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| Rather have Carmelo Anthony and brook Lopez over these 2 guy. At least they are offensively productive |
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ringfinger
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| There is no way they are going to DNP Mozgov for 3 more years. If they're not going to play him, they'll amnesty him I'd imagine. Not like we have anyone else on big contracts anyway. |
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unleasHell
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, How about this tactic?
We know MozGoof sucks, we know he gets injured a lot, so after sitting him down for all these games, why not start him again and have him play 36 minutes (instead of his usual 21).
Sure his scoring may go up to 9 or 10 ppg (from his usual 7ppg) and sure his rebounds may go up to 5 or 6 (from his usual 4.2rpg) with the extra 15 minutes of playing time, but by playing him two things can/may happen:
1) He will singlehandedly ensure the Lakers get the Number 2 spot in the draft
and (most importantly)
2) He might get injured and if it is a career ending injury (cross your fingers), the Lakers could get all or part of his salary re-available!!!!
So Luke needs to get him back on the court and for BIG minutes...!
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tox
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | Ok, How about this tactic?
We know MozGoof sucks, we know he gets injured a lot, so after sitting him down for all these games, why not start him again and have him play 36 minutes (instead of his usual 21).
Sure his scoring may go up to 9 or 10 ppg (from his usual 7ppg) and sure his rebounds may go up to 5 or 6 (from his usual 4.2rpg) with the extra 15 minutes of playing time, but by playing him two things can/may happen:
1) He will singlehandedly ensure the Lakers get the Number 2 spot in the draft
and (most importantly)
2) He might get injured and if it is a career ending injury (cross your fingers), the Lakers could get all or part of his salary re-available!!!!
So Luke needs to get him back on the court and for BIG minutes...! |
You are terrible. |
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Bard207
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Links to 2017 and 2011 CBA
From the Table of Contents of the 2011 CBA:
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ARTICLE XXVII RIGHT OF SET-OFF ........................................ 293
Section 1. Set-off Calculation ................................................ 293
Section 2. Successive Terminations ........................................ 294
Section 3. Deferred Compensation ......................................... 294
Section 4. Waiver of Set-off Right.......................................... 295
Section 5. Amnesty Players .................................................. 295
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From the Table of Contents of the 2017 CBA:
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ARTICLE XXVII RIGHT OF SET-OFF ........................................ 373
Section 1. Set-off Calculation. ............................................... 373
Section 2. Successive Terminations........................................ 375
Section 3. Deferred Compensation. ....................................... 375
Section 4. Waiver of Set-off Right.......................................... 375
Section 5. Stretched Protected Salary..................................... 375
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | Ok, How about this tactic?
We know MozGoof sucks, we know he gets injured a lot, so after sitting him down for all these games, why not start him again and have him play 36 minutes (instead of his usual 21).
Sure his scoring may go up to 9 or 10 ppg (from his usual 7ppg) and sure his rebounds may go up to 5 or 6 (from his usual 4.2rpg) with the extra 15 minutes of playing time, but by playing him two things can/may happen:
1) He will singlehandedly ensure the Lakers get the Number 2 spot in the draft
and (most importantly)
2) He might get injured and if it is a career ending injury (cross your fingers), the Lakers could get all or part of his salary re-available!!!!
So Luke needs to get him back on the court and for BIG minutes...! |
All things considered, the team is better with him in the rotation so that wouldn't work. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | There is no way they are going to DNP Mozgov for 3 more years. If they're not going to play him, they'll amnesty him I'd imagine. Not like we have anyone else on big contracts anyway. |
Like mentioned before, there is no amnesty provision in the new CBA.
Therefore, only option is stretching them both.
Scenario #1: Waive in offseason:
- Luol @ $7.7M/7yrs
- Moz @ $6.8M/7yrs
Scenario #2: Waive next season or next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '17-18 then $7.2M/5yrs
- Moz @ $16M '17-18 then $6.4M/5yrs
Scenario #3: Waive next next season or next next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '18-19 then $6M/3yrs
- Moz @ $16M '18-19 then $5.3/3yrs
Dead cap money of:
1. $14.5M/7yrs
2. $13.6M/5yrs
3. $11.3M/3yrs
^Wonder if I did the math right? |
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fiendishoc
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Boldarblood
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: |
2) He might get injured and if it is a career ending injury (cross your fingers), the Lakers could get all or part of his salary re-available!!!!
