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raffi
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 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:59 pm Post subject: Ding: Magic's Damning Case Against Jim and Mitch |
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693926-magic-johnson-will-have-a-damning-case-against-jim-buss-and-mitch-kupchak
| Quote: | Magic Johnson is about to see if Lakers executives Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak have any explanation for the mishaps that have driven the legendary Los Angeles Lakers to four of the worst seasons in franchise history.
As team president Jeanie Buss' new adviser, Johnson is meeting with Buss and general manager Kupchak on Monday to review their job performance. It is likely a significant step toward replacing both men in charge of basketball operations come April.
But as team president Jeanie Buss' new adviser, Johnson first wants to see if Jim Buss and Kupchak have any answers. |
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RMurphy_22
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Read this earlier...very painful. To miss out on Isiah Thomas, Hasson Whiteside because of a Sacre crush, and Cp3 by not moving Bynum...we have killed ourselves. It's time for a change one way or another. It's ok not to fire Mitch, perhaps make him head scout but we need new eyes at GM. Jim Buss can just step back and collect a paycheck.
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tnell
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I see Jeanie's mouthpiece is at work |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL, never knew why Sacre kept on showing up on our roster year after year....I guess this explains it.... |
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bum2
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Could switch the names around in the headline and write an article on that. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| tnell wrote: | | I see Jeanie's mouthpiece is at work |
And Phil's for Knicks. 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ding doesn't deserve a thread on here. Lock this ish up!
Haha sorry, I just really dislike Ding right now! |
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lakersken80
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Not a surprise though. Most family run sports franchises don't do well when the patriach of the family dies....George Steinbrenner of the Yankees and Jerry Buss are two examples of how the kids can't replicate the success of their father. What you get is usually decisions by committee instead of one person. |
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Runway8
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Either Jeannie Buss is lying when she says she stays out of the basketball side, or Ding should have been a boxer with his reach. Because that's a lot of inside info.
Anyway, this is sad. Don't think this thing is going to die down or go away, Magic/Jeannie/Ding team is coming. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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The writing is on the wall Jimmy.
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augus7
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Man, such a shame that Ding's doing lip service for Jeannie.
I loved reading his work back when I still read bleacher report. |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | https://twitter.com/LakerFilmRoom/status/833771288661352448 |
There's a LOT of revisionist history going on with Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak and it's really unfair.
It's like people totally disregard the fact that the two fo them built a championship team that went to 3 straight finals and won 2 of them. People act as if Jim only took over when Dr Buss died even though he was head of basketball operations LONG before that. In fact when the Lakers were rebuilding back in the mid 2000's Jim and Mitch were blamed for not doing anything (just like now). They built a championship team but people now refuse to give them credit for it.
The CP3 deal was praised for being a master stroke and now all of a sudden it's Mitch and Jim's fault that the deal didn't work even though the League totally screwed them and Jeanie at the time didn't put up much of a fight to make things right.
The deals for Dwight and Nash were almost universally praised at the time and nobody could have predicted how terribly things would turn out. The only mistake they made in that scenario was the coaches they hired (Mike Brown then Mike D'Antoni).
Mitch and Jim have definitely made their fair share of mistakes, but the fact that the NBA landscape has been shifting underneath their feet has been ignored. The Lakers weren't the only team affected, but they're the only team that's expected to turn nothing into a dynasty overnight. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Not a surprise though. Most family run sports franchises don't do well when the patriach of the family dies....George Steinbrenner of the Yankees and Jerry Buss are two examples of how the kids can't replicate the success of their father. What you get is usually decisions by committee instead of one person. |
Rooney family. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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That's the nail in the coffin.
Tell me why this article makes Jim Buss seem like the Mad King from Game of thrones?
House Buss is about to be lit
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jeanie about to make a move and needs to leak it through the the media again .
Tired act |
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As I said in another thread, even if most of this seems to be based on real facts for the most park, it was still painful to read. So one sided. Not proper journalism at all IMO.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| If Jim and Mitch are on there way out, I'm curious to see who we bring in, I could see one of the busses getting the nod, but I think we need someone who already knows basketball and has recent winning experience. |
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Not a surprise though. Most family run sports franchises don't do well when the patriach of the family dies....George Steinbrenner of the Yankees and Jerry Buss are two examples of how the kids can't replicate the success of their father. What you get is usually decisions by committee instead of one person. |
Rooney family. |
Key word being most....there will always be exceptions. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| RMurphy_22 wrote: | | Read this earlier...very painful. To miss out on Isiah Thomas, Hasson Whiteside because of a Sacre crush, and Cp3 by not moving Bynum...we have killed ourselves. It's time for a change one way or another. It's ok not to fire Mitch, perhaps make him head scout but we need new eyes at GM. Jim Buss can just step back and collect a paycheck. |
Mitch and Jim definitely needs to be accountable
If they had Isiah, there would be no DLO
Whiteside decision had no connection to Bynum, whom they traded to get Howard - something that Magic fully endorsed
Jeanie lost CP3 when she was in. Governors Meeting with Stern and didn't try to stop King David Stern's basketball decision that was decided by three GMs much more knowledgeable that than the Commissioner on trades
Magic is definitely charismatic and knows basketball
His record as coach and as an observer that fully endorsed the Howard and Nash acquisitions that turned sour
As we have seen with Phil, being a successful GM requires more skills than what Magic presently has |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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First, the Dodgers McCourt divorce drama, now the Buss sibling rivalry. My beloved L.A. teams don't deserve these nutjob owners.
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Never forget what really matters:
| Quote: | On top of living across the country from Jackson, Jeanie suffered a profound loss of another sort a year ago: Her dog died.
Princess Cujo was a 12-year-old Maltese. Jeanie, 54, has no children, and in her 2010 book Laker Girl, she referred to Princess—it was the devious Jackson who added the edgy middle name "Cujo" to provide the dog a more balanced identity—as "the center of my life outside of basketball and work." |
| Quote: | Kupchak was described by one longtime co-worker as someone who "compartmentalizes" everything.
His 15-year-old daughter, Alina, died in January 2015 after a lengthy illness. Few Lakers people had any idea in advance.
For what is a family business, Jim Buss and Kupchak aren't the sort to foster a family feeling in the office, which is part of Jeanie's complaint. |
#RIPPrincessCujo |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Not a surprise though. Most family run sports franchises don't do well when the patriach of the family dies....George Steinbrenner of the Yankees and Jerry Buss are two examples of how the kids can't replicate the success of their father. What you get is usually decisions by committee instead of one person. |
Ironically, you can make a case that Jim has tried to emulate his father too much in a different Era with different rules.
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Deathstroke
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no problems with the article. Jim and Mitch have driven this great franchise the ground and deserve to get lambasted like this. Lots of facts in this article shedding more light on the poor decision making and leadership from Mitch and Jim. I can't wait until they're gone hopefully after this season |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone find it humorous that in this tale of how the Lakers franchise went off of the rails and lost a ton of games, there's no mention of a certain 2 year, $48.5M extension?
Wonder why that is.  |
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