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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:56 pm    Post subject: Westbrook chasing history

Westbrook has 24/10/16 right now in the 3rd quarter and OKC is going to win comfortably against Toronto, up 97-70. This triple double tonight gives him the 34th on the year out of 68 games. He needs 8 more in 14 games to beat Oscar's record. Can he do it?
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Who's going to stop him? His teammates? His coach? Naw.

I wouldn't call Westbrook's performance "empty stats." I could go with "half empty stats." In about six weeks, we're going to have to listen to some of the talking heads whining about how Westbrook posted all those numbers but didn't win the MVP.
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Who's going to stop him? His teammates? His coach? Naw.

I wouldn't call Westbrook's performance "empty stats." I could go with "half empty stats." In about six weeks, we're going to have to listen to some of the talking heads whining about how Westbrook posted all those numbers but didn't win the MVP.

Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject:

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In about six weeks, we're going to have to listen to some of the talking heads whining about how Westbrook posted all those numbers but didn't win the MVP.


Hopefully.
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Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.


OKC is not a deprived team. Kanter, Adams and Oladipo are very good players. All max level guys. I'm not saying the team is stacked, but he isn't playing with scrubs.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:35 pm    Post subject:

Averaging a triple double in less than 35 minutes per game and carrying his team to a 4-6 seed in the west. Oscar needed 44 minutes per. There should be no MVP debate.
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Averaging a triple double in less than 35 minutes per game and carrying his team to a 4-6 seed in the west. Oscar needed 44 minutes per. There should be no MVP debate.


The LG Experts didn't want him in the off season.
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Dude's knees are going to dissolve.
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Averaging a triple double in less than 35 minutes per game and carrying his team to a 4-6 seed in the west. Oscar needed 44 minutes per. There should be no MVP debate.


Naw. The guy is about to blow away the all-time record for usage rate. When Kobe set the record at 38.74% in '06, he was widely derided as a ball hog. Well, Westbrook is currently at 42%.

Oscar didn't win the MVP in his triple double season, either.
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Averaging a triple double in less than 35 minutes per game and carrying his team to a 4-6 seed in the west. Oscar needed 44 minutes per. There should be no MVP debate.


Naw. The guy is about to blow away the all-time record for usage rate. When Kobe set the record at 38.74% in '06, he was widely derided as a ball hog. Well, Westbrook is currently at 42%.

Oscar didn't win the MVP in his triple double season, either.


He's also shooting under 42% from the field (or under 47% eFG) with 5.3 turnovers per game. And his defense isn't exactly DPOY quality.

So, yeah, there's plenty of debate. For my $$$, I'd take Harden, Kawhi and LeBron over Westbrook in the R/S MVP race at this point ...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject:

This new generation is breaking some records. 73 wins. 13 3's in a game. Westbrook will prob average a triple double. What's next? The 33-game win streak? Kobe's 81?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject:

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Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.


OKC is not a deprived team. Kanter, Adams and Oladipo are very good players. All max level guys. I'm not saying the team is stacked, but he isn't playing with scrubs.

OKC is somewhat deprived. Oladipo and Adams are good players, but they aren't high level scoring threats that cause opposing coaches to lose sleep. Plus, they are a bad 3 pt shooting team. That makes what Westbrook is doing all the more impressive. As opposed to Lebron averaging 9 assist a game on a team with an embarrassment of riches. Lebron's assists this year are somewhat inflated. Westbrook is getting his the hard way.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject:

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Who's going to stop him? His teammates? His coach? Naw.

I wouldn't call Westbrook's performance "empty stats." I could go with "half empty stats." In about six weeks, we're going to have to listen to some of the talking heads whining about how Westbrook posted all those numbers but didn't win the MVP.


They've been trying to make Curry's "winning matters" statement into a crime against humanity so i think you're underplaying the potential for those talking heads.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject:

Boy, I am going to find it hard to see how Westbrook doesn't get MVP.

He is the definition of most valuable player. You take him off the Thunder and that team is competing with the Lakers for second worst record.

You can't even call him a ball hog like they did Kobe since he's averaging at least 10 assists a game and his team isn't a bottom dweller either (another excuse against Kobe).

He's carrying that team and then some.

