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Beir32
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The only way Rob got fleeced is if ORL would settle for significantly less. While it is relevant to consider comparable trades, it isn’t the only thing. Ultimately a good investment is not based on what someone else paid for a similar item, but what profit can be turned. |
Does this money count against the team in any significant way such as cap or anything like that? |
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gooner
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Beir32 wrote: | | gooner wrote: |
The only way Rob got fleeced is if ORL would settle for significantly less. While it is relevant to consider comparable trades, it isn’t the only thing. Ultimately a good investment is not based on what someone else paid for a similar item, but what profit can be turned. |
Does this money count against the team in any significant way such as cap or anything like that? |
One of the cap gurus will probably have to chime in but I think the cash counts toward ORL’s cap. |
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gtdRR
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| Beir32 wrote: | | gooner wrote: |
The only way Rob got fleeced is if ORL would settle for significantly less. While it is relevant to consider comparable trades, it isn’t the only thing. Ultimately a good investment is not based on what someone else paid for a similar item, but what profit can be turned. |
Does this money count against the team in any significant way such as cap or anything like that? |
No, it counts against about 5.6 million that each team can use every year for cash considerations. We had a balance this year still and it resets in July 2019.
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Dr. Laker
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Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will).
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Beir32
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| gtdRR wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | gooner wrote: |
The only way Rob got fleeced is if ORL would settle for significantly less. While it is relevant to consider comparable trades, it isn’t the only thing. Ultimately a good investment is not based on what someone else paid for a similar item, but what profit can be turned. |
Does this money count against the team in any significant way such as cap or anything like that? |
No, it counts against about 5.6 million that each team can use every year for cash considerations. We had a balance this year still and it resets in July 2019. |
Cool thanks. Sounds like (bleep) about an extra $900,000 that the team may or may not have paid/overpaid isn't exactly something that is worth it then. |
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lilmomo
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Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
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| $24M is actually better than $32M. Not having a max slot is better than having one - when Kawhi is out there. Did Rob take a page out of Kyrie's book in how to play chess? |
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dabask11
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Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
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Day
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | | lilmomo wrote: |
Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
You should probably read more replies before jumping on the first thing that fits your favored narrative. That money was meaningless.
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Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
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dabask11
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Day wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | lilmomo wrote: |
Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
You should probably read more replies before jumping on the first thing that fits your favored narrative. That money was meaningless.
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Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
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Lol maybe you should be the one reading carefully since none what of you posted applies to my what I said above.
It doesn't matter how much of the pool is used, if someone else is able to use it more efficiently because of better connections he established in other organizations due to experience aka the "grease" in my post, then that just makes said person more qualified to be in rob's position, who can't do it as well due to reputation/lack of experience. |
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gooner
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| dabask11 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | lilmomo wrote: |
Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
You should probably read more replies before jumping on the first thing that fits your favored narrative. That money was meaningless.
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Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
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Lol maybe you should be the one reading carefully since none what of you posted applies to my what I said above.
It doesn't matter how much of the pool is used, if someone else is able to use it more efficiently because of better connections he established in other organizations due to experience aka the "grease" in my post, then that just makes said person more qualified to be in rob's position, who can't do it as well due to reputation/lack of experience. |
This make no sense. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
This doesn't sound right, the part where it's Monopoly money. If it was, every team would just spend $5M every year.
Why would it be Monopoly money? |
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gooner
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
This doesn't sound right, the part where it's Monopoly money. If it was, every team would just spend $5M every year.
Why would it be Monopoly money? |
What would they spend it all on? |
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Day
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | lilmomo wrote: |
Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
You should probably read more replies before jumping on the first thing that fits your favored narrative. That money was meaningless.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
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Lol maybe you should be the one reading carefully since none what of you posted applies to my what I said above.
It doesn't matter how much of the pool is used, if someone else is able to use it more efficiently because of better connections he established in other organizations due to experience aka the "grease" in my post, then that just makes said person more qualified to be in rob's position, who can't do it as well due to reputation/lack of experience. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| gooner wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
This doesn't sound right, the part where it's Monopoly money. If it was, every team would just spend $5M every year.
Why would it be Monopoly money? |
What would they spend it all on? |
Buy draft picks every single year?
If it’s free money, why not? |
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hype
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | lilmomo wrote: |
Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
You should probably read more replies before jumping on the first thing that fits your favored narrative. That money was meaningless.
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Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
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Lol maybe you should be the one reading carefully since none what of you posted applies to my what I said above.
