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| CervantesRises wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | ESPN LA talking about how LA didn’t negotiate the timing of the trade at all. They had Bobby Marks on and he’s the one who said it. They’re in stunned disbelief now discussing it. |
Terrible and not surprising if true but hopefully it works out. If they give fuss about it then pull out and take assets away like the number 4 pick if they won’t cave to the Lakers demands but if this is true I mean my God how many different ways can Rob and Gang screw up this team even when their handed extremely favorable situations like the 4 th pick and AD wants to come to LA
GT says it best!! There wasn’t any skill in these negotiations between Rob and Griffin on Robs behalf . Wish we had Griffin |
We get a 26 yo HoF talent for 2 injured kids with real flaws to their game when healthy...and somehow Rob is a scrub. Only in Laker land... |
Agreed. I think Pelinka could be up for GM of the year. He gave up nothing but "potential" for Davis. BI, LB and Hart are not franchise changers. In fact, none of our top draft picks have been "all that." Kuzma has been the best of the lot and we get to keep him.
I don't believe in vapor, and I especially don't believe in "potential." In fact, whenever you hear anyone talk about potential, that's a tacit admission of someone not cutting it. You're hoping that they get better and you couch it with a word like "potential."
Potential doesn't mean a thing. It never did. I put potential right next to wishful thinking. You cut it or you don't. BI, Hart, and Lonzo were not cutting it. We now have a player that cuts it, and it cost us 3 players that don't cut it, and draft picks that don't mean a thing. |
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | ESPN LA talking about how LA didn’t negotiate the timing of the trade at all. They had Bobby Marks on and he’s the one who said it. They’re in stunned disbelief now discussing it. |
Terrible and not surprising if true but hopefully it works out. If they give fuss about it then pull out and take assets away like the number 4 pick if they won’t cave to the Lakers demands but if this is true I mean my God how many different ways can Rob and Gang screw up this team even when their handed extremely favorable situations like the 4 th pick and AD wants to come to LA
GT says it best!! There wasn’t any skill in these negotiations between Rob and Griffin on Robs behalf . Wish we had Griffin |
We get a 26 yo HoF talent for 2 injured kids with real flaws to their game when healthy...and somehow Rob is a scrub. Only in Laker land... |
They gave up a lot more than those two kids.
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| ocho wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | ESPN LA talking about how LA didn’t negotiate the timing of the trade at all. They had Bobby Marks on and he’s the one who said it. They’re in stunned disbelief now discussing it. |
Terrible and not surprising if true but hopefully it works out. If they give fuss about it then pull out and take assets away like the number 4 pick if they won’t cave to the Lakers demands but if this is true I mean my God how many different ways can Rob and Gang screw up this team even when their handed extremely favorable situations like the 4 th pick and AD wants to come to LA
GT says it best!! There wasn’t any skill in these negotiations between Rob and Griffin on Robs behalf . Wish we had Griffin |
We get a 26 yo HoF talent for 2 injured kids with real flaws to their game when healthy...and somehow Rob is a scrub. Only in Laker land... |
They gave up a lot more than those two kids. |
He gave up potential hall of famers. I want those potential dudes instead of competing for a ring.
I like we could have a potential dynasty with those potential Hall go famers in that potential draft over the next 7 years |
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | ESPN LA talking about how LA didn’t negotiate the timing of the trade at all. They had Bobby Marks on and he’s the one who said it. They’re in stunned disbelief now discussing it. |
Terrible and not surprising if true but hopefully it works out. If they give fuss about it then pull out and take assets away like the number 4 pick if they won’t cave to the Lakers demands but if this is true I mean my God how many different ways can Rob and Gang screw up this team even when their handed extremely favorable situations like the 4 th pick and AD wants to come to LA
GT says it best!! There wasn’t any skill in these negotiations between Rob and Griffin on Robs behalf . Wish we had Griffin |
We get a 26 yo HoF talent for 2 injured kids with real flaws to their game when healthy...and somehow Rob is a scrub. Only in Laker land... |
A lot of people are just averse to change in general. Once fans see AD out there putting up 30 and 15 like it's nothing and the Lakers at the top of the standings they'll calm down. Superstars win championships. Teams that are loaded with promising young players and draft picks never amount to anything unless they somehow get superstars. The Lakers did the right thing to compete for championships. |
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| YSong wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | ESPN LA talking about how LA didn’t negotiate the timing of the trade at all. They had Bobby Marks on and he’s the one who said it. They’re in stunned disbelief now discussing it. |
Terrible and not surprising if true but hopefully it works out. If they give fuss about it then pull out and take assets away like the number 4 pick if they won’t cave to the Lakers demands but if this is true I mean my God how many different ways can Rob and Gang screw up this team even when their handed extremely favorable situations like the 4 th pick and AD wants to come to LA
GT says it best!! There wasn’t any skill in these negotiations between Rob and Griffin on Robs behalf . Wish we had Griffin |
We get a 26 yo HoF talent for 2 injured kids with real flaws to their game when healthy...and somehow Rob is a scrub. Only in Laker land... |
They gave up a lot more than those two kids. |
He gave up potential hall of famers. I want those potential dudes instead of competing for a ring.
