Not defending people who were working backwards from "Rob must be an idiot" though. Just saying most of the time when 95% of reporters report a situation 1 way. They are correct.
Not when they have an agenda and the person being criticized can’t even say a word
When it's 95% not everyone has an agenda. And our FO chose to not say a word. Wisely I might add.
95% of reporters think climate change is real and can be slowed down with proper strategies. 95% of reporters think GS will give Klay the max and he'll return. 95% of reporters believe Elon Musk needed to be reigned in months ago. Doesn't mean all those reporters have agendas. Doesn't mean audiences are idiots for believing consensus.
Now the extra editorializing by certain audiences. Working backwards from a narrative. Dedicating yourself to a narrative even in the face of new contrary evidence. That is indefensible.
not to get waaay off topic, but you guys on focused on the finger and not the heavenly glory.
you're arguing a hypothetical situation. Reality is why you can't agree; because in reality there is maybe only 1% actual reporters. The rest are spin doctors, media personalities or using "reporter" in their title to fool people.
Woj used to be a reporter before ESPN. That's where "woj bomb" came from because he'd drop the mic suddenly and leave. Now he fills his airtime with his "expert opinion" which basically means whatever the gossip mill wants him to push. _________________ KOBE!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:40 am Post subject:
3baller wrote:
LKA wrote:
Rob you're winning.
Addition by subtraction. Magic playing 4D chess. Thanks for resigning Magic, been the best thing you've done for the lakers all year.
Magic playing Wargames. "The only winning move is not to play." _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
I called Rob a puppet because it seemed like he just lived in Magics shadow.
But sometimes when you get out from the shadows, you get a chance to shine.
I havent done a 180 on Rob yet, but, I think he has earned the opportunity for us fans to give him some breathing room to prove himself. He deserves at the very least, the benefit of a reset button IMO.
Forget about weather he's a good GM or not, as soon as Magic quit the media had everyone believing he was a snake, couldn't be trusted, no GM's would even get on the phone with him, is a cancer etc.. it's insane what a few pundits can convince many people to believe.
There's no way you'd be Kobe's agent and not have some skills and smarts.
It depended on if that would translate to a GM role.
Some numskulls were adamant that he couldn't do the job before even letting things play out. Pathetic.
There's no way you'd be Kobe's agent and not have some skills and smarts.
It depended on if that would translate to a GM role.
Some numskulls were adamant that he couldn't do the job before even letting things play out. Pathetic.
There's no way you'd be Kobe's agent and not have some skills and smarts.
It depended on if that would translate to a GM role.
Some numskulls were adamant that he couldn't do the job before even letting things play out. Pathetic.
100
In the end, this dude orchestrated Kobe’s Farewell Tour, got his client max $, highest paid in the league coming off Achilles rupture, the KFT allowed the Lakers to stealth tank with B.Scott, 7-2-2-2 and now this dude just flipped those assets into LeBron (Credit to Magic), AD and a max space... fellas, this is happy time for Lakers fans
Sorry, nah. We had Lebron is hand, and he overpaid to get AD (any medicore GM could've done that). If we land Kawhi, Pelinka will have nothing to do with that. Am I supposed to be super impressed he cleared cap space? All he's done is not (bleep) it up. Which is cool, but not statue worthy IMO.
So would you describe Rob as a mediocre GM or a pretty decent one?
Average at this point. He's kept our cap clean. No idea what he's been responsible for prior to Magic leaving. Haven't seen him build a team.
Other than Myers as POBO up in GS, I had to check to see if there were any former agents who are currently executives in the NBA. Interestingly enough, I think he's in pretty good company with the exception of the Pistons' Arn Tellem.
Myers built up a championship squad and Zanik just made a move for Utah's back court by getting Conley. With what he's done so far as our GM, and to think of what may transpire in the next week or two, I think Rob is on his way to becoming very successful which would only mean happier times for us Fans
There's no way you'd be Kobe's agent and not have some skills and smarts.
It depended on if that would translate to a GM role.
Some numskulls were adamant that he couldn't do the job before even letting things play out. Pathetic.
It hasn't played out yet though. We have 3 people on the team. He still needs to fill in the rest of the roster with that cap space. He still hasn't fully redeemed himself for last years trash roster
Who still wants the $6Million Rob lost for not pushing the trade date after 30 days of the Hunter signing?
I do.
