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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Mike D'Antoni: Mitch and Jim weren't the problem

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject:

A very nice reponse from Antoni. He could be bitter.

And I hope Magic reads and does not turn us in to the Knicks West by making a bunch of short term deals to get us back into the playoffs at the expense of our long term growth.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject:

This summer will tell us a lot about the direction, Magic is willing to be patient with the youth, but we all know deep down.. he wants to win as soon as possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject:

MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject:

He has a point, but at the same time there was plenty to question under Jim & Mitch and a change was due.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject:

Love that he mentioned the CP3 deal that we got screwed on.

And I think Magic's appeal won't yield FA signings - but hopefully it results in meetings. In the end, Mitch and Jim weren't even getting the meetings.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject:

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Love that he mentioned the CP3 deal that we got screwed on.

And I think Magic's appeal won't yield FA signings - but hopefully it results in meetings. In the end, Mitch and Jim weren't even getting the meetings.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject:

Funny out of two of our fired coaches one of whom was a Laker great, one of them is heralding praise for the firing while the other isn't
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject:

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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He would have been a better fit with the current roster, but IMO he's not a very good HC. He's a poor leader and was unwilling or unable to adapt to a roster that very obviously wasn't suited to run his offense. He's succeeding now because Harden is at the absolute zenith of his career and he's allowing him to do everything...ala Russell Westbrook in OKC. Harden is a top 50 player of all time at this peak, his team should be in the playoffs regardless of the coaching or his teammates.

Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year...our problem is that we don't have good perimeter defenders, no rim protection and we don't make enough effort on that end and do the basics like box out. Pringles aint gonna help with that...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject:

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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He's not just a decent head coach. He's about to be named Coach of the Year.

The main issues with him were basically his inability to deviate from his system, poor social skills, and inability to coach defense. If we'd hired a defensive specialist as lead assistant under him, then he could have had better results.

I'm not sure Luke is really all that much better than him.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:58 am    Post subject:

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Funny out of two of our fired coaches one of whom was a Laker great, one of them is heralding praise for the firing while the other isn't


MDA probably has better things to say considering he was able to land another coaching gig and has managed to somehow recreate the success in Houston that is reminiscent of his success in Phoenix. Byron on the other hand doesn't look like he'll ever land another coaching gig in the NBA ever again. So yes, MDA does have better memories because if he didn't get fired here he would've probably never landed the Houston gig.
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Fortysixn2 wrote:
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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He would have been a better fit with the current roster, but IMO he's not a very good HC. He's a poor leader and was unwilling or unable to adapt to a roster that very obviously wasn't suited to run his offense. He's succeeding now because Harden is at the absolute zenith of his career and he's allowing him to do everything...ala Russell Westbrook in OKC. Harden is a top 50 player of all time at this peak, his team should be in the playoffs regardless of the coaching or his teammates.

Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year...our problem is that we don't have good perimeter defenders, no rim protection and we don't make enough effort on that end and do the basics like box out. Pringles aint gonna help with that...


Easy to pin all their success on Harden, but you have to realize they won by subtraction. They got a supposedly more talent guy in D12 who didn't fit well with the offense they wanted to run. 120, 130, 140 point nights aren't uncommon for that team and that credit goes to the offensive system they are running. Look at their roster and compare them to a team like the Clippers. They ran the Clippers out of the building with supposedly less stacked team.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject:

MozDeng beg to differ...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He would have been a better fit with the current roster, but IMO he's not a very good HC. He's a poor leader and was unwilling or unable to adapt to a roster that very obviously wasn't suited to run his offense. He's succeeding now because Harden is at the absolute zenith of his career and he's allowing him to do everything...ala Russell Westbrook in OKC. Harden is a top 50 player of all time at this peak, his team should be in the playoffs regardless of the coaching or his teammates.

Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year...our problem is that we don't have good perimeter defenders, no rim protection and we don't make enough effort on that end and do the basics like box out. Pringles aint gonna help with that...


Man. Houston is on pace to win 57 games with either Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson as their 2nd best player. Literally the same two guys that Anthony Davis couldn't get to the playoffs with.

Mike D'Antoni was the person who was right, screaming amongst a chorus of people within the Lakers organization...both on the court and off...who were wrong. Remember what an (bleep) he was for having Pau Gasol shoot (gasp!) 28 threes in a season? That same guy shot 69 last year and has already shot 52 this year under probably the greatest coach in NBA history.

No, he's not a leader of men, but people were chanting "We Want Phil!" in this guy's first game. This organization, its players, and its fan base never gave him a chance to succeed here, because of their hubris. And we ended up getting what we deserved.

At least we got high draft picks out of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject:

Silverscreenandroll also had an article about this:

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/3/3/14805386/la-lakers-news-jim-buss-mitch-kupchak-werent-problem-mike-dantoni-magic-johnson-kobe-bryant

One thing that i'd like to point out:

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Johnson seems to have people under the assumption that his smile and charm might be able to convince athletes to leave money on the table in an era of the most empowered athletes we’ve ever seen.

