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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:40 pm    Post subject:

24-3... Rob should be executive of the year!

14-9... We need to give Rob a chance!

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24-3... Rob should be executive of the year!

14-9... We need to give Rob a chance!



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:48 am    Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:26 am    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:29 am    Post subject:

3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


Ideally the FO shouldn't have been dependent on getting/missing kawhi in the first place.

Once the lakers made the AD trade plus cap space, their mindset should have been to secure a max FA with the intent of not striking out. The amount of assets needed not only to get AD but to clear cap space for another max slot should have clued the FO to think not messing this up was more important rather than specifically using it for kawhi alone.

That doesn't mean you don't make kawhi first priority, but you don't wait for him to make a decision. You go down the list from like walker, butler, DLO, brogdon etc until you find people worth the cap space who are willing to take it right then.

Even the Knicks FO realized kawhi's decision could cost them other FA targets. If their incompetence could point that out then there's no excuse the laker's FO shouldn't have realize it at the first instance kawhi said he was going to take his time making a decision.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:54 am    Post subject:

Rob did have a contingency plan in place if we struck out on kawhi. He obviously had tentative agreements with Danny, DMC, Avery, and yes KCP.

Obviously not kawhi level. Not even Jimmy butler level, but he had something in place. And this was supposed to be cousin's return to form. His ACL could not have been predicted. And Danny was sure as hell expected to be better than he's been this year.

Yeah, we should have gotten Jimmy Butler. Dlo on the other hand is apparently still making great impressions. Word is Kerr couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Things I don't understand were ditching Mo Wagner for nothing. Dumping Svi was all magic.

In retrospect, the AD trade was decent for the pelicans. We included all those picks because Brandon was building brick walls, chucking Kobe iso fadeaways with reckless abandon, lonzo was being lonzo, and hart was like one of a hundred nba players.

They've all gotten surprisingly better overnight.
dabask11 wrote:
3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


Ideally the FO shouldn't have been dependent on getting/missing kawhi in the first place.

Once the lakers made the AD trade plus cap space, their mindset should have been to secure a max FA with the intent of not striking out. The amount of assets needed not only to get AD but to clear cap space for another max slot should have clued the FO to think not messing this up was more important rather than specifically using it for kawhi alone.

That doesn't mean you don't make kawhi first priority, but you don't wait for him to make a decision. You go down the list from like walker, butler, DLO, brogdon etc until you find people worth the cap space who are willing to take it right then.

Even the Knicks FO realized kawhi's decision could cost them other FA targets. If their incompetence could point that out then there's no excuse the laker's FO shouldn't have realize it at the first instance kawhi said he was going to take his time making a decision.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:02 am    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
Rob did have a contingency plan in place if we struck out on kawhi. He obviously had tentative agreements with Danny, DMC, Avery, and yes KCP.

Obviously not kawhi level. Not even Jimmy butler level, but he had something in place. And this was supposed to be cousin's return to form. His ACL could not have been predicted. And Danny was sure as hell expected to be better than he's been this year.

Yeah, we should have gotten Jimmy Butler. Dlo on the other hand is apparently still making great impressions. Word is Kerr couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Things I don't understand were ditching Mo Wagner for nothing. Dumping Svi was all magic.

dabask11 wrote:
3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


Ideally the FO shouldn't have been dependent on getting/missing kawhi in the first place.

Once the lakers made the AD trade plus cap space, their mindset should have been to secure a max FA with the intent of not striking out. The amount of assets needed not only to get AD but to clear cap space for another max slot should have clued the FO to think not messing this up was more important rather than specifically using it for kawhi alone.

That doesn't mean you don't make kawhi first priority, but you don't wait for him to make a decision. You go down the list from like walker, butler, DLO, brogdon etc until you find people worth the cap space who are willing to take it right then.

Even the Knicks FO realized kawhi's decision could cost them other FA targets. If their incompetence could point that out then there's no excuse the laker's FO shouldn't have realize it at the first instance kawhi said he was going to take his time making a decision.