As usual, people just go ahead and assume this was even negotiable. Likely, it wasn't (at least to the extent it wouldn't kill the whole deal), as it hurts the value of the 4th pick that NO desperately wanted to trade. If there was another way to achieve the max slot, which Rob has now done, why jeopardize the deal?
The most fascinating story following the Lakers’ trade for Anthony Davis was that general manager Rob Pelinka didn’t know the rules of the salary cap and had no idea that if the trade was completed immediately after the business moratorium ended on July 6 instead of at the end of the month, the Lakers would not have the necessary salary cap space to sign a free agent to a maximum contract.
That would certainly feed the popular narrative of Pelinka as a bungling team executive who is in over his head. But that was not the case, according to multiple team officials. Say what you will about Pelinka, and the jury is still out on him running the Lakers’ basketball operations, but he was an NBA agent for 20 years and knows the salary cap and collective bargaining agreement (CBA) better than most.
The Lakers also have Marshall Rader, who is the team’s salary cap and CBA analyst — or “capologist” as some like to call the position. He’s a self-described “salary cap nerd,” who worked in basketball operations in that capacity for the San Antonio Spurs and Indiana Pacers. He also worked on the salary cap and player contracts at the National Basketball Players Assn. and Impact Sports Management, which is the agency that represents Kawhi Leonard.
The notion that Pelinka and the Lakers had no idea about the impact of the timing of the deal and only found out after seeing it on Twitter or television never made sense.
“Of all the stories out there,” said one Lakers official. “That’s easily the dumbest.”
There’s a difference between not knowing a rule and trying to work your way around it. The timing wasn’t ideal, but the Lakers weren’t going to kill the deal for Davis over it and knew they had an alternate path to getting the cap room they wanted.
The issue for the Lakers from the start was that the New Orleans Pelicans had no intention of keeping the Lakers’ No. 4 pick. They had planned to trade it, which they ended up doing in a draft night deal with the Atlanta Hawks. So it was never really up to New Orleans to delay the trade 30 days, and there was no reason for the Hawks to delay the trade in order to help the Lakers secure maximum free agent money. Not only does that not make much sense for the Hawks, but they also want Virginia’s De’Andre Hunter, whom the Lakers drafted for Atlanta, signed and playing for them in the Las Vegas Summer League next week, not sitting at home for a month just to benefit the Lakers.
So the Lakers’ plan was always to find a third team in their deal with New Orleans to take on the contracts of Mo Wagner, Isaac Bonga and Jemerrio Jones while working with Davis’ agent, Rich Paul, to get him to waive his $4-million trade bonus in order to create a maximum salary slot of $32 million by the start of free agency on Sunday. The Lakers accomplished both by Thursday.
Eat it everybody _________________ I love my Lakies
Perception seems to become reality when it’s far more entertaining than what’s actually taking place. Drama is more fun than the mundane when telling tales, so most choose to believe the sensational story while discarding the more boring truth.
That’s usually the case with the Lakers. They’ve found a way to dominate the headlines and airwaves for the past six years despite having the worst winning percentage in the league. That takes some serious Kardashian-level chops to pull off, and the Lakers have provided us with enough unbelievable moments to have their own hit reality show.
But not everything in the daily soap opera that is the Lakers is as entertaining and implausible as it might seem. As NBA free agency begins Sunday, it might be time to acknowledge the front office is not as inept as many thought.
The most fascinating story following the Lakers’ trade for Anthony Davis was that general manager Rob Pelinka didn’t know the rules of the salary cap and had no idea that if the trade was completed immediately after the business moratorium ended on July 6 instead of at the end of the month, the Lakers would not have the necessary salary cap space to sign a free agent to a maximum contract.
That would certainly feed the popular narrative of Pelinka as a bungling team executive who is in over his head. But that was not the case, according to multiple team officials. Say what you will about Pelinka, and the jury is still out on him running the Lakers’ basketball operations, but he was an NBA agent for 20 years. He’s no neophyte.
The Lakers also have Marshall Rader, who is the team’s salary cap and CBA analyst — or “capologist” as some like to call the position. He’s a self-described “salary cap nerd,” who worked in basketball operations in that capacity for the San Antonio Spurs and Indiana Pacers. He also worked on the salary cap and player contracts at the National Basketball Players Assn. and Impact Sports Management, which is the agency that represents Kawhi Leonard.
The notion that Pelinka and the Lakers had no idea about the impact of the timing of the deal and only found out after seeing it on Twitter or television never made sense.
“Of all the stories out there,” said one Lakers official, “that’s easily the dumbest.”