D’Antoni is absolutely right to wonder how that might play out and, when it’s put that way, you can’t help but recognize how potential moronic it might be to think the Lakers are simply falling back on that exceptionalism they can’t seem to move on from.


And jives with my feelings on Magic's hire. He's far from a sure thing. While Pelinka can hopefully buoy that, I still think the Lakers greatest asset right now is their drafting and scouting department. Its gravely important that we hit in the draft and actually start winning games. That will be a greater draw for this team than Pelinka's connections or Magic's smile.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject:

City_Dawg wrote:
Silverscreenandroll also had an article about this:

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/3/3/14805386/la-lakers-news-jim-buss-mitch-kupchak-werent-problem-mike-dantoni-magic-johnson-kobe-bryant

One thing that i'd like to point out:

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Johnson seems to have people under the assumption that his smile and charm might be able to convince athletes to leave money on the table in an era of the most empowered athletes we’ve ever seen.

D’Antoni is absolutely right to wonder how that might play out and, when it’s put that way, you can’t help but recognize how potential moronic it might be to think the Lakers are simply falling back on that exceptionalism they can’t seem to move on from.


And jives with my feelings on Magic's hire. He's far from a sure thing. While Pelinka can hopefully buoy that, I still think the Lakers greatest asset right now is their drafting and scouting department. Its gravely important that we hit in the draft and actually start winning games. That will be a greater draw for this team than Pelinka's connections or Magic's smile.
Got that right homie.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:19 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He's not just a decent head coach. He's about to be named Coach of the Year.

The main issues with him were basically his inability to deviate from his system, poor social skills, and inability to coach defense. If we'd hired a defensive specialist as lead assistant under him, then he could have had better results.

I'm not sure Luke is really all that much better than him.


The Rockets are 14th in Defensive Rating with several pretty bad defensive players getting huge minutes. The defensive issue was totally overblown, and stemmed from an era where most people didn't understand stats like Defensive Rating in the first place.
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GoldenThroat wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He would have been a better fit with the current roster, but IMO he's not a very good HC. He's a poor leader and was unwilling or unable to adapt to a roster that very obviously wasn't suited to run his offense. He's succeeding now because Harden is at the absolute zenith of his career and he's allowing him to do everything...ala Russell Westbrook in OKC. Harden is a top 50 player of all time at this peak, his team should be in the playoffs regardless of the coaching or his teammates.

Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year...our problem is that we don't have good perimeter defenders, no rim protection and we don't make enough effort on that end and do the basics like box out. Pringles aint gonna help with that...


Man. Houston is on pace to win 57 games with either Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson as their 2nd best player. Literally the same two guys that Anthony Davis couldn't get to the playoffs with.

Mike D'Antoni was the person who was right, screaming amongst a chorus of people within the Lakers organization...both on the court and off...who were wrong. Remember what an (bleep) he was for having Pau Gasol shoot (gasp!) 28 threes in a season? That same guy shot 69 last year and has already shot 52 this year under probably the greatest coach in NBA history.

No, he's not a leader of men, but people were chanting "We Want Phil!" in this guy's first game. This organization, its players, and its fan base never gave him a chance to succeed here, because of their hubris. And we ended up getting what we deserved.

At least we got high draft picks out of it.


Sad thing is..

The last brilliant move of Jerry Buss will never get credit now.

Jerry Buss saw the direction the league was headed, away from the "Triangle systems" and was headed towards a pick and roll style game that D'Antoni ran. He saw the league was headed more towards the small ball style and away from the 'post big with little defense' styles.

When D'Antoni came in and tried to make Pau into a stretch 4 and turn Dwight into a pick and roll 5 (despite him no longer wanting to be a pick and roll 5) he was headed in the direction the league was going.


The sad thing is, had it worked out, had Dwight got his head out of his [expletive], had Nash ever recovered, had Pau stopped picking and choosing when he'd sit out of games cause he was avoiding the trade deadline (because he WOULD have been sent for Ryan Anderson and some change) then we may be looking at the move much differently by the time the Warriors came along.

Think about it. The vision for the Lakers after the Spurs beat them was getting Chris Paul and Dwight Howard along with Kobe and a different style to take the Lakers into this next generation, and once CP3 was taken away, Nash replaced him.


The biggest thing is, Jerry Buss saw the direction the league was headed 2-3 seasons before anyone else did, and when the league finally caught on. D'Antoni was let go of, and Bryon Scott(Jeanie's pick) and his 'old school style' was brought in, and for two seasons the Lakers remained behind the rest of the league in style as the league moved onward and the Lakers remained stuck in the past after being bashed for moving towards what WAS the actual future of the league.


So the most disheartening thing to me really, is that it didn't work out. Because instead of the last thing Jerry Buss did being the last visionary move he made in terms of where the league was headed, it instead becomes about his son and his daughter disagreeing about his daughters boyfriend and her using it to get him ousted as head of basketball operations...

THAT is the most heartbreaking thing to me actually. Especially when I think about D'Antoni's time here.

Yet years later here we stand, watching what Phil's style is doing in New York, what Okafor's old school big, is accomplishing in Philadelphia, and what the Warriors and Rockets are doing, with D'Antoni's style....


