not want the amnesty to spite the lakers is off. looking at that list every team should want the amnesty clause.

With that being said, the moz and deng contracts are still awful and real poor planning by the lakers. should have never assumed a clause would be put in place.

fontana3d · Star Player Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Posts: 3794

mhan00 · Retired Number Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 32059

RI Laker · Star Player Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 7148

Two of the three or 4 worse contracts by FAR this past offseason. We are stuck with them.. To think, there are still some on this board who have no problems with their contracts. Someone pointed out on another thread that Mitch gave the go ahead on the contracts. I always was a big supporter of Mitch, but if this is true, I think he lost his mind.

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dcarter4kobe · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 17674

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dcarter4kobe · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 17674

My thing was, it was never ANY reason at all to give Mozgov/Deng 136M at ages 30/31.

Veteran leadership, roster continuity, we had to over pay to get anyone to come here, having flexibility in the past haven't got us much etc etc was all used to defend those signings until we all saw how average/below average Deng/Mozgov was on the court.
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pmacla · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:08 am Post subject:

teams knew the details of what was being discussed before FA last year, the idea that our Front Office signed guys hoping and wishing on something is just ridiculous

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Moses · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:38 am Post subject:

The length of each contract was what bothered me the most. I get that premier free agents wouldn't come here this past summer, maybe not even this summer unless our young core shows a lot of growth.

But, what I have a had time understanding is the reason for giving Mozgov a 4 year deal. Would any other team have offered him the same annual salary for 4 years? I don't think so, which makes it all the more puzzling why we did.

If both of these were 2 year deals rather than 4, then fine, but I never saw how this would work out as anything except disaster with 4 year deals.
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Ziggy · Franchise Player Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 12712

I'm not embarrassed to say I took a wait and see approach to Moz/Deng signings and was frustrated by the immediate hate these moves received. We were all blindsided by the Mozgov signing. I was more optimistic about the Deng signing. He had a solid season last year. Didn't think he'd drop off like this.

But anyway, I don't think the amnesty clause played a role. The teams still have to pay the player, even if they don't count against the cap. They wouldn't just gamble with that much money. I think they really targeted them as players of need.

audioaxes · Franchise Player Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 12573

ugh even if there was an amnesty clause it still made no sense to sign these two to the contracts they got.
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