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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
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realking24 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
I actually liked Mitch but yes he did not have a good off season. Moving on from Mitch and Jim especially with the Deng and Moz contracts was best. I remember reading about it and was shocked. I was so pissed |
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Palin Star Player
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 1807
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:11 am Post subject: |
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realking24 wrote: | JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
I actually liked Mitch but yes he did not have a good off season. Moving on from Mitch and Jim especially with the Deng and Moz contracts was best. I remember reading about it and was shocked. I was so pissed |
Mitch is worst at signing FAs. We missed out on Billups due to Mitch using MLE for resigning Devean George. Overpaying guys like Sasha, Luke, Radmanovic etc. |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Can’t compare Rob and Mitch based on this off-season. Bobcat didn’t want to pay Kemba max money. In fact their aim was probably to save money. They are probably going to rebuild all over again.
Many people are short-sighted. Yes, we are a title contender next season. But the cost is Pelinka has traded 10 years of asset right from Clarkson and DLO trade to the last 1st round pick in the Pelicans trade. 10 years of asset only makes us one of the contenders instead of being the favourite to win NBA title. Oh, and this window could be only for one year.
When we entered the off-season, Pelinka had the choice to decide which path to pursuit. This is an important but not difficult task for success. If he signed a max free agent regardless trading for AD or not, we would become a title contender. If he added good role players to the young core, we would have a sustainable playoff run for many years. If he traded for AD and signed a max free agent, we would be talking about a dynasty. So if you predicted the potential outcomes of this offseason, you would know he had to be very terrible to mess this up.
I think this offseason has shown he is not an incompetent GM but he has not done anything outstanding. The most impressive thing is probably he didn’t screw things up after failing to land KL but this is because I had very little confidence in him in the first place. |
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oaktown_dimond Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Mitch as senior advisor to Rob? I highly doubt mitch would be comfortable with Rob's "creativity". But, Rob does what needs to be done.
JerryMagicKobe wrote: | epak wrote: | https://twitter.com/KyleBaileyWFNZ/status/1149407829515800577?s=19
Quote: | Kyle Bailey
@KyleBaileyWFNZ
So David Aldridge says it’s well-known around the @NBA that Mitch Kupchak is the only GM in the league NOT tampering. #BuzzCity |
This is one of the reasons I like Mitch as a person.
But as a GM, you feel like you need the snakiness of Rob.
Sad to say... |
Would have been nice to have Mitch in the role of Senior Advisor as West was for him, and Sharman was for West. |
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toffee Starting Rotation
Joined: 02 Feb 2016 Posts: 114
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:31 am Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | AllorNothing wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Dont think Giannis will leave..
Seems like a loyal kid that will stay with the Bucks unless he needs to leave.... |
Never thought Kawhi, AD, KD, or Westbrook would leave also. |
Once he suffers back-to-back Finals losses, in '20 & '21, to the Los Angeles Lakers; he will be more than happy to leave Milwaukee. |
For what it's worth, here is what Giannis said about Durant's decision to leave OKC.
Quote: | “A lot of people say they’re going to stay on a team and decide to move to a different team. But you guys got to remember: A guy might want to stay on a team, but if the team doesn’t do the right things and the right moves for the player to become great. Because, KD, the reason he wanted to stay in OKC was to win, right? So, they didn’t win the championship. That’s why he decided to leave. So do not hate only the player. Because sometimes it’s not up to the player. |
And here is what Giannis said about Kawhi's decision to leave Toronto.
Quote: | "It's insane," Antetokounmpo added of all the changes around the NBA. "Like people ask for a trade and a trade happens. Players ask for a trade, 'I want to get traded there,' and players go there. It's insane. A lot of star players have a lot of power right now. This is the league we live in. I think it's good to control your own destiny and your own career." |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:32 am Post subject: |
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JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
Mitch is about to send another team into a long period of playoff purgatory.
I am just glad we moved on from him and I will leave it at that. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:35 am Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
Mitch is about to send another team into a long period of playoff purgatory.
I am just glad we moved on from him and I will leave it at that. |
we'd be the clear favorite roster wise if didn't have to deal with the Moz and Deng contract (still). Jim and Mitch don't get enough blame. |
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Super Mega Team Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | “A lot of people say they’re going to stay on a team and decide to move to a different team. But you guys got to remember: A guy might want to stay on a team, but if the team doesn’t do the right things and the right moves for the player to become great. Because, KD, the reason he wanted to stay in OKC was to win, right? So, they didn’t win the championship. That’s why he decided to leave. So do not hate only the player. Because sometimes it’s not up to the player. |
Maybe he will feel this way about Malcolm Brogdon. _________________ Formerly OC Lakerfan |
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realking24 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:24 am Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
Mitch is about to send another team into a long period of playoff purgatory.