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Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year.....


We rank 24 out of 30 teams in offensive rating, and our shooting percentage, 3-point shooting and other measures are in the bottom third of the league.

Our offensive sucks, just not quite as badly as our defense.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He would have been a better fit with the current roster, but IMO he's not a very good HC. He's a poor leader and was unwilling or unable to adapt to a roster that very obviously wasn't suited to run his offense. He's succeeding now because Harden is at the absolute zenith of his career and he's allowing him to do everything...ala Russell Westbrook in OKC. Harden is a top 50 player of all time at this peak, his team should be in the playoffs regardless of the coaching or his teammates.

Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year...our problem is that we don't have good perimeter defenders, no rim protection and we don't make enough effort on that end and do the basics like box out. Pringles aint gonna help with that...


Man. Houston is on pace to win 57 games with either Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson as their 2nd best player. Literally the same two guys that Anthony Davis couldn't get to the playoffs with.

Mike D'Antoni was the person who was right, screaming amongst a chorus of people within the Lakers organization...both on the court and off...who were wrong. Remember what an (bleep) he was for having Pau Gasol shoot (gasp!) 28 threes in a season? That same guy shot 69 last year and has already shot 52 this year under probably the greatest coach in NBA history.

No, he's not a leader of men, but people were chanting "We Want Phil!" in this guy's first game. This organization, its players, and its fan base never gave him a chance to succeed here, because of their hubris. And we ended up getting what we deserved.

At least we got high draft picks out of it.

TBF if we didn't have D'Antoni as coach in '13-'14 we might have gotten Wiggins/ Jabari/ Embiid
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Incredible really
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
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lakersken80 wrote:
MDA was the wrong coach for that roster....
I think he would've fit in better with the current roster.
He would've been amazing with Dlo, Slim, JC and Jrock. Shame. He is a decent HC.


He would have been a better fit with the current roster, but IMO he's not a very good HC. He's a poor leader and was unwilling or unable to adapt to a roster that very obviously wasn't suited to run his offense. He's succeeding now because Harden is at the absolute zenith of his career and he's allowing him to do everything...ala Russell Westbrook in OKC. Harden is a top 50 player of all time at this peak, his team should be in the playoffs regardless of the coaching or his teammates.

Anyway, pre lou trade our offense was great...better than a lot of playoff teams this year...our problem is that we don't have good perimeter defenders, no rim protection and we don't make enough effort on that end and do the basics like box out. Pringles aint gonna help with that...


Man. Houston is on pace to win 57 games with either Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson as their 2nd best player. Literally the same two guys that Anthony Davis couldn't get to the playoffs with.

Mike D'Antoni was the person who was right, screaming amongst a chorus of people within the Lakers organization...both on the court and off...who were wrong. Remember what an (bleep) he was for having Pau Gasol shoot (gasp!) 28 threes in a season? That same guy shot 69 last year and has already shot 52 this year under probably the greatest coach in NBA history.

No, he's not a leader of men, but people were chanting "We Want Phil!" in this guy's first game. This organization, its players, and its fan base never gave him a chance to succeed here, because of their hubris. And we ended up getting what we deserved.

At least we got high draft picks out of it.


Thank you! Dantoni never got a chance from the fans and media in Los Angeles.

And TBH with a crappy team of Young, Kendall, Bazemore, Shawne Williams (lol), Steve Blake. They were playing awesome Basketball.

Dantoni is a great coach and has been raved about by other greats in the business.

It takes a whole team from Management to coaches to players to buy in and accept a system. If one player is not buying in and hurting the team it will ruin everything and at that point its up to management to control the situation.

Pop has no problems controlling players because he has full support from management and if someone isn't playing the way he likes they are off the team period.

Modern NBA is about players with Skill including shooting, passing, dribbling, IQ and less about how high you can jump.

Players like Blake Griffin and Paul George who many consider to be stars are overrated because they lack skills in certain fundamental areas. To have a solid team you have to have players with Fundamental skills buying in.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
TBF if we didn't have D'Antoni as coach in '13-'14 we might have gotten Wiggins/ Jabari/ Embiid


These were our Top 10 guys in minutes played that year. People thought he was terrible for winning 27 games w/this team.

1) Jodie Meeks
2) Wesley Johnson
3) Pau Gasol
4) Nick Young
5) Kendall Marshall
6) Jordan Hill
7) Ryan Kelly
8) Robert Sacre
9) Jordan Farmar
10) Xavier Henry
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
tox wrote:
TBF if we didn't have D'Antoni as coach in '13-'14 we might have gotten Wiggins/ Jabari/ Embiid


These were our Top 10 guys in minutes played that year. People thought he was terrible for winning 27 games w/this team.

1) Jodie Meeks
2) Wesley Johnson
3) Pau Gasol
4) Nick Young
5) Kendall Marshall
6) Jordan Hill
7) Ryan Kelly
8) Robert Sacre
9) Jordan Farmar
10) Xavier Henry


Lol yeah I was saying the same thing you forgot Shawne Williams lol
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