It doesn't matter how much of the pool is used, if someone else is able to use it more efficiently because of better connections he established in other organizations due to experience aka the "grease" in my post, then that just makes said person more qualified to be in rob's position, who can't do it as well due to reputation/lack of experience. |
That's just looking to find a new way to pile on Rob imo.. Right now the majority of the league is not going to help out the Lakers and give them "fair" deals and rightfully so.. They see what the Lakers are currently building and nobody (especially the small markets) want to see the Lakers gain any extra assets. This specific incident is worthless to even debate though since that $$$ difference literally has zero affect on us going forward and is about to reset in a week anyways.
In the end we got a solid prospect for that late in the draft who has potential and could be something in a few years. |
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The Juggernaut
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So much excuses for Rob every time he gets swindled and over pays  |
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Beir32
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | So much excuses for Rob every time he gets swindled and over pays |
Goes both ways. Two GM's who previously worked together pulled a trade and helped each other out and a poster tried to call him inexperienced because of it. |
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| How much did Kupchak pay for JC? |
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mhan00
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
This doesn't sound right, the part where it's Monopoly money. If it was, every team would just spend $5M every year.
Why would it be Monopoly money? |
What would they spend it all on? |
Buy draft picks every single year?
If it’s free money, why not? |
Owners might not be willing to spend it. Teams might not be willing to take money alone for draft picks (previous seasons 2nd round picks have been available for money alone, this season it wasn’t enough and picks also had to be thrown in). Or you could use some of it to buy a pick, and then the remainder isn’t enough to buy another one. Just because spending it doesn’t affect you going forward doesn’t mean you’d grow it away or give it away for nothing. It’s still millions of dollars.
But spending it indeed doesn’t hurt us at all, because as has been said, the amount we can send out in trades resets in July. So if we didn’t use the money we had left available to us for the 18-19 season, it would have been wasted since the money we will be able to send out in trades for the 19-20 season would not have increased at all if we hadn’t spent it. |
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mhan00
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| governator wrote: | | How much did Kupchak pay for JC? |
Different years, so different market for 2nd round picks. |
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DLaker
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| hype wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | | lilmomo wrote: |
Not for nothing, but the GM of the Hawks used to work for the Warriors; am sure that helped grease the wheels a little. |
Which again further validates why people would have somebody else over rob or at least not let him work alone.
You get that "grease" by bringing in experienced people. |
You should probably read more replies before jumping on the first thing that fits your favored narrative. That money was meaningless.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
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Lol maybe you should be the one reading carefully since none what of you posted applies to my what I said above.
It doesn't matter how much of the pool is used, if someone else is able to use it more efficiently because of better connections he established in other organizations due to experience aka the "grease" in my post, then that just makes said person more qualified to be in rob's position, who can't do it as well due to reputation/lack of experience. |
That's just looking to find a new way to pile on Rob imo.. Right now the majority of the league is not going to help out the Lakers and give them "fair" deals and rightfully so.. They see what the Lakers are currently building and nobody (especially the small markets) want to see the Lakers gain any extra assets. This specific incident is worthless to even debate though since that $$$ difference literally has zero affect on us going forward and is about to reset in a week anyways.
In the end we got a solid prospect for that late in the draft who has potential and could be something in a few years. |
Agree some here just like to think Rob is getting screwed every time. Maybe they should go shopping at the high end and low end neighborhood for the same product and see the price difference. |
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gooner
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: |
Bull.
It's Monopoly money from a special pool all teams use to facilitate trades and the deadline to use the money is June 30!. The Lakers had like 4 million left to spend and if they didn't use it, it would have gone away.
He could've paid $4 million and if the team had no other use for it, it was the same as ten bucks. If they don't spend it on player transactions, they cannot keep it or add it to operating income - it just goes away.
On July 1, they'll get another $5+ million from the same pool (every team will). |
This doesn't sound right, the part where it's Monopoly money. If it was, every team would just spend $5M every year.
Why would it be Monopoly money? |
What would they spend it all on? |
Buy draft picks every single year?
If it’s free money, why not? |
So every team will be buying draft picks from each other just to spend money. How does that work? |
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| Beir32 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | So much excuses for Rob every time he gets swindled and over pays |
Goes both ways. Two GM's who previously worked together pulled a trade and helped each other out and a poster tried to call him inexperienced because of it. |
and yet Griffin couldn’t build a contending team around AD and in the end loses AD. |
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Beir32
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | So much excuses for Rob every time he gets swindled and over pays |
Goes both ways. Two GM's who previously worked together pulled a trade and helped each other out and a poster tried to call him inexperienced because of it. |
and yet Griffin couldn’t build a contending team around AD and in the end loses AD. |
Well Griffin didn't get the chance to build around AD. |
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