I like we could have a potential dynasty with those potential Hall go famers in that potential draft over the next 7 years |
True because all players reach their peak in year 2 and 3. |
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I still don't understand how Rob wasn't negotiating waiting the 30 days from the jump. Everyone knew that was how we could get a 3rd max player. How did he not?
Now we have to give up more players to even get close to the max that is if AD even waives his trade bonus. And from what I thought trading everyone but Lebron/AD/Kuz we would still be off the mid max by like 3 mil? Which would be a big paycut over the course of a 4 year contract with raises. Maybe I got it wrong. Point is Rob should have known better. Not getting a 3rd star now could definitely put us in a tough situation with the unprotected picks and pick swap in the future. |
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So Rob just “forgot” to discuss the date of the trade?
If true, epic fail GM 101.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here, ecause while being arrogant and screwing up a detail would be on brand, I have to think between him Klutch and Griffin (who benefits from the later signing too), someone understood this. |
So NOP would benefit too from the July 30 trade? How so? |
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Pelicans unlikely to delay Anthony Davis trade
https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-anthony-davis-trade-lakers-salary-cap-20190616-story.html
| Quote: | The details of the blockbuster trade that will make Anthony Davis a Laker are still being sorted out. Chief among them: the timing of the trade.
For now, the plan is to execute the trade on July 6, right after the moratorium ends on the start of free agency — and it’s unlikely that will change.
Although the Pelicans are open to working with the Lakers and delaying the trade, it’s unlikely that will happen, according to multiple people familiar with their thinking. New Orleans’ priority will be to make the fourth pick as attractive as possible to another team.
It’s likely that whatever team they trade the fourth pick to will want the player in their building as quickly as possible, and will want him to play at the Las Vegas Summer League, which will be held July 5-15. If the Pelicans opt to keep the pick, they might also want him to participate in Summer League.
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| Rob should be fired for not including that stipulation un (bleep) believable. What a botching and absolute shafting. Griffin destroyed Rob in this |
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Yep. As previously stated, only in Laker land can we land another top 5 player and still call out the general manager.
Like it or not, we just traded 3 non all-stars and picks for possibly the best player in the game. Now just because we might lose out on 4 million in salary cap. Might. He should be fired?
Cmon guys. Give Rob SOME credit. I know we’re Laker fans and are used to having it good, but come on now.
And before anyone replies, I understand that 4 million can go a long way. All I’m saying is we don’t even know if AD is going to for go his trade kicker yet or not.
Either way, we got AD. That’s the most important thing. |
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| SumminFunny wrote: | Yep. As previously stated, only in Laker land can we land another top 5 player and still call out the general manager.
Like it or not, we just traded 3 non all-stars and picks for possibly the best player in the game. Now just because we might lose out on 4 million in salary cap. Might. He should be fired?
Cmon guys. Give Rob SOME credit. I know we’re Laker fans and are used to having it good, but come on now.
And before anyone replies, I understand that 4 million can go a long way. All I’m saying is we don’t even know if AD is going to for go his trade kicker yet or not.