The Knicks are the measuring stick????
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:34 am    Post subject:

I fully support the decision to not move Kuzma for Morris. It would also cost Green. The Lakers can probably do better in the summer. You look at what the Clips gave up, and vs us. That is not a player like Kuzma they gave up.

As much as he frustrates me as a player because of his inconsistent play and effort level (and IQ) I think he should be valued as an asset. He is the last remaining young asset we have. We should be very careful how we utilize him via trade.
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Members like LMLA, bard, 2019, yinoma and I'm sure I'm missing a few more, but I'm a newbie so apologies...but from their posts I gather they are cap enthusiasts like me. I can't speak for them, but surely they understand that our approach to the deadline had severe limitations and it was our own doing.

Fans think Rob was complacent and half-hearted do to the Kob tragedy, and even if that is partially true, the truth of the matter is he was limited due to our lack of assets and lack of control in the assets we had.

We know about the draft compensation he surrendered in the AD trade. That left us with no 1sts to trade at the deadline and that will be a recurring theme till we actually trade for someone else's first and then flip that pick in a future deal.

We also know about the NTCs on deals for Rondo, Kcp and McGee. Here's the thing though, Rob negotiated that player option in those deals making them 1 year NTCs by default. If the plan was 2021, Bron's deal gets in the way and the guy they covet so much, yet made available for a deal this deadline, in Kuz, will also get in the way....but more importantly they offered up 2 year deals so they should have made Rondo, McGee and Kcp all 2 year deals without options, cause that opens up the possibility of trading them at the deadline without their consent.

Imo the problem wasn't Kawhi, it was not setting up a proper contingency. They had Danny wait and our own FOs wait on the decision, but it sure seems they had other contingencies they could have followed up on.

They knew Green was in the Mavs scope. So the Mavs would try to drive up his price if we struck out on Kawhi. That was one red flag, but understand we had potentially 34m in cap space, so even if we get Green on his current deal, we had 19m to take on a deal with assets. For example, Dragic would have fit into that space.

This element is what drove most cap enthusiasts up the wall. We saw teams start making deals right away during the moratorium, but none of it could become finalized and official till July 6th. So we saw a bevvy of activity on day 1 of the FA moratorium and then we suddenly locked up 2 roster spots in Dudz and Trey. Most of us at the time were thinking, that means all our cap space is accounted for by a max player and now we must be fleshing out the roster with vet min exceptions and the room exception. Combine that with our eagerness to dump Moe/Bonga/JJ/2022 2nd/cash on the Wiz for nothing and most thought that max spot was carved out for someone we definitely already had in the bag. But that didn't happen?

So here we are sitting on 2 roster spots taken up and with a max slot on day 2 of the moratorium and Kawhi is prolonging the decision. At that moment in time, it looked lime Ky/KD, Butler, Kemba, Klay and DLo were all off the board. What should have happened at that moment is that we start reaching out to all the teams, cause alot of transactions had S&ts (10 teams) and that means all of those teams are now hardcapped and potentially need to get off salary. We already knew that with the dubs, the Nets and the Heat and since all 3 teams were taking on and exchanging large salary, at the very least we should have reached out and said, hey we could potentially have alot of cap to accommodate these complex S&ts so at least touch base with us first before you dump salary using another team.

For instance, the Butler S&t deal fell apart that had Dragic going to the Mavs. They had to set something else up that finally involved the Blazers and cLips coming in. That window was a perfect time to reach out to them and say, we could use Dragic, so don't pull the trigger just yet with another team. KD for DLo was another deal that took finagling since Ky and DJ were also heading there and cap space was needed by the Nets to make it work. The Nets wanted to extract a pick out of them for deal, plus the dubs needed to dump Iggy and that also took another pick. Uh, how about reaching out to Myers and saying we value Iggy and we know you want to do right by him, make sure you get in touch with us before you pull the trigger on another deal. But what happened?