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Completely low class man, you went full idiot. |
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tox
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It was pretty obvious how much we missed Moz today, honestly. |
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blackmamba08
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| OPMSm0k3r wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | There is no way they are going to DNP Mozgov for 3 more years. If they're not going to play him, they'll amnesty him I'd imagine. Not like we have anyone else on big contracts anyway. |
Like mentioned before, there is no amnesty provision in the new CBA.
Therefore, only option is stretching them both.
Scenario #1: Waive in offseason:
- Luol @ $7.7M/7yrs
- Moz @ $6.8M/7yrs
Scenario #2: Waive next season or next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '17-18 then $7.2M/5yrs
- Moz @ $16M '17-18 then $6.4M/5yrs
Scenario #3: Waive next next season or next next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '18-19 then $6M/3yrs
- Moz @ $16M '18-19 then $5.3/3yrs
Dead cap money of:
1. $14.5M/7yrs
2. $13.6M/5yrs
3. $11.3M/3yrs
^Wonder if I did the math right? |
Next year we are going to tank again, its obvious and who is better for tanking than these two guys. Slow, old, not motivated guys perfect for tanking. In the offseason 2018 we can waive them for cap space for FA's.
Simple. |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| nash wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | 3 more years after this one. |
Thanks Jeanie (when asked about Jim's deadline)!  |
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Jeanie didn't know who Mozgov and Deng were before this season. Can't blame those signings on her.
Meanwhile, we were the 2nd most profitable team in the league last year. She's done her job fine.
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They may be riding the Nick Young wave.
http://tinyurl.com/zksgonm
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:16 am Post subject: |
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That is more of an offensive issue, not a defensive one. No one can post a good defensive rating with all the early offense opportunities that come from an eFG of 40% when no one can space the floor. |
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fiendishoc
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tox
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| fiendishoc wrote: |
That is more of an offensive issue, not a defensive one. No one can post a good defensive rating with all the early offense opportunities that come from an eFG of 40% when no one can space the floor. |
0.54 assist-to-turnover ratio, lol. Of the MozDeng 197 min sans Nick:
131 Clarkson, 134 Randle, 115 Ingram, 63 Williams, 62 Calderon, 34 Russell
So it's hard to attribute it to no Nick when most of the minutes without Nick were without Russell as well. |
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lakersfan8
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| blackmamba08 wrote: | | OPMSm0k3r wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | There is no way they are going to DNP Mozgov for 3 more years. If they're not going to play him, they'll amnesty him I'd imagine. Not like we have anyone else on big contracts anyway. |
Like mentioned before, there is no amnesty provision in the new CBA.
Therefore, only option is stretching them both.
Scenario #1: Waive in offseason:
- Luol @ $7.7M/7yrs
- Moz @ $6.8M/7yrs
Scenario #2: Waive next season or next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '17-18 then $7.2M/5yrs
- Moz @ $16M '17-18 then $6.4M/5yrs
Scenario #3: Waive next next season or next next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '18-19 then $6M/3yrs
- Moz @ $16M '18-19 then $5.3/3yrs
Dead cap money of:
1. $14.5M/7yrs
2. $13.6M/5yrs
3. $11.3M/3yrs
^Wonder if I did the math right? |
Next year we are going to tank again, its obvious and who is better for tanking than these two guys. Slow, old, not motivated guys perfect for tanking. In the offseason 2018 we can waive them for cap space for FA's.
