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nash
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| fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back. |
You have no idea if that is true or not, im willing to bet a few teams are gonna show interest in Moz and Deng this summer, even if we get low value offers, nonetheless, teams will go after them as placeholders. |
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KindCrippler2000
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| To me, Brewer still has his legs, which is why he can be more effective than Deng in the coming seasons. Even though he's sometimes out of control on offense, he has the lateral speed to keep up with opponents. He can be an outright pest on defense at times. With Deng, the speed and lift are almost gone. He has lift in one half of the game, only for it to disappear in the second half. A while ago, I talked about how he reminds me a lot of post-Achilles Kobe, and that's entirely understandable since Deng's been in the league since 2004. |
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iimarshon
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They'll be on this team until we stretch/waive them.
Its not worth adding picks or a guy like Nance to get rid of them.
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PHILosophize
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| iimarshon wrote: | They'll be on this team until we stretch/waive them.
Its not worth adding picks or a guy like Nance to get rid of them. |
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Lucky_Shot
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back. |
You have no idea if that is true or not, im willing to bet a few teams are gonna show interest in Moz and Deng this summer, even if we get low value offers, nonetheless, teams will go after them as placeholders. |
Umm I cant see that happening. Deng and Moz have the worst contracts on the planet what gm could taking on those contracts and keep his job? Maybe we can trade them in 2018 but not this summer |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back. |
You have no idea if that is true or not, im willing to bet a few teams are gonna show interest in Moz and Deng this summer, even if we get low value offers, nonetheless, teams will go after them as placeholders. |
Umm I cant see that happening. Deng and Moz have the worst contracts on the planet what gm could taking on those contracts and keep his job? Maybe we can trade them in 2018 but not this summer |
They don't particularly have the worst contract, they can help playoff teams or young teams, our problem with them is that we bought them here when we valued the young players growth when these guys wanted to get PT. |
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Mini Mamba
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How about Mozgov and Brewer for Crabbe and Leonard?
Portland gets a solid backup center in Mozgov who could be a mentor to Nurkic and Brewer's expiring contract which would save them money.
We get back a really good shooter in Crabbe who is from LA and Leonard who would give us a big that can stretch the floor. |
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| four years |
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Tony Anapolis
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | How about Mozgov and Brewer for Crabbe and Leonard?
Portland gets a solid backup center in Mozgov who could be a mentor to Nurkic and Brewer's expiring contract which would save them money.
We get back a really good shooter in Crabbe who is from LA and Leonard who would give us a big that can stretch the floor. |
I think we have to give them a pick to even consider. |
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Mini Mamba
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| Tony Anapolis wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | How about Mozgov and Brewer for Crabbe and Leonard?
Portland gets a solid backup center in Mozgov who could be a mentor to Nurkic and Brewer's expiring contract which would save them money.
We get back a really good shooter in Crabbe who is from LA and Leonard who would give us a big that can stretch the floor. |
I think we have to give them a pick to even consider. |
Really? They would be trading two bad contracts for one which is a good deal for them. |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | Tony Anapolis wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | How about Mozgov and Brewer for Crabbe and Leonard?
Portland gets a solid backup center in Mozgov who could be a mentor to Nurkic and Brewer's expiring contract which would save them money.
We get back a really good shooter in Crabbe who is from LA and Leonard who would give us a big that can stretch the floor. |
I think we have to give them a pick to even consider. |
Really? They would be trading two bad contracts for one which is a good deal for them. |
Will be nice to see Pelinka pull off a deal like that. |
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unleasHell
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OJ will probably be out of prison before the Lakers have another winning season...
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| Laker_Town wrote: | | four years |
Naaaaa, 3.5 seasons...
