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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject: Better coach between D'Antoni and Luke?

D'Antoni is about to win Coach of the Year while Luke has guided the Lakers to the worst record in the Western conference. D'Antoini's 27-55 record in 2013-2014 was also superior to the current pace for this season despite the fact that he had less talent to work with. Is it time to admit that either D'Antoni wasn't that bad or that Luke isn't that good? (Or both).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject:

D'Antoni was ousted unfairly by the LA media and fans
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject:

Right now it's Dantoni and it's not even close.

Even during his time here, he got the best from most if not all of our players even when their skill sets did not fit his system at all. And even then, a team with Nick Young as our best player was a 27 win team.

The irony is that this is the roster that Dantoni would have loved here. DLO would be a near triple double machine with Dantoni here and the 3 point shooting would be way more improved than what what we are seeing this year.

Other difference would be that Dantoni would encourage Randle to actually shoot the damn 3s instead of Luke literally saying yesterday the opposite.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject:

The comparison being made in the opening post is completely unfair.

Also, the issues with D'Antoni have always been in the playoffs because he has obviously had good teams before.

Luke is a new coach and doesn't have a good roster so we'll see how he is as a coach in the coming years.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject:

D'Antoni may have accomplished more thus far, but Luke is only in his first season. D'Antoni's best teams benefitted from having an allstar roster (e.g., Suns) and/or an MVP-caliber player. Luke is coaching a team of players that have very little NBA experience. I realize this is similar to the argument made about Phil, but the difference is D'Antoni hasn't won (bleep). I think it is highly probable that Luke will accomplish more than D'Antoni in his coaching career.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject:

Bit of an unfair comparison. MDA is a seasoned coach. Luke is a rookie. Right now it's MDA and not even close.

At least with MDA, you know the formula for success. Get him an all star guard and some shooters and he will make it happen.

With Luke, we dont know what success under Luke looks like as a head coach, or if he can even have success at all. Time will tell.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject:

As another poster said, I would LOVE to see what MDA could have done with our guards. Definitely would get more out of them than Luke has. Like still doesn't know whether to play DLo at 1, off the bench, or at the 2.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:11 pm    Post subject:

MDA is a much better coach right now. Luke maybe has potential to be better, but I wouldn't expect it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject:

Kind of silly to compare a rookie to a vet in terms of who is better right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:14 pm    Post subject:

BadGuy wrote:
D'Antoni may have accomplished more thus far, but Luke is only in his first season. D'Antoni's best teams benefitted from having an allstar roster (e.g., Suns) and/or an MVP-caliber player. Luke is coaching a team of players that have very little NBA experience. I realize this is similar to the argument made about Phil, but the difference is D'Antoni hasn't won (bleep). I think it is highly probable that Luke will accomplish more than D'Antoni in his coaching career.


Nash was not a real MVP level player-- he just looked like one in D'Antoni's offense, which generally makes people look around a level better than they really are. (So a scrub like Kendall Marshall looks like a legitimate starter, a fringe starter like Jeremy Lin looks like an All-Star, and a mid-level All-Star like Nash looks like an MVP).

Amar'e was one of the most overrated players of this generation.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject:

D'Antoni is a better coach at this time. If he wasn't..that would be sad.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:30 pm    Post subject:

D'Antoni got a raw deal, but comparing him to a first year coach is not reasonable. Playing down multiple MVP award winner Steve Nash's prowess to make your point is weak. Anyone who watched him play knows better.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:43 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
BadGuy wrote:
D'Antoni may have accomplished more thus far, but Luke is only in his first season. D'Antoni's best teams benefitted from having an allstar roster (e.g., Suns) and/or an MVP-caliber player. Luke is coaching a team of players that have very little NBA experience. I realize this is similar to the argument made about Phil, but the difference is D'Antoni hasn't won (bleep). I think it is highly probable that Luke will accomplish more than D'Antoni in his coaching career.


Nash was not a real MVP level player-- he just looked like one in D'Antoni's offense, which generally makes people look around a level better than they really are. (So a scrub like Kendall Marshall looks like a legitimate starter, a fringe starter like Jeremy Lin looks like an All-Star, and a mid-level All-Star like Nash looks like an MVP).

Amar'e was one of the most overrated players of this generation.


His system help players stats but to down play how good Steve Nash was is crazy.