Simple. |
We are not tanking next year and Moz is a decent back up C. |
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| depends... when are they eligible for extensions? |
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Bard207
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | depends... when are they eligible for extensions? |
From the upcoming 2017 CBA:
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a) Veteran Extensions. No Player Contract, other than a Rookie
Scale Contract, may be extended except in accordance with the following:
(1) Subject to the rules set forth in Section 7(a)(2) below: (i) a
Player Contract covering a term of three (3) or four (4) Seasons
(including any Option Year) may be extended no sooner than the
second anniversary of the signing (or, as applicable, the extension)
of the Contract; and (ii) a Player Contract covering a term of five
(5) or six (6) Seasons may be extended no sooner than the third
anniversary of the signing (or, as applicable, the extension) of the
Article VII 217
Contract. A Player Contract covering a term of one (1) or two (2)
Seasons (including any Option Year) may not be extended. If a
player and Team seek to enter into an Extension pursuant to
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The first anniversary will be in summer 2017, so the second anniversary will be in summer 2018.
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Bard207
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| OPMSm0k3r wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | There is no way they are going to DNP Mozgov for 3 more years. If they're not going to play him, they'll amnesty him I'd imagine. Not like we have anyone else on big contracts anyway. |
Like mentioned before, there is no amnesty provision in the new CBA.
Therefore, only option is stretching them both.
Scenario #1: Waive in offseason:
- Luol @ $7.7M/7yrs
- Moz @ $6.8M/7yrs
Scenario #2: Waive next season or next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '17-18 then $7.2M/5yrs
- Moz @ $16M '17-18 then $6.4M/5yrs
Scenario #3: Waive next next season or next next offseason:
- Luol @ $18M '18-19 then $6M/3yrs
- Moz @ $16M '18-19 then $5.3/3yrs
Dead cap money of:
1. $14.5M/7yrs
2. $13.6M/5yrs
3. $11.3M/3yrs
^Wonder if I did the math right? |
What did you use for salaries?
Los Angeles Lakers Team Salary
Luol Deng
$17,190,000
$18,000,000
$18,810,000
Timofey Mozgov
$15,280,000
$16,000,000
$16,720,000
Los Angeles Lakers Team Payroll
Luol Deng 31
$17,190,000
$18,000,000
$18,810,000
Timofey Mozgov 30
$15,280,000
$16,000,000
$16,720,000
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Deng - $54,000,000
Charges against team salary in synch with payout to Deng.
1. No waiver
2. Waived before 9-1-2019
3. Waived before 9-1-2018
4. Waived before 9-1-2017
2017-18.............2018–19............2019–20............2020–21............2021–22............2022–23............2023–24
$17,190,000......$18,000,000......$18,810,000
$17,190,000.......$18,000,000.......$6,270,000.........$6,270,000.........$6,270,000
$17,190,000........$7,362,000........$7,362,000.........$7,362,000.........$7,362,000.........$7,362,000
$7,714,286..........$7,714,286........$7,714,286.........$7,714,286.........$7,714,286.........$7,714,286.........$7,714,286
Mozgov - $48,000,000
Charges against team salary in synch with payout to Mozgov.
1. No waiver
2. Waived before 9-1-2019
3. Waived before 9-1-2018
4. Waived before 9-1-2017
2017-18.............2018–19............2019–20............2020–21............2021–22............2022–23............2023–24
$15,280,000......$16,000,000......$16,720,000
$15,280,000......$16,000,000........$5,573,333..........$5,573,333..........$5,573,333
$15,280,000........$6,544,000.........$6,544,000.........$6,544,000.........$6,544,000.........$6,544,000
$6,857,143..........$6,857,143.........$6,857,143.........$6,857,143.........$6,857,143.........$6,857,143.........$6,857,143
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Depends, if we do get our max FA somehow (via trade or outright signing this summer) then I can see FO stretch one and attach the other one to a young prospect and trade for another vet (let Magic assemble 'his' team afterward) |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:50 am Post subject: |
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We clearly needed a SF/C in Free Agency. We should have moved on to the next option on both once the asking price got up to 3+ years.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: |
We clearly needed a SF/C in Free Agency. We should have moved on to the next option on both once the asking price got up to 3+ years. |
The problem is it will get no better after that. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| fontana3d wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: |
We clearly needed a SF/C in Free Agency. We should have moved on to the next option on both once the asking price got up to 3+ years. |
The problem is it will get no better after that. |
After what? Mozgov/Deng? There were smaller name options out there.
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