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back. |
You have no idea if that is true or not, im willing to bet a few teams are gonna show interest in Moz and Deng this summer, even if we get low value offers, nonetheless, teams will go after them as placeholders. |
Umm I cant see that happening. Deng and Moz have the worst contracts on the planet what gm could taking on those contracts and keep his job? Maybe we can trade them in 2018 but not this summer |
They don't particularly have the worst contract, they can help playoff teams or young teams, our problem with them is that we bought them here when we valued the young players growth when these guys wanted to get PT. |
1. Playoff teams don't have cap space to take on contracts of Moz/Deng without losing a rotation player at least. (I think Chicago (19th) is the first team currently in the playoffs that is under the salary cap '18-19)
2. Young teams wouldn't want their contracts as they need the cap space for the coming extentions.
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I think 1 will be stretched in 2018.
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| Megaton wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I think 1 will be stretched in 2018. |
That's certainly possible.
New CBA not having an amnesty really hurts. |
Team won't stretch both and carry 13-14m in dead cap space for 5 years.
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | I don't like the idea of not playing them. Only makes the situation worse. At least play them and get their stats up, even taylor the offense a bit to fit their style. the young guns will still get plenty of time and we're losing anyway. the better Mozgov's and Deng's production the easier it would be to make a trade later. |
Exactly. These games mean nothing so why not try to get them going again or find some niche for them? Or is the plan to just have them rot on the bench for 3 more seasons?
By default these guys are a part of the future. If they were expiring this year it would make perfect sense but they're not. |
yeah, Lakers paid big money for them for three more seasons. It just doesn't make sense or look good. But i guess 'tanking' never looks good, if that is indeed the major reason |
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2020. They're untradeable until they become expiring contracts.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back. |
You have no idea if that is true or not, im willing to bet a few teams are gonna show interest in Moz and Deng this summer, even if we get low value offers, nonetheless, teams will go after them as placeholders. |
Umm I cant see that happening. Deng and Moz have the worst contracts on the planet what gm could taking on those contracts and keep his job? Maybe we can trade them in 2018 but not this summer |
They don't particularly have the worst contract, they can help playoff teams or young teams, our problem with them is that we bought them here when we valued the young players growth when these guys wanted to get PT. |
Ever consider both Moz and Deng looked at the roster and discussed the plan and their role for the year before they even signed? Both knew the plan was to still be a rebuild and likely lose games this season or more. That the young players would be given mpg to develop. And that there would be a high likelihood of DNPs by seasons end.
Have seen no indication that either player is complaining about playing time. They understand the situation. The team and their roles will be different next year.
Still believe they will be contributing as role players as the team gets more competitive over the next couple years. Or moved as part of a bigger trade. I understand that some dislike the contracts but these two are from useless as some seem to think. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | nash wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | ReaListik wrote: | | Gone this offseason |
only in our dreams because we're stuck with these two. |
We are probably moving picks/young talent for an established player, they are going to help making salaries match. |
You have Brewer and Black for that. No one would want to take Mozgov or Deng back. |
You have no idea if that is true or not, im willing to bet a few teams are gonna show interest in Moz and Deng this summer, even if we get low value offers, nonetheless, teams will go after them as placeholders. |
Umm I cant see that happening. Deng and Moz have the worst contracts on the planet what gm could taking on those contracts and keep his job? Maybe we can trade them in 2018 but not this summer |
They don't particularly have the worst contract, they can help playoff teams or young teams, our problem with them is that we bought them here when we valued the young players growth when these guys wanted to get PT. |
Ever consider both Moz and Deng looked at the roster and discussed the plan and their role for the year before they even signed? Both knew the plan was to still be a rebuild and likely lose games this season or more. That the young players would be given mpg to develop. And that there would be a high likelihood of DNPs by seasons end.
Have seen no indication that either player is complaining about playing time. They understand the situation. The team and their roles will be different next year.
Still believe they will be contributing as role players as the team gets more competitive over the next couple years. Or moved as part of a bigger trade. I understand that some dislike the contracts but these two are from useless as some seem to think. |
I agree, hopefully these guys can redeem themselves next year. |
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| I think we trade both in 2019 man between losing draft picks and these contracts Mitch screwed us big time. |
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