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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:09 pm    Post subject:

Nwaba has that Dfish defensive stance down pat.
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Is his contract non-guaranteed next year?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:53 am    Post subject:

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Is his contract non-guaranteed next year?


Nwaba signed a $1.4 million contract through the 2017-18 season.

The FO has until late June to pick up his option for next year.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:05 am    Post subject:

I hope we keep him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:13 am    Post subject:

he plays bigger than his size.

love watching him go up for rebounds and swat shots into the stands.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject:

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Is his contract non-guaranteed next year?


Nwaba signed a $1.4 million contract through the 2017-18 season.

The FO has until late June to pick up his option for next year.


I thought that too, but it looks like he is unguranteed next year, and a team option for 2018-2019.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject:

Even if his overall team defense awareness isn't there (he joined the team so late), I like how you can kind of bring him into the game to play physical defense on a hot player. We really didn't have that kind of player on the team until he came.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject:

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Even if his overall team defense awareness isn't there (he joined the team so late), I like how you can kind of bring him into the game to play physical defense on a hot player. We really didn't have that kind of player on the team until he came.


Agreed between Frodo, Calderon JC and DLO we had not one above average guard defender. So yes, Nwaba is much needed on this squad.

IMO it seems to me like it harder to learn to be a great defender than it is to learn how to shoot. I can't name very many players who came into the NBA as good offensive players/bad defenders who later became lock down defenders.

But I can name quite a few great defenders who later became quite good at offense.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject:

I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject:

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I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:52 am    Post subject:

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I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:53 am    Post subject:

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I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


Right. I wouldn't categorize him as a defensive lockdown stopper, but he does impose a level of physicality/athleticism that we don't have.

But in the context of a 14-17th roster spot, i'll gladly keep him.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:36 am    Post subject:

David Nwaba says he plans to play in Las Vegas Summer League

Los Angeles’ native son says he wants to do whatever it takes to make the final roster in the fall.

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Nwaba told the media during his season-ending exit interview that his original plan was to make the Lakers’ Las Vegas Summer League roster, and that he still plans to head out to the desert as a member of the Lakers.

“I’m ahead of schedule,” Nwaba said. “I’m excited about the off-season and ready to put in the hard work.”


http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/4/13/15296712/la-lakers-david-nwaba-stats-las-vegas-summer-league-d-fenders-call-up-cal-poly
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject:

tox wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


But for a rookie, above average is excellent.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject:

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tox wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


But for a rookie, above average is excellent.


Exactly. The great defenders of the league don't necessarily come into the league that way. Even Kobe was crap on that end until he realized the importance of it and dedicated himself a few years into his career.

What's important is that Nwaba already seems to be hanging his hat on defense and recognizing that's where the bulk of his NBA value is. And he's got all the tools, physically and athletically. That sequence where he forced Steph - STEPH, of all people - into an airballed 3 was beautiful to watch...until McCaw turned it into an alley oop highlight.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject:

tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


Another case of confusing activity over achievement. Granted, simply trying on defense can result in some positive things, but he's far from the stopper he is made out to be.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
tox wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


But for a rookie, above average is excellent.


He's also 24 - not quite a "rookie"
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject:

Cutheon wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


Another case of confusing activity over achievement. Granted, simply trying on defense can result in some positive things, but he's far from the stopper he is made out to be.


He was a great defender in the "D-League."

If he is ever able to become a great defender it will take some time and effort for him get up to that level in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


Another case of confusing activity over achievement. Granted, simply trying on defense can result in some positive things, but he's far from the stopper he is made out to be.


He was a great defender in the "D-League."

If he is ever able to become a great defender it will take some time and effort for him get up to that level in the NBA.


He needs to work on angles. He has the wingspan to cheat just the teensiest bit and recover, but he cheats too far. Kyrie was able to eat him alive because of that. (Granted, it's Kyrie, but it was the type of shots he was getting that was disappointing, not the fact that he was scoring.)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
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tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


Another case of confusing activity over achievement. Granted, simply trying on defense can result in some positive things, but he's far from the stopper he is made out to be.


He was a great defender in the "D-League."

If he is ever able to become a great defender it will take some time and effort for him get up to that level in the NBA.


took him about 5 minutes to become a better defender than most of our roster....dude has that core strength....would have been a stud Strong Safety or even weak side linebacker
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
tox wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


But for a rookie, above average is excellent.


DB, do you think Nwaba can grow into the role of an elite defender? I'm not too sure on the growth curves of a player like Nwaba. He's already 24 so I kind of imagine him to stay the player that he is.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
tox wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


But for a rookie, above average is excellent.


DB, do you think Nwaba can grow into the role of an elite defender? I'm not too sure on the growth curves of a player like Nwaba. He's already 24 so I kind of imagine him to stay the player that he is.


Age helps a little here, but you're still a rook when 1. You aren't used to the speed of the game at this level and 2. You aren't used to the tendencies of players when every night is the first night you've faced them. So despite the age, the experience just isn't there. And you see more activity than intelligent activity.

I definitley see a lot of mistakes but some great effort to recover and challenge on shots he had no business challenging on. Also some nice help reads. When he starts cutting down on the mistakes and now he's either recovering less or made up that extra beat of reaction time that rookies always lack, that's when he's in their jerseys more and making an impact.

So he definitley needs experience and probably a vet in his ear for a full season. Metta already said he's a great defender but needs to work on offense, so I don't know if he was teaching him anything from his bag of tricks on that end of the floor (but maybe Deng and Brewer can?) Or if we can finally hire a real defensive coach this offseason. Then, it's a matter of whether he commits to just being a great defender to trying to be an elite defender.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject:

oldschool32 wrote:
pio2u wrote:
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Is his contract non-guaranteed next year?


Nwaba signed a $1.4 million contract through the 2017-18 season.

The FO has until late June to pick up his option for next year.


I thought that too, but it looks like he is unguranteed next year, and a team option for 2018-2019.


I wanna keep him as most of you guys, but I don't think it's apparentive to keep him at all costs... especially considering we might have multiple draft players coming.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
tox wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
tox wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


I'm sure the numbers don't show it. But as a possible +15 (new CBA allows for 2 way roster spots) I would gladly keep him. Offers physicality (more than actual defensive stopper) that we badly needed.

I haven't even looked at the numbers. Just watching him, I felt his man defense was above average, not great.


But for a rookie, above average is excellent.


DB, do you think Nwaba can grow into the role of an elite defender? I'm not too sure on the growth curves of a player like Nwaba. He's already 24 so I kind of imagine him to stay the player that he is.


Age helps a little here, but you're still a rook when 1. You aren't used to the speed of the game at this level and 2. You aren't used to the tendencies of players when every night is the first night you've faced them. So despite the age, the experience just isn't there. And you see more activity than intelligent activity.

I definitley see a lot of mistakes but some great effort to recover and challenge on shots he had no business challenging on. Also some nice help reads. When he starts cutting down on the mistakes and now he's either recovering less or made up that extra beat of reaction time that rookies always lack, that's when he's in their jerseys more and making an impact.

So he definitley needs experience and probably a vet in his ear for a full season. Metta already said he's a great defender but needs to work on offense, so I don't know if he was teaching him anything from his bag of tricks on that end of the floor (but maybe Deng and Brewer can?) Or if we can finally hire a real defensive coach this offseason. Then, it's a matter of whether he commits to just being a great defender to trying to be an elite defender.


Appreciate the insight That does make me a little bit more optimistic about him then. Forcing Curry into an airball was definitely impressive.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
I really do not think Nwaba is a great defender


Out of curiosity, who do you think are good defenders on the Lakers, if any?
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