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RusselDoeee01 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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He already helped out his two clients more than the lakers. |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Are we seriously To the point we get excited for a bottom 5 pick?? I understand the whole youth movement thing but adding more youth to this team isn't going to help out the growth of Russell and Ingram..
We are going to lose, and lose a lot. And for a basketball player, losing isn't a good habit to learn and grow from.
The pick is pretty much useless.
Ya clarkson, zubac, blah blah... yes it's possible to get talent late but far less likely.
It's easy to look past the fact that just because a late first round pick might be good on a bad team doesn't mean they are a player that will succeed on a good team |
The pick pretty much is useless if we can't use it in a trade. |
Simple question: are Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac useful?
Don't side step the question and respond off topic, just answer honestly. |
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10scott10 Star Player
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 7428 Location: Making the games you play
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Are we seriously To the point we get excited for a bottom 5 pick?? I understand the whole youth movement thing but adding more youth to this team isn't going to help out the growth of Russell and Ingram..
We are going to lose, and lose a lot. And for a basketball player, losing isn't a good habit to learn and grow from.
The pick is pretty much useless.
Ya clarkson, zubac, blah blah... yes it's possible to get talent late but far less likely.
It's easy to look past the fact that just because a late first round pick might be good on a bad team doesn't mean they are a player that will succeed on a good team |
The pick pretty much is useless if we can't use it in a trade. |
Simple question: are Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac useful?
Don't side step the question and respond off topic, just answer honestly. |
They are good players, but none of them seem like they will franchise changers (maybe Zubac, but its super early). But then again, we just got rid of the guys who picked them and built our scouting staff, so I'm not as confident that we will be able to continue our success |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144432 Location: The Gold Coast
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Are we seriously To the point we get excited for a bottom 5 pick?? I understand the whole youth movement thing but adding more youth to this team isn't going to help out the growth of Russell and Ingram..
We are going to lose, and lose a lot. And for a basketball player, losing isn't a good habit to learn and grow from.
The pick is pretty much useless.
Ya clarkson, zubac, blah blah... yes it's possible to get talent late but far less likely.
It's easy to look past the fact that just because a late first round pick might be good on a bad team doesn't mean they are a player that will succeed on a good team |
The pick pretty much is useless if we can't use it in a trade. |
Simple question: are Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac useful?
Don't side step the question and respond off topic, just answer honestly. |
I hope they will be. Adding two more kids to this roster is a waste if no one is traded. Not to mention the guy who drafted them is gone. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | BigGameHames wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Are we seriously To the point we get excited for a bottom 5 pick?? I understand the whole youth movement thing but adding more youth to this team isn't going to help out the growth of Russell and Ingram..
We are going to lose, and lose a lot. And for a basketball player, losing isn't a good habit to learn and grow from.
The pick is pretty much useless.
Ya clarkson, zubac, blah blah... yes it's possible to get talent late but far less likely.
It's easy to look past the fact that just because a late first round pick might be good on a bad team doesn't mean they are a player that will succeed on a good team |
The pick pretty much is useless if we can't use it in a trade. |
Simple question: are Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac useful?
Don't side step the question and respond off topic, just answer honestly. |
I hope they will be. Adding two more kids to this roster is a waste if no one is traded. Not to mention the guy who drafted them is gone. |
Why is that a waste? |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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The top 3 pick this year has more franchise potential than any player we have. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | The top 3 pick this year has more franchise potential than any player we have. |
Russell was a better prospect than anyone in this draft not named Fultz, so....no. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. | Or you build patiently till the kids turn 25+ |
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RusselDoeee01 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. | Or you build patiently till the kids turn 25+ |
Ya until they get to 25 and they don't pan out like you thought they would. Then you just wasted 4 years and have to start over again |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. |
And we are building towards being a successful team. Those young players can help that and hopefully we see more success as they grow up |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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RusselDoeee01 wrote: | tox wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. | Or you build patiently till the kids turn 25+ |
Ya until they get to 25 and they don't pan out like you thought they would. Then you just wasted 4 years and have to start over again |
If you think they're not gonna pan out, sell high. That's what the Sixers did with MCW and it was brilliant.
There's a difference between that and trading guys just because good teams are usually not younger than 25 (which is what VLF said and what I responded to.) |
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FreakofNature Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. |
And we are building towards being a successful team. Those young players can help that and hopefully we see more success as they grow up |
If we are lucky enough to add a top 3 pick, bring in a 27th and 32nd to go with it, all about 19 to 21. Add them in with DLO/Ingram/Randle/Zubac/nance/Clarkson/Black the average age will be at about 21.5 or so by next season. But this core can grow up together, and by the time they reach an average age of 25 4 years from now will then be ready to contend. The warriors main 4 will be leaving prime time, the timing will be right.
Plus with steady improvement, a top 15 FA can join the young and upcoming young guns in a couple years.... |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think Pelinka will get Bosh to come to Lakers on a one year low risk deal after we (hopefully) get Paul George _________________ 24 |
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underdogsgv Starting Rotation
Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Posts: 124 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | non-player zealot wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | I am excited about Pelinka.
