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MorrissYe
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| D's Advocate wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Anyone find it humorous that in this tale of how the Lakers franchise went off of the rails and lost a ton of games, there's no mention of a certain 2 year, $48.5M extension?
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I'm convinced this was a promise from Dr. Buss before he passed. I remember there was a quote from Dr. Buss about when he talked Kobe off the ledge and brought him back to the fold and he mentioned there was some stuff only to be between him and Kobe. Out of all the decisions, extending Kobe was one of the best ones. It allowed the team to tank while keeping ticket sales high. As a season ticket holder, it was amazing. |
I believe so as well. Dr. Buss considered his star players family (which is why Shaq burning bridges in 04 hurt him so much) and I think the contract was one of his last wishes to Jeanie/Jim/Mitch so that Kobe can retire a Laker.
That said, I don't understand how people can actually fault Kobe for accepting that big ass contract. He was a 34 year old who, while still productive, was past his prime - coming off a torn Achilles. He wasn't exactly entertaining plenty of suitors. Not to mention his kids grew up around the area. The Lakers had all the leverage in the world to give him a more manageable deal that will allow him to retire with us, yet they still put him on max money. Let's be real, no one in their right mind will decline that much, no matter how much they love their city or team. |
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That's a fantastic Hatchet job by Ding. Mitch deserves way better. Shame on Jeanie and Magic.
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splashmtn
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| RMurphy_22 wrote: | | Read this earlier...very painful. To miss out on Isiah Thomas, Hasson Whiteside because of a Sacre crush, and Cp3 by not moving Bynum...we have killed ourselves. It's time for a change one way or another. It's ok not to fire Mitch, perhaps make him head scout but we need new eyes at GM. Jim Buss can just step back and collect a paycheck. |
you took all of that out of context.
we didnt miss out on I.thomas. we didnt want him that much. why? as great of a scorer he is. he can't do much of anything else for you. You have to have all the other pieces in place first in order for him to succeed on your team. i'm saying, he would've just been our lou williams. thats it. a lot of points in a losing effort. he can't guard anyone since he's so darn small. he isnt a floor general at all.
you sign him and we win about the same amt of games. lets say we win 3 more. we lose out on one of our picks. think about that for a moment.
we didnt miss out on whiteside. everyone did for a reason. didnt another team actually have him on the squad and sent him packing? sometimes guys pan out better at certain places. good for him. thats not a mitch and jim miss.
And no way in hell we give up bynum for cp3. we had bynum going for dwight. how easily yall forget. we already had the two deals lined up. first was cp3, 2nd was dwight. if we give up drew and too much other stuff we can't get dwight. and its not about dwight leaving. he left because we never had cp3 as our future pg when kobe retires. we had a broken down steve nash. thats why that nixed deal was what killed the lakers these past few years. not jim and mitch. that issue set us back 5+ years.
so lets say magic asked them why didnt they win out on the melo sweepstakes. melo was never going any where else. notice he didnt sign with any other team but the knicks for the money and he wanted to stay in NY because the lakers were not a good team and kobe was hurt and old.
lamarcus was never going to be a laker. he was hell bent on going back home and playing on a contender. we didnt have a contender we were in rebuilding mode.
no cp3 nixed deal. we are never in full rebuilding mode. then we easily get a lamarcus guy to join forces or a dwight to stay(i didnt like dwight but the principle still stands), or you could get a melo to maybe reconsider. cp3 is a lot more attractive than a hurt kobe and kids. |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | Hit piece or not, someone needed to answer for: 19-39 (this season), 17-65 (2016), 21-61 (2015) and 27-55 (2014)
That is unacceptable performance by any standard and it doesn't appear the future is bright either.
Mitch was lucky the organization was as patient as they were with him because he has done a miserable job the last 5 years and making a change was the obvious and correct decision. |
Wasn't Jeannie in full support of giving Kobe $48M for 2 years? I'd say that had a lot to do with the organization's erosion. |
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| Quote: | | He signed a long term contract with the Lakers in 1981 at the behest of Earvin "Magic" Johnson, who told owner Jerry Buss, "If we could get Mitch Kupchak, I know we could win", after the team's playoff upset. |
This doesn't mean (bleep) but's crazy how Magic essentially brought Mitch into the franchise 36 years ago and now he's the one who ultimately fired him. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Ding: Magic's Damning Case Against Jim and Mitch |
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| raffi wrote: | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693926-magic-johnson-will-have-a-damning-case-against-jim-buss-and-mitch-kupchak
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I'm getting sick reading this sh.
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business101
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| Like Steven A Smith said, Mitch got fired for his loyalty to Jim Buss. It is as simple of that. He was in the middle of a fight and he chose the wrong camp. As a consequence, he got canned. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| business101 wrote: | | Like Steven A Smith said, Mitch got fired for his loyalty to Jim Buss. It is as simple of that. He was in the middle of a fight and he chose the wrong camp. As a consequence, he got canned. |
There's been several reports citing players agents that have said Mitch was out of touch with the modern NBA and it's players.
that was probably just as big a reason. People sometime were great in the past, but can't adapt to changes, and get left behind.