But yet, there is that sliver of a chance he gets robbed. You just can't trust the voters.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject:

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If I had a ballot he'd probably finish 4th.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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Boy, I am going to find it hard to see how Westbrook doesn't get MVP.


If I had a ballot he'd probably finish 4th.


I think you can make a legitimate case for Harden, Westbrook, Lebron, or Leonard.

My gut tells me harden will end up with it.
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Boy, I am going to find it hard to see how Westbrook doesn't get MVP.


If I had a ballot he'd probably finish 4th.


I think you can make a legitimate case for Harden, Westbrook, Lebron, or Leonard.

My gut tells me harden will end up with it.


Those are definitely the 4 candidates. My order would probably be LeBron, Leonard, Harden, Westbrook. I agree Harden will get it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject:

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Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.


OKC is not a deprived team. Kanter, Adams and Oladipo are very good players. All max level guys. I'm not saying the team is stacked, but he isn't playing with scrubs.

OKC is somewhat deprived. Oladipo and Adams are good players, but they aren't high level scoring threats that cause opposing coaches to lose sleep. Plus, they are a bad 3 pt shooting team. That makes what Westbrook is doing all the more impressive. As opposed to Lebron averaging 9 assist a game on a team with an embarrassment of riches. Lebron's assists this year are somewhat inflated. Westbrook is getting his the hard way.


No other Rockets (outside of Harden) cause coaches to lose sleep either. Westbrook doesn't have a stacked team like LeBron but his team is not deprived. Unless by deprived you mean not title contending talent.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject:

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Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.


OKC is not a deprived team. Kanter, Adams and Oladipo are very good players. All max level guys. I'm not saying the team is stacked, but he isn't playing with scrubs.

OKC is somewhat deprived. Oladipo and Adams are good players, but they aren't high level scoring threats that cause opposing coaches to lose sleep. Plus, they are a bad 3 pt shooting team. That makes what Westbrook is doing all the more impressive. As opposed to Lebron averaging 9 assist a game on a team with an embarrassment of riches. Lebron's assists this year are somewhat inflated. Westbrook is getting his the hard way.


No other Rockets (outside of Harden) cause coaches to lose sleep either. Westbrook doesn't have a stacked team like LeBron but his team is not deprived. Unless by deprived you mean not title contending talent.

Maybe so, but I think you'd agree that Houston clearly has more talent than OKC, right? I love what Harden is doing in terms of his stats, but Westbrook getting 10 assists a game is more impressive than Harden doing that in a system that is all about up-tempo open court ball, on a team with more 3-pt shooting threats.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject:

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This new generation is breaking some records. 73 wins. 13 3's in a game. Westbrook will prob average a triple double. What's next? The 33-game win streak? Kobe's 81?


blasphemy, those are PnG records
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:44 am    Post subject:

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This new generation is breaking some records. 73 wins. 13 3's in a game. Westbrook will prob average a triple double. What's next? The 33-game win streak? Kobe's 81?


blasphemy, those are PnG records


Klay could have broken 81 earlier this year if he had really wanted to. He had 60 in three quarters.
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slavavov wrote:
Dreamshake wrote:
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Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.


OKC is not a deprived team. Kanter, Adams and Oladipo are very good players. All max level guys. I'm not saying the team is stacked, but he isn't playing with scrubs.

OKC is somewhat deprived. Oladipo and Adams are good players, but they aren't high level scoring threats that cause opposing coaches to lose sleep. Plus, they are a bad 3 pt shooting team. That makes what Westbrook is doing all the more impressive. As opposed to Lebron averaging 9 assist a game on a team with an embarrassment of riches. Lebron's assists this year are somewhat inflated. Westbrook is getting his the hard way.


No other Rockets (outside of Harden) cause coaches to lose sleep either. Westbrook doesn't have a stacked team like LeBron but his team is not deprived. Unless by deprived you mean not title contending talent.

Maybe so, but I think you'd agree that Houston clearly has more talent than OKC, right? I love what Harden is doing in terms of his stats, but Westbrook getting 10 assists a game is more impressive than Harden doing that in a system that is all about up-tempo open court ball, on a team with more 3-pt shooting threats.


I definitely don't agree that Houston has more talent. Presti wouldn't trade Oladipo, Kanter or Adams for any Rocket not named Harden. I do think we utilize our talent better though.