I am just glad we moved on from him and I will leave it at that. |
we'd be the clear favorite roster wise if didn't have to deal with the Moz and Deng contract (still). Jim and Mitch don't get enough blame. |
Oh for sure but Mitch IMO was great at trade negotiations and that’s an underestimated skill. But yeah they put themselves in a bad situation that should of cost them there jobs plus Jim wasn’t bringing in any top FA in. |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:35 am Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
Mitch is about to send another team into a long period of playoff purgatory.
I am just glad we moved on from him and I will leave it at that. |
we'd be the clear favorite roster wise if didn't have to deal with the Moz and Deng contract (still). Jim and Mitch don't get enough blame. |
At least Mitch doesn't tamper!!! |
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AshesToAshes Star Player
Joined: 20 Jun 2009 Posts: 4837
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:05 am Post subject: |
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JerryWest_44 wrote: | realking24 wrote: | Got to give props to Rob for being a players GM to a certain point. I liked him including AD on what type of players he was zeroing in on with his waived 4 million. That’s a good quality to have IMO. Also filled out a solid plan B. |
Meanwhile MK gets a big fat F for Charlotte’s off season FA effort |
Still better than Jim Buss and Chaz who's best accomplishment is still sitting at the bar and posting here without anyone knowing..
_________________ KOBE!!! |
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AshesToAshes Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:05 am Post subject: |
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delete _________________ KOBE!!! |
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Super Mega Team Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Rob offered a bench coach position to entice Phil Handy to come here. Another good move.
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“Honestly the hardest decisions I’ve had to make in my professional career in the last 48 hrs. Words cannot express my gratitude to the @raptors organization, the city of #toronto #canada and some of the best fans in the world! It was hard to leave this city and team after the historical season we had. Sometimes professional sports can be unforgiving in things that happen. I will never forget the love that you all showed me the moment I became a #raptor ... I will never forget how #canada showed up for that parade! WE ARE #NBACHAMPS FOR LIFE. This next chapter for me is about professional growth and an opportunity to further my career by becoming a bench coach with the @lakers ... never easy to move from a #comfortable place but I always say “be comfortable being uncomfortable”... Thank you TORONTO for making me one of yours! #wethechamps #wethenorth #wemadehistory #thejourneycontinues” |
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz73cBrF8U3/?igshid=pnu74h4r4la _________________ Formerly OC Lakerfan |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: |
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It's so funny when a GM signs players or gets coaches that you want. It starts limiting things you can complain about. |
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mxgardens Sixth Man
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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So true. I get the frustration when a player who would fit perfectly signs elsewhere. But there are 29 other teams with experienced FO personnel, and (believe it or not) some players actually decide to play for one of those other teams even when the Lakers extend a contract offer. |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Rob's doing alright...
That is all I gotta say about that |
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JUST-MING Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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I was just thinking there is no way Mitch Kupchek could have put together this roster. How many countless old veterans did Kupchek overpay? 37 year old Vlade Divac at 5 years, full MLE (retired during his first season).
In contrast, Avery Bradley is 28 years old, season removed from first team all-defense, lost 40lbs. Demarcus Cousins is 28 years old, few seasons removed from second team all-league, lost 40lbs. Quinn Cook is 26 years old, might be the starting point guard. Troy Daniels is 28 years old, 3 point specialist. That is ‘filling out’ the roster after signing Danny Green in free agency, then re-signing Rajon Rondo, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Javale Mcgee from last year’s roster. |
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LAL1947 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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#PelinkaForPresident!
... of the Lakers' Basketball Operations, ofc. |
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Runway8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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To me, the grade is incomplete until AD signs extension. You don't mortgage everything without a promise from Klutch that he'll resign. If he walks, that would mean that there was no prior agreement, and that is a total failure on Rob, Jeanie, Tim Harris, AEG, whoever. |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Runway8 wrote: | To me, the grade is incomplete until AD signs extension. You don't mortgage everything without a promise from Klutch that he'll resign. If he walks, that would mean that there was no prior agreement, and that is a total failure on Rob, Jeanie, Tim Harris, AEG, whoever. |
Right now I give Rob an A- for the offseason but you are correct about re-signing AD. It's going to be lingering over our heads during the season and if things don't go well we could be looking at another Dwight situation except with way more assets given up. |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Before the whole Magic fiasco went public, I felt Rob was disappointing and an in-over-his-head GM. After getting AD (although at a steep cost) and signing good pieces around our two stars, I think he's proven to be pretty decent so far. The problem ended up being our POBO. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:26 am Post subject: |
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6 summers ago, we signed post-Achilles Kobe, Wes Johnson, Nick Young, Farmar and Chris Kaman |
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laker50 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Rob did a great job holding the Lakers together after the Kawhi decision.
But he did make some moves that was questionable, like 4 PGs and Daniels when there is no backup defensive SF on the roster.
But at the present time it can be worked on.
And he will have bigger problems finding out how the present squad meshes.
There have been so many changes on the roster, but all for the good.
All brand new coaches.
Almost a new team that has to be integrated.
There is still a big job to be done by the coaches. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Got us shooters.
Got some legit coaches.
Got some player developers.
Got a shooting coach.
What is going on? |
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