Folks will probably state that those deals were in place before Kawhi made his decision, but understand Mook reneged on his commitment with SA. (bleep), remember DJ with the Mavs not too far back? Or lets take even the Mavs backing out of the deal when it was already agreed upon this past summer and suddenly the Butler S&t was on hold again. Out of all people, Rob should know that the best since way back when, he repped Boozer and they had an agreement to team up with the Kang in Cleveland, only to backstab Bron and go for more money in Utah. So nothing was set in stone till it became officially official on July 6th.

But Rob is only one person and how can he be in this free agent's driveway, while talking to that other team's exec on a contingency? How can he both recruit Kawhi and Butler at the same time? And I think that is why most of us believe the FO needs more help up there.

We use to make fun of Jimbo for hiring his bartender, Chaz...but Jeanie is employing her friends. And let me preface this with, I love Jeanie and I believe out of all the 2nd comings of Jerry Buss, she will be the one. She's smart and unlike Chaz, she employs a smart friend in Linda as well. So I'm not knocking her hustle, but I do think she needs to start looking into getting more help in the FO. What sets the cLips apart from us is their FO and its loaded since Ballmer will pay top dollar to make it happen. Not everyone will like each other and be besties, but you do have the best folks doing a job they're paid handsomely to do. Even with Jerry Buss, he employed Jerry West and those two would squabble all the time. He hired Phil Jax and those two would squabble all the time. Jeanie has got to start hiring the best people and more people cause Rob needs help.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:19 am    Post subject:

3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


You're asking the wrong question. The question is should we have gone all in on Kawhi and the answer is a resounding NO.

Unfortunately our current FO operates with arrogance and ego and doesn't understand risk/reward.

You just traded for AD, you have an aging Lebron, your goal is to win a championship in the next 3 years. You goal is not to go 82-0, 16-0.

There is no doubt that Kawhi would have made us a GREAT team, but Butler/Kemba/Dlo maybe even Brogdan still make us the best team and heavy favorite to win a championship not only this year, but likely for the next 3 years.

And if you don't think adding Butler/Kemba/Dlo make us good enough to win it all, it says something about AD and means we should have never traded for AD.
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I fully support the decision to not move Kuzma for Morris. It would also cost Green. The Lakers can probably do better in the summer. You look at what the Clips gave up, and vs us. That is not a player like Kuzma they gave up.

As much as he frustrates me as a player because of his inconsistent play and effort level (and IQ) I think he should be valued as an asset. He is the last remaining young asset we have. We should be very careful how we utilize him via trade.


I think that they gave up a player who is better than Kuzma with the difference being that they started with a balanced roster while ours is unbalanced with Kuzma playing at a position where we have no depth.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:21 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


You're asking the wrong question. The question is should we have gone all in on Kawhi and the answer is a resounding NO.

Unfortunately our current FO operates with arrogance and ego and doesn't understand risk/reward.

You just traded for AD, you have an aging Lebron, your goal is to win a championship in the next 3 years. You goal is not to go 82-0, 16-0.

There is no doubt that Kawhi would have made us a GREAT team, but Butler/Kemba/Dlo maybe even Brogdan still make us the best team and heavy favorite to win a championship not only this year, but likely for the next 3 years.

And if you don't think adding Butler/Kemba/Dlo make us good enough to win it all, it says something about AD and means we should have never traded for AD.

Hindsight is always 20/20, I don’t think a lot on this board were saying “(bleep) kawhi, let’s go for someone else”during the summer, we even had members scouting restaurants. Everyone wanted kawhi, so the lakers got played by that snake Kawhi, after he made the decision, DG was the best player we could got, and AB, KCP, McGee, etc.
it is not fair for anyone to blame Rob for all these. How do you know jimmy wanted to sign with us? He signed with Miami the first day. How do you know DLO is going to help us? He didn’t play that well this season.

Rob went for the super team and got played by kawhi, and we are first in the west and people are complaining. This roster is far from perfect, and the least we can do is give rob some time.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:22 pm    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
Rob did have a contingency plan in place if we struck out on kawhi. He obviously had tentative agreements with Danny, DMC, Avery, and yes KCP.

Obviously not kawhi level. Not even Jimmy butler level, but he had something in place. And this was supposed to be cousin's return to form. His ACL could not have been predicted. And Danny was sure as hell expected to be better than he's been this year.