The guy was a sharp shooter who could drop a dime on any defense. The guy was a top 3 offensive player in the NBA. In my mind he was the best player to never win a ring
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:46 pm    Post subject:

Bad comp. I'm a big D'Antoni fan. He was treated like crap.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject:

Antoni will never be a champion, without D

He was lucky to find a team with some pretty good defenders. In my eyes he's crap. Nobody will talk about Antoni in a few years.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject:

Dantoni has Harden, Luke doesn't. Luke had Steph and Klay last year for a short stint and he did just fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:26 am    Post subject:

dantoni was a great coach he was just really annoying
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:46 am    Post subject:

One is a proven coach maybe on his way to HOF and the other in his first year and you already want to make a comparison?

Slow it down and ask again in about... ten years?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:01 am    Post subject:

Unfair question, Luke is a rookie
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject:

Apples and oranges but I went with Luke simply because he will be better at working with the ingredients he has once he gets more years under his belt. Dantoni is great when he has the right combination of players to run his system. If he doesn't he's screwed. Time will tell but I feel much better going forward with Luke.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:31 am    Post subject:

Lucky_Shot wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
BadGuy wrote:
D'Antoni may have accomplished more thus far, but Luke is only in his first season. D'Antoni's best teams benefitted from having an allstar roster (e.g., Suns) and/or an MVP-caliber player. Luke is coaching a team of players that have very little NBA experience. I realize this is similar to the argument made about Phil, but the difference is D'Antoni hasn't won (bleep). I think it is highly probable that Luke will accomplish more than D'Antoni in his coaching career.


Nash was not a real MVP level player-- he just looked like one in D'Antoni's offense, which generally makes people look around a level better than they really are. (So a scrub like Kendall Marshall looks like a legitimate starter, a fringe starter like Jeremy Lin looks like an All-Star, and a mid-level All-Star like Nash looks like an MVP).

Amar'e was one of the most overrated players of this generation.


His system help players stats but to down play how good Steve Nash was is crazy.

The guy was a sharp shooter who could drop a dime on any defense. The guy was a top 3 offensive player in the NBA. In my mind he was the best player to never win a ring


To be fair too, Nash was never "Nash" without MDA. He was still good, but never quite the level of "Nash". Neither was Lin. And neither Harden.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:31 am    Post subject:

I didn't think anyone expected Luke to be better than MDA this season. This is almost not even a serious question. Luke is 36 years old and just three years removed from his own playing career. MDA has coached for 20+ years internationally and the NBA, and ran the offense that influenced the direction the league eventually moved towards. If we wanted to win more games now, the obvious choice would be Mike. If we wanted a coach that could potentially grow into a great coach along with our current players (and beyond), then Luke could be the guy.

As for whether or not MDA was actually not as bad as his critics (many of whom reside here), the answer has been yes since 2014. He walked into a situation where people were unwilling to give him a chance because his name wasn't Phil Jackson, an older team that didn't fit his vision beyond the PG and had the worst injury luck any team can have. He's definitely a bit too unadaptable with his system and didn't handle the media or the Pau situation well, but he's a very good coach. Luke is currently average (at best) in regard to implementing his own vision and getting players to execute it.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:03 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Lucky_Shot wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
BadGuy wrote:
D'Antoni may have accomplished more thus far, but Luke is only in his first season. D'Antoni's best teams benefitted from having an allstar roster (e.g., Suns) and/or an MVP-caliber player. Luke is coaching a team of players that have very little NBA experience. I realize this is similar to the argument made about Phil, but the difference is D'Antoni hasn't won (bleep). I think it is highly probable that Luke will accomplish more than D'Antoni in his coaching career.


Nash was not a real MVP level player-- he just looked like one in D'Antoni's offense, which generally makes people look around a level better than they really are. (So a scrub like Kendall Marshall looks like a legitimate starter, a fringe starter like Jeremy Lin looks like an All-Star, and a mid-level All-Star like Nash looks like an MVP).

Amar'e was one of the most overrated players of this generation.


His system help players stats but to down play how good Steve Nash was is crazy.

The guy was a sharp shooter who could drop a dime on any defense. The guy was a top 3 offensive player in the NBA. In my mind he was the best player to never win a ring


To be fair too, Nash was never "Nash" without MDA. He was still good, but never quite the level of "Nash". Neither was Lin. And neither Harden.


But D'Antoni's system can only be given so much credit. Like any good offense, it put Nash at a greater position to succeed. You still have to have the skills to execute it. And he had already showcased his sharpshooting and elite vision prior to playing for D'Antoni. Nash-quarterbacked teams were ranked no. 1 in offense for nine years straight. That spans before and after D'Antoni. There's a reason he was still able to be an effective player and made an All-Star team at 39 without D'Antoni.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject:

This comparison is dumb and unfair.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:51 am    Post subject:

Another CandyCanes special.
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