There’s a difference between not knowing a rule and not caring about it. The timing wasn’t ideal, but the Lakers weren’t going to kill the deal for Davis over it.
The issue for the Lakers from the start was that the New Orleans Pelicans had no intention of keeping the Lakers’ No. 4 pick. They had planned to trade it, which they ended up doing in a draft night deal with the Atlanta Hawks. So it was never really up to New Orleans to delay the trade 30 days, and there was no reason for the Hawks to delay the trade in order to help the Lakers secure maximum free agent money. Not only does that not make much sense for the Hawks, but they also want Virginia’s De’Andre Hunter, whom the Lakers drafted for Atlanta, signed and playing for them in the Las Vegas Summer League next week, not sitting at home for a month just to benefit the Lakers.
So the Lakers needed to find a third team in their deal with New Orleans to take on the contracts of Mo Wagner, Isaac Bonga and Jemerrio Jones while working with Davis’ agent, Rich Paul, to get him to waive his $4-million trade bonus in order to create a maximum salary slot of $32 million by the start of free agency on Sunday. The Lakers accomplished both by Thursday.
Before the perceived salary cap gaffe, there was the much publicized coaching search blunder in which the Lakers missed out on Monty Williams and Tyronn Lue before settling on Frank Vogel.
This wasn’t like when the team hired Phil Jackson in 1999 and again in 2005. The idea, according to team officials, was to sign a coach with playoff experience to a three-year deal and surround him with an “all-star” coaching staff.
It’s an unusual approach and clearly raised some red flags with Williams, who took a five-year deal with the Phoenix Suns instead, and Lue, who walked away from a three-year, $18-million offer to be the Lakers’ coach. The Lakers ended up hiring Vogel, who took the Pacers from a below-.500 team to the conference semifinals and back-to-back conference finals, falling to the LeBron James-led Miami Heat each time, in his first three full seasons on the job.
The problem is Lue wanted a five-year deal with an annual salary around $8 million and didn’t want to be told who would be on his staff. Lue won a championship with James in Cleveland and deserves to make those demands. The Lakers, however, felt as though they were negotiating against themselves, believing Lue wasn’t in the running for any other NBA coaching vacancies after being fired last season following Cleveland’s 0-6 start. They were also adamant about going after some big names for the coaching staff such as Jason Kidd and Lionel Hollins, who have joined the staff, and renowned Golden State Warriors assistant coach Ron Adams, whom the Lakers have received permission to interview.
No one knows how the Lakers’ plan will pan out. They still have to do something with their salary cap space before the coaching staff can try to lead the Lakers back to the playoffs and to their first championship in a decade. But they do have a plan, and maybe it’s not as bad as some thought. _________________ Formerly OC Lakerfan
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Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:40 am Post subject:
TheBlackMamba wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
Who still wants the $6Million Rob lost for not pushing the trade date after 30 days of the Hunter signing?
I do.
As usual, people just go ahead and assume this was even negotiable. Likely, it wasn't (at least to the extent it wouldn't kill the whole deal), as it hurts the value of the 4th pick that NO desperately wanted to trade. If there was another way to achieve the max slot, which Rob has now done, why jeopardize the deal?
People assume that there were negotiations _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Who still wants the $6Million Rob lost for not pushing the trade date after 30 days of the Hunter signing?
I do.
As usual, people just go ahead and assume this was even negotiable. Likely, it wasn't (at least to the extent it wouldn't kill the whole deal), as it hurts the value of the 4th pick that NO desperately wanted to trade. If there was another way to achieve the max slot, which Rob has now done, why jeopardize the deal?
People assume that there were negotiations
Why would Atlanta, who plays in the Orlando SL as well as the Vegas, want to wait almost a month to get their guy into their program and summer league when they are a stud young team looking towards the future but will rely on team chemistry now to steal games?
Who still wants the $6Million Rob lost for not pushing the trade date after 30 days of the Hunter signing?
I do.
As usual, people just go ahead and assume this was even negotiable. Likely, it wasn't (at least to the extent it wouldn't kill the whole deal), as it hurts the value of the 4th pick that NO desperately wanted to trade. If there was another way to achieve the max slot, which Rob has now done, why jeopardize the deal?
People assume that there were negotiations
Why would Atlanta, who plays in the Orlando SL as well as the Vegas, want to wait almost a month to get their guy into their program and summer league when they are a stud young team looking towards the future but will rely on team chemistry now to steal games?
Yup. There's no benefit to them to do this, only a drawback.
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