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| P.K. wrote: | | business101 wrote: | | Like Steven A Smith said, Mitch got fired for his loyalty to Jim Buss. It is as simple of that. He was in the middle of a fight and he chose the wrong camp. As a consequence, he got canned. |
There's been several reports citing players agents that have said Mitch was out of touch with the modern NBA and it's players.
that was probably just as big a reason. People sometime were great in the past, but can't adapt to changes, and get left behind. |
That's not what was reported. |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | RMurphy_22 wrote: | | Read this earlier...very painful. To miss out on Isiah Thomas, Hasson Whiteside because of a Sacre crush, and Cp3 by not moving Bynum...we have killed ourselves. It's time for a change one way or another. It's ok not to fire Mitch, perhaps make him head scout but we need new eyes at GM. Jim Buss can just step back and collect a paycheck. |
you took all of that out of context.
we didnt miss out on I.thomas. we didnt want him that much. why? as great of a scorer he is. he can't do much of anything else for you. You have to have all the other pieces in place first in order for him to succeed on your team. i'm saying, he would've just been our lou williams. thats it. a lot of points in a losing effort. he can't guard anyone since he's so darn small. he isnt a floor general at all.
you sign him and we win about the same amt of games. lets say we win 3 more. we lose out on one of our picks. think about that for a moment.
we didnt miss out on whiteside. everyone did for a reason. didnt another team actually have him on the squad and sent him packing? sometimes guys pan out better at certain places. good for him. thats not a mitch and jim miss.
And no way in hell we give up bynum for cp3. we had bynum going for dwight. how easily yall forget. we already had the two deals lined up. first was cp3, 2nd was dwight. if we give up drew and too much other stuff we can't get dwight. and its not about dwight leaving. he left because we never had cp3 as our future pg when kobe retires. we had a broken down steve nash. thats why that nixed deal was what killed the lakers these past few years. not jim and mitch. that issue set us back 5+ years
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no cp3 nixed deal. we are never in full rebuilding mode. then we easily get a lamarcus guy to join forces or a dwight to stay(i didnt like dwight but the principle still stands), or you could get a melo to maybe reconsider. cp3 is a lot more attractive than a hurt kobe and kids. |
Completely agree. This was a hit piece that used facts from an alternate universe.
The thing is, I can see the need to make a change, even if just for the sake of making a change because it isn't working, but the way Magic and Jeannie went about it was not right. they could have shown a little bit more class and respect. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| P.K. wrote: | | business101 wrote: | | Like Steven A Smith said, Mitch got fired for his loyalty to Jim Buss. It is as simple of that. He was in the middle of a fight and he chose the wrong camp. As a consequence, he got canned. |
There's been several reports citing players agents that have said Mitch was out of touch with the modern NBA and it's players.
that was probably just as big a reason. People sometime were great in the past, but can't adapt to changes, and get left behind. |
Only true to some degree but not a big factor. Sure he got owned in free agent signing but his hand was tight by Jim Buss. As far as his indifferent and dull personality, some players might be turn off but not a big factor. The big factor is the reputation of Jim Buss and no players and agents have a respect for him. He chose the wrong emperor to serve. |
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| JerryMagicKobe wrote: | | P.K. wrote: | | business101 wrote: | | Like Steven A Smith said, Mitch got fired for his loyalty to Jim Buss. It is as simple of that. He was in the middle of a fight and he chose the wrong camp. As a consequence, he got canned. |
There's been several reports citing players agents that have said Mitch was out of touch with the modern NBA and it's players.
that was probably just as big a reason. People sometime were great in the past, but can't adapt to changes, and get left behind. |
That's not what was reported. |
One of several similar reports, all mentioning similar issues
Ramona Shelburne of ESPN:
Said one player agent, who has dealt with Kupchak on several contracts, “He’s the only GM in the league who won’t engage at all before 9:01 p.m. [PT] on the first night of free agency. Then when he calls to express interest, there’s no stickiness to it.”
"Kupchak’s approach is commendable. The onus should be on the NBA to set clear and enforceable tampering rules and allow everything else. But that doesn’t appear to be happening any time soon, and in the meantime, the Lakers are falling behind. Not only do pre-July 1 conversations help make inroads with free agents, those talks reveal information that can be useful when formulating a plan."
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/09/nba-agent-mitch-kupchak-only-gm-who-wont-tamper-with-free-agents-before-july-1-disadvantages-lakers/
So, tampering is not allowed. Other GM's have figured out how to engage in discussions that don't violate the tampering rules. Mitch didn't. As a result, the Laker's were late to the party
Adapt or die, as the old saying goes.
and that was only 1 of multiple reports of similar problems. I still think the biggest problem was Jimbo, but Mitch's hands aren't entirely clean either.
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