As I posted in another thread, I like his youth and the fact that he is an agent with contacts all over the league and recent experience with cap and associated issues.
He played D1 ball at Michigan if I remember right, he got minutes also. I like the fact that he will hopefully bring new ideas, new plans and be aggressive.
Great hire, good job Magic! |
He's actually in one of the Fab 5's most known higlights. He did a spinning layup off of a nifty Webber pass, probably a behind the back. Then our GM made a unique spin looking move-thing and put it in. They always show said clip in montages. |
I remember him there....but I was trying to recall, was he the 6th man during the Fab 5's FR and SO years? Probably not the best way to say this, but I recall the 6th man was a white guy, but I do not recall if it was him. I can remember him dropping shots in the national title game against Eric Montross's UNC team....and Michigan lost when CWebb tried to call TO when they did not have any....and got a technical. |
The Fab 5 team was top heavy as to be expected. Technically Eric Riley (big lanky C/PF) got the most minutes off the bench for that Michigan team but I guess you could say Pelinka was the 7th man. He was a pretty decent outside shooter who backed up the 2 swingmen (Ray Jackson and Jimmy King). |
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Stumpy25 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Finally the Lakers have done what I've been waiting for these horrible last 4 years. It all starts at the top folks. You need winners as owners in order to produce a winner. As above so below. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Stumpy25 wrote: | Finally the Lakers have done what I've been waiting for these horrible last 4 years. It all starts at the top folks. You need winners as owners in order to produce a winner. As above so below. | By the time this FO is done, we're gonna be winning so much we'll be sick of winning. They know winners, folks. |
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Stumpy25 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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BigGameHames wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Are we seriously To the point we get excited for a bottom 5 pick?? I understand the whole youth movement thing but adding more youth to this team isn't going to help out the growth of Russell and Ingram..
We are going to lose, and lose a lot. And for a basketball player, losing isn't a good habit to learn and grow from.
The pick is pretty much useless.
Ya clarkson, zubac, blah blah... yes it's possible to get talent late but far less likely.
It's easy to look past the fact that just because a late first round pick might be good on a bad team doesn't mean they are a player that will succeed on a good team |
The pick pretty much is useless if we can't use it in a trade. |
Simple question: are Clarkson, Nance, and Zubac useful?
Don't side step the question and respond off topic, just answer honestly. |
I think if you can keep Nance and Zubac you do it. Clarkson very low IQ player move him if you can. I know Magic speaks highly of Nance and considers Zubac a good backup center.
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Ujah's Goat Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | The top 3 pick this year has more franchise potential than any player we have. |
Russell was a better prospect than anyone in this draft not named Fultz, so....no. |
Key word. |
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Ujah's Goat Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | What a day in Lakerland.
The Purge, Lou Traded and now this. |
All good moves as of now. Wonder what will happen next? |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ujah's Goat wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | The top 3 pick this year has more franchise potential than any player we have. |
Russell was a better prospect than anyone in this draft not named Fultz, so....no. |
Key word. |
I mean, you're a prospect until you're not, and you're an NBA player instead.
I'd take Russell over Ball or DSJ. Both in judging their college seasons, and including where Russell is now. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ujah's Goat wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | The top 3 pick this year has more franchise potential than any player we have. |
Russell was a better prospect than anyone in this draft not named Fultz, so....no. |
Key word. |
Wait until they miss. |
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Ujah's Goat Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Are we seriously To the point we get excited for a bottom 5 pick?? I understand the whole youth movement thing but adding more youth to this team isn't going to help out the growth of Russell and Ingram..
We are going to lose, and lose a lot. And for a basketball player, losing isn't a good habit to learn and grow from.
The pick is pretty much useless.
Ya clarkson, zubac, blah blah... yes it's possible to get talent late but far less likely.
It's easy to look past the fact that just because a late first round pick might be good on a bad team doesn't mean they are a player that will succeed on a good team |
The pick pretty much is useless if we can't use it in a trade. |
In light of your worry that Pelinka-Rockets connection might cost us draft picks just a page or two ago, I am a little surprised by your post here. He did the exact opposite of your concern and got us an additional pick. Isn't that a good thing? |
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Ujah's Goat Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. |
Would you have written this if Jim and Mitch were still on board? |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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RusselDoeee01 wrote: | tox wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Look at the successful teams. None of them play a rotation of kids under 25.
Now using some in trades to get established players is a good idea. | Or you build patiently till the kids turn 25+ |
Ya until they get to 25 and they don't pan out like you thought they would. Then you just wasted 4 years and have to start over again | with that thinking. gstate would've never become gstate.
here's the reality people. You are going to have to trust something. you can't second guess every single move. if we keep the kids and let them grow up together. thats gstate. If we move some for older guys thats the old way of doing things. Both ways could work assuming if we moved the kids we moved them for the right top level talent. not just allstars. but i'm talking 1A and 1B players. and non over the hill. 28 at the oldest.
no old heads. sorry. we've tried that already. didnt work well for us. so time to go a bit younger. but who's going to give us their franchise player?
and which franchise player is going to leave all that money on the table?
these are the same issues that jim, mitch had. |
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