Either way, we got AD. That’s the most important thing. |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here, ecause while being arrogant and screwing up a detail would be on brand, I have to think between him Klutch and Griffin (who benefits from the later signing too), someone understood this. |
So NOP would benefit too from the July 30 trade? How so? |
They wouldn’t benefit, not according to this article that Bobby Marks contributed to. Someone tweeted that the Pelicans would gain 4 million in cap space, but he read the article he linked to wrong, which is linked below:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis
“If the Pelicans had waited until July 30 to complete the trade, they would have had only $15 million in cap space, rather than $19 million if the trade is completed July 6. Waiting until July 30 also complicates the Pelicans' ability to bring another team into the deal to move the No. 4 pick in a trade, because the month delay would tie up that team's salary cap space, too.” |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here, ecause while being arrogant and screwing up a detail would be on brand, I have to think between him Klutch and Griffin (who benefits from the later signing too), someone understood this. |
So NOP would benefit too from the July 30 trade? How so? |
They wouldn’t benefit, not according to this article that Bobby Marks contributed to. Someone tweeted that the Pelicans would gain 4 million in cap space, but he read the article he linked to wrong, which is linked below:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis
“If the Pelicans had waited until July 30 to complete the trade, they would have had only $15 million in cap space, rather than $19 million if the trade is completed July 6. Waiting until July 30 also complicates the Pelicans' ability to bring another team into the deal to move the No. 4 pick in a trade, because the month delay would tie up that team's salary cap space, too.” |
Pelican's want the Lakers to suck long-term. They don't want them to sign another max FA.
The chance to stop the Lakers from signing another max far outweighs any cap-space they might gain.
The timing should have been part of the trade. |
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| If we can only get a #5 and three consecutive #2's, we'll be a dynasty......oh wait |
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| kenkoy wrote: | | If we can only get a #5 and three consecutive #2's, we'll be a dynasty......oh wait |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here, ecause while being arrogant and screwing up a detail would be on brand, I have to think between him Klutch and Griffin (who benefits from the later signing too), someone understood this. |
So NOP would benefit too from the July 30 trade? How so? |
They wouldn’t benefit, not according to this article that Bobby Marks contributed to. Someone tweeted that the Pelicans would gain 4 million in cap space, but he read the article he linked to wrong, which is linked below:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis
“If the Pelicans had waited until July 30 to complete the trade, they would have had only $15 million in cap space, rather than $19 million if the trade is completed July 6. Waiting until July 30 also complicates the Pelicans' ability to bring another team into the deal to move the No. 4 pick in a trade, because the month delay would tie up that team's salary cap space, too.” |
Pelican's want the Lakers to suck long-term. They don't want them to sign another max FA.
The chance to stop the Lakers from signing another max far outweighs any cap-space they might gain.
The timing should have been part of the trade. |
You'd think that the inclusion of future picks and bending over on those pick swaps would have been part of Rob's negotiating tactics in order to get the Pelicans to agree to push back the completion date. If Rob simply agreed to all that (bleep) without a guarantee from the opposition to push the trade back, then that's malpractice, negligent and most definitely a fireable offense.
However, it's best to wait and see what happens. If the trade is indeed pushed back, and we get that 3rd max, then no problemo. |
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The straw man argument is "Lakers fans aren't even happy, even though they got Davis".
What is upsetting (at least to me) is that instead of getting Davis and $31 million in cap space, we got Davis a $24 million in cap space. Can't argue this was the plan all along either. It obviously wasn't.
It's not like we got a player asset worth the difference. We pretty much just lost that space for nothing.
And we've been protecting cap space for over 1/2 a decade.
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We gave up a (bleep) ton for KAJ and gave EJ away to get players for Kobe and Shaq....you do what you have to do to get superstars.
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| panamaniac wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt here, ecause while being arrogant and screwing up a detail would be on brand, I have to think between him Klutch and Griffin (who benefits from the later signing too), someone understood this. |
So NOP would benefit too from the July 30 trade? How so? |
They wouldn’t benefit, not according to this article that Bobby Marks contributed to. Someone tweeted that the Pelicans would gain 4 million in cap space, but he read the article he linked to wrong, which is linked below:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis
“If the Pelicans had waited until July 30 to complete the trade, they would have had only $15 million in cap space, rather than $19 million if the trade is completed July 6. Waiting until July 30 also complicates the Pelicans' ability to bring another team into the deal to move the No. 4 pick in a trade, because the month delay would tie up that team's salary cap space, too.” |
Pelican's want the Lakers to suck long-term. They don't want them to sign another max FA.
The chance to stop the Lakers from signing another max far outweighs any cap-space they might gain.
The timing should have been part of the trade. |
You'd think that the inclusion of future picks and bending over on those pick swaps would have been part of Rob's negotiating tactics in order to get the Pelicans to agree to push back the completion date. If Rob simply agreed to all that (bleep) without a guarantee from the opposition to push the trade back, then that's malpractice, negligent and most definitely a fireable offense.
However, it's best to wait and see what happens. If the trade is indeed pushed back, and we get that 3rd max, then no problemo. |
100% agree |
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| SumminFunny wrote: | Yep. As previously stated, only in Laker land can we land another top 5 player and still call out the general manager.