That's the problem. If we never waited for kawhi, the "contingency" plan would have never been let's pick up whatever scraps are left over. We're lucky enough DG was tied with Kawhi to wait and even now we're regretting it to some extent.

Sometimes the best move in general is not putting yourself in such a position in the first place. That's how you get jimmy butler level contingency plans. As some people pointed out, there are more ways to use cap space besides signing FA's but you can't do so if you choose to have your hands tied behind your back.

oaktown_dimond wrote:

Yeah, we should have gotten Jimmy Butler. Dlo on the other hand is apparently still making great impressions. Word is Kerr couldn't wait to get rid of him.


Kerr says the fit with DLO was the issue, but then they trade for Wiggins who's an even worse fit. Who knows what the heck is going on in GS? I'd still rather have him, butler or any other max FA then DG right now

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Things I don't understand were ditching Mo Wagner for nothing. Dumping Svi was all magic.


It was to have enough cap space to have a big 3 of LBJ/AD/max FA. If you have the knowledge to dump to assets for nothing, then you should have the knowledge to know its consequences. Unfortunately the lakers FO isn't inspiring such confidence right now, especially with the lack of moves compared to our rivals.

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In retrospect, the AD trade was decent for the pelicans. We included all those picks because Brandon was building brick walls, chucking Kobe iso fadeaways with reckless abandon, lonzo was being lonzo, and hart was like one of a hundred nba players.

They've all gotten surprisingly better overnight.


The AD trade itself wasn't the problem. It's how's the lakers handled everything else that's the issue, especially if it squanders a chance at a title.
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dabask11 wrote:
3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


Ideally the FO shouldn't have been dependent on getting/missing kawhi in the first place.

Once the lakers made the AD trade plus cap space, their mindset should have been to secure a max FA with the intent of not striking out. The amount of assets needed not only to get AD but to clear cap space for another max slot should have clued the FO to think not messing this up was more important rather than specifically using it for kawhi alone.

That doesn't mean you don't make kawhi first priority, but you don't wait for him to make a decision. You go down the list from like walker, butler, DLO, brogdon etc until you find people worth the cap space who are willing to take it right then.

Even the Knicks FO realized kawhi's decision could cost them other FA targets. If their incompetence could point that out then there's no excuse the laker's FO shouldn't have realize it at the first instance kawhi said he was going to take his time making a decision.

JB signed the first day with the heat, seems like he was pretty determined.
If you think the Lakers FO would went all in on Kawhi without some sort of commitment from him, you are delusional. The knicks has zero chance and they knew it.
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I fully support the decision to not move Kuzma for Morris. It would also cost Green. The Lakers can probably do better in the summer. You look at what the Clips gave up, and vs us. That is not a player like Kuzma they gave up.

As much as he frustrates me as a player because of his inconsistent play and effort level (and IQ) I think he should be valued as an asset. He is the last remaining young asset we have. We should be very careful how we utilize him via trade.

Harkless is better than kuzma tho
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I fully support the decision to not move Kuzma for Morris. It would also cost Green. The Lakers can probably do better in the summer. You look at what the Clips gave up, and vs us. That is not a player like Kuzma they gave up.

As much as he frustrates me as a player because of his inconsistent play and effort level (and IQ) I think he should be valued as an asset. He is the last remaining young asset we have. We should be very careful how we utilize him via trade.

Harkless is better than kuzma tho
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:38 pm    Post subject:

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People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


Ideally the FO shouldn't have been dependent on getting/missing kawhi in the first place.

Once the lakers made the AD trade plus cap space, their mindset should have been to secure a max FA with the intent of not striking out. The amount of assets needed not only to get AD but to clear cap space for another max slot should have clued the FO to think not messing this up was more important rather than specifically using it for kawhi alone.

That doesn't mean you don't make kawhi first priority, but you don't wait for him to make a decision. You go down the list from like walker, butler, DLO, brogdon etc until you find people worth the cap space who are willing to take it right then.

