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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:34 pm    Post subject:

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Because the postseason isn't the same as the regular season.

Of course its going to be the Pats/Steelers AFC Title game.. again.

Nobody else currently incites fear in the AFC but those two teams.

(If the Ravens could pull it together maybe them)

Ravens and Chargers as the two WC teams would have made for an infinitely more interesting AFC playoff bracket IMO
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, the Bills might be the worst playoff team in recent memory. And the Jags aren't much better.
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Because the postseason isn't the same as the regular season.

Of course its going to be the Pats/Steelers AFC Title game.. again.

Nobody else currently incites fear in the AFC but those two teams.

(If the Ravens could pull it together maybe them)

Ravens and Chargers as the two WC teams would have made for an infinitely more interesting AFC playoff bracket IMO


I agree and I don't like either of those teams.
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Panthers claim Cam Newton was poked in the eye

Panthers quarterback Cam Newton took a hit to the head with less than 10 minutes to play in Sunday’s loss to the Saints. While walking to the sideline, he stopped and went to a knee. After spending some time on the field, Newton went to the sideline.

He missed one play (a third-down that was unsuccessful and led to a punt) before returning on the next drive.


So what happened? He received a concussion evaluation in the medical tent, but he was quickly cleared to return.

“We are in contact now with the Panthers’ medical staff and we will not comment further until those conversations are completed,” the NFL said in a statement issued on Sunday night.

The Panthers offered an alternative explanation to the possibility that Newton suffered a concussion.

“He actually got poked in the eye,” coach Ron Rivera told reporters after the game. “They took him in there as a precautionary [measure] just to make sure, but when he was sitting on the ground, they were trying to wipe whatever when he got popped. So that’s what that was.”

If that’s what it was, then there was no need for a concussion evaluation in the medical tent. And if there was need for a concussion evaluation at all, the fact that Newton ended up on the ground means — based on a changes to the protocol announced late last month by the NFL and the NFL Players Association — that he should have been taken to the locker room for an evaluation.

The new procedures, according to the joint statement, “[r]equire a locker room concussion evaluation for all players demonstrating gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).” The language has no exception for eye pokes or other head injuries that aren’t brain injuries.

For the play resulting in the injury, the broadcast footage shows Newton spin away from one Saints player. Before Newton can straighten himself out, Newton takes a chest to the helmet. He then lays on the his left side with his right arm in a fixed position, motionless for a second or two. As teammates help him up, Newton squints with his left eye, then with his right.

Next comes Newton’s inability to walk off the field. He takes a knee, and then he takes a seat. After removing his helmet, he blinks his eyes but he never rubs them or otherwise behaves the way most would when actually poked in the eye. Instead, he sits there, periodically blinking either eye, with no clear sign of trauma to either of them. (Minutes later, he’s seen holding a towel over his right eye.)

And, yes, it’s hard to understand how he was poked in the eye at all, given that he wears a plastic eye shield inside his face mask.

Based on the things that happened in the immediate aftermath of the hit, and in light of the recent changes to the policy, Newton’s behavior was enough to compel a locker-room concussion evaluation — especially if the league’s routinely-stated concerns for player safety causes the league to resolve any doubt in favor of ensuring that the player is fit to continue.

But here’s the problem the NFL faces in playoff games that have progressed to crunch time. By being excessively (and appropriately) concerned about key players who possibly suffered head injuries in those moments, there’s a chance that a key player will be kept from playing for 10 or 15 minutes of real time while he undergoes a locker-room evaluation, only to eventually be cleared.

Without Newton, the Packers wouldn’t have cut the New Orleans lead from 31-19 to 31-26. Without Newton, the Panthers wouldn’t have had a chance to drive the field and win the game in the final minute. And if Newton eventually had emerged from the locker room without a concussion, someone would have argued that an overly cautious doctor or trainer or whoever directly affected the outcome of a playoff game.

That’s why, no matter what the league does to create the impression for parents, pundits, and politicians that the game is safe, key players in key moments will be more likely to be allowed to assume the full range of risks that comes from playing football — including but not limited to the risk of suffering a concussion, and then suffering another only minutes later.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject:

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This is really sad, and they might be facing a major fine. They should be. He shouldn't have been playing. Players are always going to want to play, especially in a playoff game, and this was a case where the team knew what happened and let its desire to also win override doing the right thing and protecting the player.

Yeah, it would've sucked to lose Newton for the final few minutes of the game, but it just boils down to, do you have a protocol or not? This is also another thing that hurts the players' leverage in CBA negotiations. They might have rightful claims such as playing games on Thursdays after a Sunday game as being unfair, but then you have players not caring about their own safety in cases like this.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:03 pm    Post subject:

The Pats are -13.5 against the Titans, which was where the line opened. I'd probably lean towards laying the points, but when it's that many, there's always the chance for the backdoor cover even if the Pats play well. Just like last year, when the Pats got a great draw in opening up their playoff run against an overmatched Texans team without a good QB, this time they face a better QB but, still, an overmatched team in general.