Like it or not, we just traded 3 non all-stars and picks for possibly the best player in the game. Now just because we might lose out on 4 million in salary cap. Might. He should be fired?
Cmon guys. Give Rob SOME credit. I know we’re Laker fans and are used to having it good, but come on now.
And before anyone replies, I understand that 4 million can go a long way. All I’m saying is we don’t even know if AD is going to for go his trade kicker yet or not.
Either way, we got AD. That’s the most important thing. |
Because after adding a top 5 player last season with this same GM, the team proceeded to:
- Sign a "meme" team lacking the critical components needed to succeed in the modern NBA while at the same time raise eye brows because of their unique "personalities".
- Disrupt team chemistry by poorly handling trade rumors.
- Refuse upgrading certain departments such as analytics and medical staff, which caused problems like injuries/poor player usage
- Make trades which didn't make sense or correct problems that should have been addressed by not signing the "meme" team.
- Miss the playoffs while adding only 2 wins to a 35-47 record previously despite adding a top 5 player due to the problems mentioned beforehand.
- See their POBO quit and embarrass them twice
- Not replace said POBO while firing their coach and procceded to find one with a laughable pool of candidates only to settle for one not in said pool while hiring a wife beater and dinosaur in the process.
And this was using cap space to sign a top 5 player.
Only in laker land can we get a top 5 player and still call out the general manager because only in laker land can we screw up so badly while adding a top 5 player given what happend last year.
Skepticism is warranted and it's hard to give credit given previous events and the price paid for AD. It's put up or shut up now, especially with the lack of success these past 6 seasons. |
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| dabask11 wrote: | | SumminFunny wrote: | Yep. As previously stated, only in Laker land can we land another top 5 player and still call out the general manager.
Like it or not, we just traded 3 non all-stars and picks for possibly the best player in the game. Now just because we might lose out on 4 million in salary cap. Might. He should be fired?
Cmon guys. Give Rob SOME credit. I know we’re Laker fans and are used to having it good, but come on now.
And before anyone replies, I understand that 4 million can go a long way. All I’m saying is we don’t even know if AD is going to for go his trade kicker yet or not.
Either way, we got AD. That’s the most important thing. |
Because after adding a top 5 player last season with this same GM, the team proceeded to:
- Sign a "meme" team lacking the critical components needed to succeed in the modern NBA while at the same time raise eye brows because of their unique "personalities".
- Disrupt team chemistry by poorly handling trade rumors.
- Refuse upgrading certain departments such as analytics and medical staff, which caused problems like injuries/poor player usage
- Make trades which didn't make sense or correct problems that should have been addressed by not signing the "meme" team.
- Miss the playoffs while adding only 2 wins to a 35-47 record previously despite adding a top 5 player due to the problems mentioned beforehand.
- See their POBO quit and embarrass them twice
- Not replace said POBO while firing their coach and procceded to find one with a laughable pool of candidates only to settle for one not in said pool while hiring a wife beater and dinosaur in the process.
And this was using cap space to sign a top 5 player.
Only in laker land can we get a top 5 player and still call out the general manager because only in laker land can we screw up so badly while adding a top 5 player given what happend last year.
Skepticism is warranted and it's hard to give credit given previous events and the price paid for AD. It's put up or shut up now, especially with the lack of success these past 6 seasons. |
Seems like the majority of those problems you posted were Magic related. Now that he’s gone and Pelinka got us AD, why are you still complaining? Especially when you don’t even know how this cap space/coaching/roster issues are going to play out?
Yes, in retrospect things could’ve been handled differently. However, you could say that about every single decision in life when you look at it in retrospect. Concentrate on what’s happening now and what’s coming up. I’ll say it once again, we’ve got AD and possibly
Somewhere between 24 mill to 32 mill to spend. Why are you still living in the past? |
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I don't know what's the worse what if. Rob didn't know about the salary cap difference between a July 6 signing and a July 30 signing. Or if he knew the difference and didn't get that put into the agreement.
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| There’s a huge difference between 32 and 24 million dollars. One lets us chase the best FAs available. The other does not. One lets us sign two B level guys for 16 million a piece, the other has us looking for maybe one B level guy and a C level guy and then minimums. |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | There’s a huge difference between 32 and 24 million dollars. One lets us chase the best FAs available. The other does not. One lets us sign two B level guys for 16 million a piece, the other has us looking for maybe one B level guy and a C level guy and then minimums. |
It’s massive, especially in a summer when a lot of teams will have salary space. |
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