Even the Knicks FO realized kawhi's decision could cost them other FA targets. If their incompetence could point that out then there's no excuse the laker's FO shouldn't have realize it at the first instance kawhi said he was going to take his time making a decision.

JB signed the first day with the heat, seems like he was pretty determined.
If you think the Lakers FO would went all in on Kawhi without some sort of commitment from him, you are delusional. The knicks has zero chance and they knew it.


Given how they handled the coaching search as well as the AD trade, it isn't delusional to think the lakers FO foolishly went all in on kawhi without the right commitment. Jeannie, the rambii, and rob have the experience to miss-read such a situation, especially in light of recent moves.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:40 pm    Post subject:

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I fully support the decision to not move Kuzma for Morris. It would also cost Green. The Lakers can probably do better in the summer. You look at what the Clips gave up, and vs us. That is not a player like Kuzma they gave up.

As much as he frustrates me as a player because of his inconsistent play and effort level (and IQ) I think he should be valued as an asset. He is the last remaining young asset we have. We should be very careful how we utilize him via trade.

Harkless is better than kuzma tho


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:07 pm    Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:
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LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


You're asking the wrong question. The question is should we have gone all in on Kawhi and the answer is a resounding NO.

Unfortunately our current FO operates with arrogance and ego and doesn't understand risk/reward.

You just traded for AD, you have an aging Lebron, your goal is to win a championship in the next 3 years. You goal is not to go 82-0, 16-0.

There is no doubt that Kawhi would have made us a GREAT team, but Butler/Kemba/Dlo maybe even Brogdan still make us the best team and heavy favorite to win a championship not only this year, but likely for the next 3 years.

And if you don't think adding Butler/Kemba/Dlo make us good enough to win it all, it says something about AD and means we should have never traded for AD.

Hindsight is always 20/20, I don’t think a lot on this board were saying “(bleep) kawhi, let’s go for someone else”during the summer, we even had members scouting restaurants. Everyone wanted kawhi, so the lakers got played by that snake Kawhi, after he made the decision, DG was the best player we could got, and AB, KCP, McGee, etc.
it is not fair for anyone to blame Rob for all these. How do you know jimmy wanted to sign with us? He signed with Miami the first day. How do you know DLO is going to help us? He didn’t play that well this season.

Rob went for the super team and got played by kawhi, and we are first in the west and people are complaining. This roster is far from perfect, and the least we can do is give rob some time.


Yet some of us were saying that. Kawhi was a 2 time Finals MVP and had just led his team to a title. Did people really think that he would sign here to be Lebron’s ball boy?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:20 pm    Post subject:

BigBoi wrote:
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I fully support the decision to not move Kuzma for Morris. It would also cost Green. The Lakers can probably do better in the summer. You look at what the Clips gave up, and vs us. That is not a player like Kuzma they gave up.

As much as he frustrates me as a player because of his inconsistent play and effort level (and IQ) I think he should be valued as an asset. He is the last remaining young asset we have. We should be very careful how we utilize him via trade.

Harkless is better than kuzma tho


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This is interesting.
And perhaps debatable. At this time which of the 2 is better as a player?

Then when you add in cost and potential for growth which is a better player to have?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:07 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


You're asking the wrong question. The question is should we have gone all in on Kawhi and the answer is a resounding NO.

Unfortunately our current FO operates with arrogance and ego and doesn't understand risk/reward.

You just traded for AD, you have an aging Lebron, your goal is to win a championship in the next 3 years. You goal is not to go 82-0, 16-0.

There is no doubt that Kawhi would have made us a GREAT team, but Butler/Kemba/Dlo maybe even Brogdan still make us the best team and heavy favorite to win a championship not only this year, but likely for the next 3 years.

And if you don't think adding Butler/Kemba/Dlo make us good enough to win it all, it says something about AD and means we should have never traded for AD.