The Falcons are -3 against the Eagles, and, as I suspected, Vegas has set the line where the public is overrating the Falcons IMO. I think this number will drop as kickoff approaches, possibly closer to a pick 'em.

The Steelers opened at -7 against the Jaguars and now it's 7.5. I really do expect a blowout here. Jacksonville's offense has basically ceased to exist over the past 3-4 weeks. Bortles has turned back into ugly Blake Bortles through the air, and if anyone here thinks they will be able to sustain drives and score points against the Steelers with a bevy of Bortles runs, I think they are mistaken. I expect a heavy, heavy dose of Le'Veon Bell in this one, both in the run game and in the pass game.

Finally, the Vikings are -3.5 against the Saints, and that line feels about right to me. Once again, I think the Saints might struggle to run the ball against the excellent Vikings front, but the Vikings are more equipped to handle the Saints' passing attack than Carolina was. On the other side, of course Keenum doesn't offer Cam's dual threat ability, but he's a much more accurate passer. He's played so well this season, and I think the game comes down to him. If he plays like he has all season, I think the Vikings have too much for the Saints to handle, and the Peat injury doesn't help the Saints' cause. But if Keenum isn't up to the task--kind of like how the Rams weren't up to the task--it's not difficult to imagine the Saints winning.
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Yannick Ngakoue accuses Bills' Richie Incognito of using racial slurs

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Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end Yannick Ngakoue accused Buffalo Bills offensive lineman Richie Incognito of using racial slurs during the Jaguars' 10-3 playoff victory Sunday.


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need more evidence to believe this....everything I have heard about Incognito since his earlier trouble makes it hard to believe that he is out on the field with mostly black players....even on his own team, throwing around racial slurs.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject:

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This is really sad, and they might be facing a major fine. They should be. He shouldn't have been playing. Players are always going to want to play, especially in a playoff game, and this was a case where the team knew what happened and let its desire to also win override doing the right thing and protecting the player.

Yeah, it would've sucked to lose Newton for the final few minutes of the game, but it just boils down to, do you have a protocol or not? This is also another thing that hurts the players' leverage in CBA negotiations. They might have rightful claims such as playing games on Thursdays after a Sunday game as being unfair, but then you have players not caring about their own safety in cases like this.


So they have a protocol, use it to evaluate the player, and it is still somehow wrong? Sorry man, that is garbage. They followed procedure and cleared Newton to play but that isn’t good enough. Nothing but a hatchet job article.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:13 pm    Post subject:

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This is really sad, and they might be facing a major fine. They should be. He shouldn't have been playing. Players are always going to want to play, especially in a playoff game, and this was a case where the team knew what happened and let its desire to also win override doing the right thing and protecting the player.

Yeah, it would've sucked to lose Newton for the final few minutes of the game, but it just boils down to, do you have a protocol or not? This is also another thing that hurts the players' leverage in CBA negotiations. They might have rightful claims such as playing games on Thursdays after a Sunday game as being unfair, but then you have players not caring about their own safety in cases like this.


So they have a protocol, use it to evaluate the player, and it is still somehow wrong? Sorry man, that is garbage. They followed procedure and cleared Newton to play but that isn’t good enough. Nothing but a hatchet job article.


I'm just going to ask simply, did you watch the game? Did you watch the play? Did you watch the aftermath of the play? Did you watch him try to jog off the field and stumble to a knee? That doesn't happen because a guy got poked in the eye. Cameras caught everything, even close-ups of him immediately after the play, and we aren't talking about a poke in the eye. This was a textbook "getting your bell rung" case. The Panthers are shamefully making up a story here. And even if they aren't, protocol was still not followed. He should have been taken to the locker room for evaluation, and it doesn't matter how much time is left in the game.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22004804/carolina-panthers-handling-cam-newton-injury-review

From that article...

According to the revised rule, a player is required to go to the locker room for evaluation if he is found to demonstrate "gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).''
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:52 pm    Post subject:

Bears hire ex-Chiefs OC Matt Nagy as head coach. I dunno if they saw the play-calling during the WC game...
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I'll take Falcons and the spread.
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ChickenStu wrote:
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This is really sad, and they might be facing a major fine. They should be. He shouldn't have been playing. Players are always going to want to play, especially in a playoff game, and this was a case where the team knew what happened and let its desire to also win override doing the right thing and protecting the player.