The Rockets are an average 3 point shooting team, like 15th in the league. We just take a ton. Harden isn't surrounded by great shooters.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject:

Harden clear #1 right now, Leonard #2 and Westbrook/Lebron to tail it off.

KD would have probably won it had he stayed healthy.
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Dreamshake wrote:
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Dreamshake wrote:
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Yeah, Westbrook's doing the best he can for this deprived OKC team, but with Houston exceeding most people's expectations, I don't see him passing Harden in the MVP race. Kawhi is an interesting candidate to me, and I'd heavily consider him if San Antonio passes GSW in the standings by the end of the year.


OKC is not a deprived team. Kanter, Adams and Oladipo are very good players. All max level guys. I'm not saying the team is stacked, but he isn't playing with scrubs.

OKC is somewhat deprived. Oladipo and Adams are good players, but they aren't high level scoring threats that cause opposing coaches to lose sleep. Plus, they are a bad 3 pt shooting team. That makes what Westbrook is doing all the more impressive. As opposed to Lebron averaging 9 assist a game on a team with an embarrassment of riches. Lebron's assists this year are somewhat inflated. Westbrook is getting his the hard way.


No other Rockets (outside of Harden) cause coaches to lose sleep either. Westbrook doesn't have a stacked team like LeBron but his team is not deprived. Unless by deprived you mean not title contending talent.

Maybe so, but I think you'd agree that Houston clearly has more talent than OKC, right? I love what Harden is doing in terms of his stats, but Westbrook getting 10 assists a game is more impressive than Harden doing that in a system that is all about up-tempo open court ball, on a team with more 3-pt shooting threats.


I definitely don't agree that Houston has more talent. Presti wouldn't trade Oladipo, Kanter or Adams for any Rocket not named Harden. I do think we utilize our talent better though.

The Rockets are an average 3 point shooting team, like 15th in the league. We just take a ton. Harden isn't surrounded by great shooters.


Don't think you can say HOU has more talent than OKC. Pretty much a tie..if anything OKC has much better "pieces". Harden's team just plays much better and that's because of Harden. Harden > Westbrook..you haven't watched enough basketball this year if you think otherwise.
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Averaging a triple double in less than 35 minutes per game and carrying his team to a 4-6 seed in the west. Oscar needed 44 minutes per. There should be no MVP debate.


Naw. The guy is about to blow away the all-time record for usage rate. When Kobe set the record at 38.74% in '06, he was widely derided as a ball hog. Well, Westbrook is currently at 42%.

Oscar didn't win the MVP in his triple double season, either.


He's also shooting under 42% from the field (or under 47% eFG) with 5.3 turnovers per game. And his defense isn't exactly DPOY quality.

So, yeah, there's plenty of debate. For my $$$, I'd take Harden, Kawhi and LeBron over Westbrook in the R/S MVP race at this point ...


As usage increases, efficiency decreases. So what you and AH are saying is linked.

People arguing against WB remind me of the arguments made against Kobe from 2005 - 2007. In retrospect, it was total nonsense. He was the best player in the league. And he was doing the most.
Harden reminds me of the Nash/Dirk argument. Players who are doing less on the floor and have better team records.
Meanwhile WB/Kobe is carrying an otherwise non-playoff team to the postseason
Kobe dropped his 81 point game, 4 back-to-back 50 point games, back-to-back 60 point games, seasons with 20 40+ point games. Team going 16-4 over those 20 games. With Smush Parker and Kwame Brown starting. But "Nash and Dirk deserve those MVPs."

Next I'll hear how OKC would be better if Westbrook did less. Just like I heard about Kobe from 2005-2007. Then when Pau shows up in 2008, magically Kobe isn't a selfish ass hole anymore.
MVP is supposed to be an individual award. What individual has had the best season.

I just laugh thinking about what WB would look like next to floor spacers like Ariza and Ryan Anderson. While Harden tries to kick out to Andre Roberson. Splitting paint space with Sabonis, Gibson, Adams, and Kanter.

Harden does deserve MVP consideration moreso than Dirk and Nash back in the day. I'm more impressed with Harden than I was with those guys back in the day. But I still stand by the Kobe = WB, Harden = Nash, Dirk metaphor.
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