Hindsight is always 20/20, I don’t think a lot on this board were saying “(bleep) kawhi, let’s go for someone else”during the summer, we even had members scouting restaurants. Everyone wanted kawhi, so the lakers got played by that snake Kawhi, after he made the decision, DG was the best player we could got, and AB, KCP, McGee, etc.
it is not fair for anyone to blame Rob for all these. How do you know jimmy wanted to sign with us? He signed with Miami the first day. How do you know DLO is going to help us? He didn’t play that well this season.

Rob went for the super team and got played by kawhi, and we are first in the west and people are complaining. This roster is far from perfect, and the least we can do is give rob some time.


Yet some of us were saying that. Kawhi was a 2 time Finals MVP and had just led his team to a title. Did people really think that he would sign here to be Lebron’s ball boy?


Should have moved quick but this is a sub-par FO with Buss and the Rambiis having some role. Reality might be they are the worst FO in LA
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:23 pm    Post subject:

They are likely the most inexperienced. That doesn’t mean that they are horrible, management failed them by not bringing in an experienced leader.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:31 pm    Post subject:

Pelinka need to be patient. Collison, Jackson, Evans, Jr Smith, Harkless or more option could be available. Need to get the best possible players to help down the stretch.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:44 pm    Post subject:

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They are likely the most inexperienced. That doesn’t mean that they are horrible, management failed them by not bringing in an experienced leader.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:24 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
3baller wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
People needs to give Rob a chance, this is year one of super team, it is hard to build a championship team year one, Miami and Cleveland didn’t win in their first season either. They can do something more this off season.
Rob has no assets to trade and no cap room to work with after kawhi, we are first in the west, what more can we ask?


Super team....

Rob went all in for 1-year. He struck out on the player needed to keep the window open for significantly more than 1 year (Kawhi) and didn’t pursue players that would give the Lakers a chance to win for 2-3 years (Dlo/Butler).

The sad reality is this will likely be the Lakers best team for the next 7-10 years unless we sign Giannis in 2021 or Beal in 2022. I wouldn't be shocked if we are a lottery team in 2 years and are stuck in the lottery for 5 or 6 years after that.

You also can't use the asset excuse as it was Rob that traded a lot of assets for nothing and he still had the max space after Kawhi, but made some bad signing decisions.


Who do you think we should have signed after we missed out on Kawhi?


You're asking the wrong question. The question is should we have gone all in on Kawhi and the answer is a resounding NO.

Unfortunately our current FO operates with arrogance and ego and doesn't understand risk/reward.

You just traded for AD, you have an aging Lebron, your goal is to win a championship in the next 3 years. You goal is not to go 82-0, 16-0.

There is no doubt that Kawhi would have made us a GREAT team, but Butler/Kemba/Dlo maybe even Brogdan still make us the best team and heavy favorite to win a championship not only this year, but likely for the next 3 years.

And if you don't think adding Butler/Kemba/Dlo make us good enough to win it all, it says something about AD and means we should have never traded for AD.

Hindsight is always 20/20, I don’t think a lot on this board were saying “(bleep) kawhi, let’s go for someone else”during the summer, we even had members scouting restaurants. Everyone wanted kawhi, so the lakers got played by that snake Kawhi, after he made the decision, DG was the best player we could got, and AB, KCP, McGee, etc.
it is not fair for anyone to blame Rob for all these. How do you know jimmy wanted to sign with us? He signed with Miami the first day. How do you know DLO is going to help us? He didn’t play that well this season.

Rob went for the super team and got played by kawhi, and we are first in the west and people are complaining. This roster is far from perfect, and the least we can do is give rob some time.


Yet some of us were saying that. Kawhi was a 2 time Finals MVP and had just led his team to a title. Did people really think that he would sign here to be Lebron’s ball boy?


We were an unprecedented BS trade request that was granted away from getting Kawhi. In case you guys have forgotten, the Clippers were already being counted out of the Kawhi sweepstakes because they failed to sign KD, Butler and failed to trade for Beal. Nobody saw the PG trade coming.

We were already the favorites heading into the final days of Kawhi's decision. So to answer LakerMindLA, YES we should have gone all in on Kawhi and we almost had him if not for PG and Presti agreeing to grant the absurd trade request of his superstar 1 year into his contract.

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