Yeah, it would've sucked to lose Newton for the final few minutes of the game, but it just boils down to, do you have a protocol or not? This is also another thing that hurts the players' leverage in CBA negotiations. They might have rightful claims such as playing games on Thursdays after a Sunday game as being unfair, but then you have players not caring about their own safety in cases like this.


So they have a protocol, use it to evaluate the player, and it is still somehow wrong? Sorry man, that is garbage. They followed procedure and cleared Newton to play but that isn’t good enough. Nothing but a hatchet job article.


I'm just going to ask simply, did you watch the game? Did you watch the play? Did you watch the aftermath of the play? Did you watch him try to jog off the field and stumble to a knee? That doesn't happen because a guy got poked in the eye. Cameras caught everything, even close-ups of him immediately after the play, and we aren't talking about a poke in the eye. This was a textbook "getting your bell rung" case. The Panthers are shamefully making up a story here. And even if they aren't, protocol was still not followed. He should have been taken to the locker room for evaluation, and it doesn't matter how much time is left in the game.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22004804/carolina-panthers-handling-cam-newton-injury-review

From that article...

According to the revised rule, a player is required to go to the locker room for evaluation if he is found to demonstrate "gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).''


Lets be real probably everyone in the nfl has some brain damage they know the risks involved and choose to do it anyway. They get well compensated for that fact and its a fair trade

Cam is a grown man and can speak for himself. If this isn't a big deal to him I don't see the need to fine his team on his behave.

Now if your the GM you might want to reconsider your coaches who think its a good idea to risk your star QB's career but I didn't see the play so I don't know how bad of a coaching decision it was
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject:

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And the league shouldn't leave it up to the player any longer, and that's why the protocol is in place. The team (and Cam) obviously didn't want to play the remainder of the game without him, so they made up a story. This is where the independent league medical personnel and/or spotter is supposed to take control and require that the protocol is followed. And that didn't happen here. At a minimum, a hefty fine is almost assuredly coming. Seattle got docked a 100K fine earlier in the year for not following the protocol with Russell Wilson, and Newton was far more dazed after his play, literally falling to a knee after trying to jog it off.
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And the league shouldn't leave it up to the player any longer, and that's why the protocol is in place. The team (and Cam) obviously didn't want to play the remainder of the game without him, so they made up a story. This is where the independent league medical personnel and/or spotter is supposed to take control and require that the protocol is followed. And that didn't happen here. At a minimum, a hefty fine is almost assuredly coming. Seattle got docked a 100K fine earlier in the year for not following the protocol with Russell Wilson, and Newton was far more dazed after his play, literally falling to a knee after trying to jog it off.


If the punishment is only 100k the NFL is saying they don't care. Cam Newton doesn't care, the team doesn't care and the fans don't seem to care. Only you do I'm not really sure why
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject:

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Lets be real probably everyone in the nfl has some brain damage they know the risks involved and choose to do it anyway. They get well compensated for that fact and its a fair trade

Cam is a grown man and can speak for himself. If this isn't a big deal to him I don't see the need to fine his team on his behave.


You misunderstand the situation. This isn’t some feel-good rule. This is protection for the NFL and its product. The same is true for the targeting rules. Cam’s opinion on the matter is irrelevant. In fact, I think the rule needs to be revised to provide for an automatic one game suspension for any player who interferes with the protocol.

The league has already agreed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to former players. Whether you think the NFL should be liable or not, the hard, cold reality is that the league does in fact run the risk of liability. I would be surprised if the league does not crucify the Panthers over this stunt. That’s why the Panthers are so eager to create a different narrative.

The Panthers could, of course, be telling the truth. That’s why we have investigations.
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Lets be real probably everyone in the nfl has some brain damage they know the risks involved and choose to do it anyway. They get well compensated for that fact and its a fair trade

Cam is a grown man and can speak for himself. If this isn't a big deal to him I don't see the need to fine his team on his behave.


You misunderstand the situation. This isn’t some feel-good rule. This is protection for the NFL and its product. The same is true for the targeting rules. Cam’s opinion on the matter is irrelevant. In fact, I think the rule needs to be revised to provide for an automatic one game suspension for any player who interferes with the protocol.

The league has already agreed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to former players. Whether you think the NFL should be liable or not, the hard, cold reality is that the league does in fact run the risk of liability. I would be surprised if the league does not crucify the Panthers over this stunt. That’s why the Panthers are so eager to create a different narrative.

The Panthers could, of course, be telling the truth. That’s why we have investigations.


I get that you guys think its a protocol issues and are mad at the Panthers and the league for not protecting their players.

What I'm saying is the enforcement of the protocol is so weak that it shouldn't even exist. I don't think anything will happen to the Panthers besides a slap on the wrist.

Really you guys want more enforcement of safety protocols for football and I'm saying no one in football cares enough to enforce those rules.
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I get that you guys think its a protocol issues and are mad at the Panthers and the league for not protecting their players.

What I'm saying is the enforcement of the protocol is so weak that it shouldn't even exist. I don't think anything will happen to the Panthers besides a slap on the wrist.

Really you guys want more enforcement of safety protocols for football and I'm saying no one in football cares enough to enforce the rules.


I have no idea how you took that meaning from what I wrote. This is about the NFL protecting itself and its product.
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I get that you guys think its a protocol issues and are mad at the Panthers and the league for not protecting their players.

What I'm saying is the enforcement of the protocol is so weak that it shouldn't even exist. I don't think anything will happen to the Panthers besides a slap on the wrist.

Really you guys want more enforcement of safety protocols for football and I'm saying no one in football cares enough to enforce the rules.


I have no idea how you took that meaning from what I wrote. This is about the NFL protecting itself and its product.


I went back and reread what you wrote I think your saying we need strict league wide concussion protocols that need to be enforced to protect the NFL's product


Actually the more I think about it there should be NFL doctors on the field who arent affiliated with the teams that get last say in a players return like doctors and referees in boxing
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I went back and reread what you wrote I think your saying we need strict league wide concussion protocols that need to be enforced to protect the NFL's product


Actually the more I think about it there should be NFL doctors on the field who arent affiliated with the teams that get last say in a players return like doctors and referees in boxing


Not exactly. I'm saying that the league thinks that. And it's probably right.

Personally, I have no dog in the hunt. If players are willing to take this risk, good for them. The only thing that I worry about is that the kids who get drafted into the NFL are often too young to realize that they aren't bulletproof. They aren't worried about their quality of life 20-30 years down the road. At that age, I wasn't worrying about how my life choices would affect my health at age 50 or 60. But these kids are legally adults, so they get to make their own mistakes.

On your second point, there are already "unaffiliated neurotrauma consultants" in the process. The process is not working well with QBs, as we have seen with Wilson, Savage, and now Newton.
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I get that you guys think its a protocol issues and are mad at the Panthers and the league for not protecting their players.

What I'm saying is the enforcement of the protocol is so weak that it shouldn't even exist. I don't think anything will happen to the Panthers besides a slap on the wrist.

Really you guys want more enforcement of safety protocols for football and I'm saying no one in football cares enough to enforce the rules.


I have no idea how you took that meaning from what I wrote. This is about the NFL protecting itself and its product.


I went back and reread what you wrote I think your saying we need strict league wide concussion protocols that need to be enforced to protect the NFL's product


Actually the more I think about it there should be NFL doctors on the field who arent affiliated with the teams that get last say in a players return like doctors and referees in boxing


I thought that the neurologists performing the concussion protocol were employed by the league? It is a simple process, prior to the season certain questions were asked and a baseline is established. During the process, those same questions are asked and compared to the baseline. It can only take a few minutes.

I am a big Saints fan and was into the game so I am not certain, but didn’t Cam go into the tent? Whenever medical licenses are at stake I feel confident that the right thing was done. I coach kids and one of my players would have never returned to the field, but the NFL is a different animal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:47 pm    Post subject:

The real possibility of seeing Tom Brady and the Patriots being in another AFC Championship game/Super Bowl again, is just torture and a freaking nightmare that seems to never end.

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Packers re-hire Joe Philbin as OC and hire Mike Pettine as DC. Philbin was over his head as a head coach but he's a damn good coordinator. Anyone's better than Capers at this point so Pettine is an upgrade for now.

Seahawks fire OC Darrell Bevell and DC Kris Richard.
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Packers re-hire Joe Philbin as OC and hire Mike Pettine as DC. Philbin was over his head as a head coach but he's a damn good coordinator. Anyone's better than Capers at this point so Pettine is an upgrade for now.

Seahawks fire OC Darrell Bevell and DC Kris Richard.


Bevell was an abysmal play-caller, so I can't imagine their OC next season will be a step down.
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The real possibility of seeing Tom Brady and the Patriots being in another AFC Championship game/Super Bowl again, is just torture and a freaking nightmare that seems to never end.

Jeezus!


And with that ugly logo too..

don't worry i think the Steelers will have something to say about it. I don't think the Patsies have Pitts number anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:39 am    Post subject:

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Liger24Zero wrote:
The real possibility of seeing Tom Brady and the Patriots being in another AFC Championship game/Super Bowl again, is just torture and a freaking nightmare that seems to never end.

Jeezus!


And with that ugly logo too..

don't worry i think the Steelers will have something to say about it. I don't think the Patsies have Pitts number anymore.


I agree and I do think the Steelers have closed the gap, but I think it's a big deal that the game would be played in Foxboro. I think the Steelers would have won had it been in Pittsburgh. They just play so well there, and, like many teams, aren't nearly as good on the road.
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