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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:09 am Post subject:
Is this thread a joke?
MDA is one of our teams worst coaches! He was shockingly terrible at recognizing the talent he had on this team and adapting his philosophies to highlight those talents. He simply wanted a team that was incapable of playing his style... to just play his style! Horrible coach!
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D'Antoni may have accomplished more thus far, but Luke is only in his first season. D'Antoni's best teams benefitted from having an allstar roster (e.g., Suns) and/or an MVP-caliber player. Luke is coaching a team of players that have very little NBA experience. I realize this is similar to the argument made about Phil, but the difference is D'Antoni hasn't won (bleep). I think it is highly probable that Luke will accomplish more than D'Antoni in his coaching career.
Nash was not a real MVP level player-- he just looked like one in D'Antoni's offense, which generally makes people look around a level better than they really are. (So a scrub like Kendall Marshall looks like a legitimate starter, a fringe starter like Jeremy Lin looks like an All-Star, and a mid-level All-Star like Nash looks like an MVP).
Amar'e was one of the most overrated players of this generation.
I've never understood this argument (seems like it's always made by bitter Kobe fans over Nash's MVP's.) Let's penalize a player for playing in a system catering to his strengths.
hard to compare during a rebuild and a tank. Let's see how Luke does with a better roster. One thing though D'antoni has one system that does work if you get him players that fit, but he is not adaptable. That's something I think Luke can be better at over time. Pop is good in that he can adapt to his players.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:00 am Post subject:
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ringfinger wrote:
Bit of an unfair comparison. MDA is a seasoned coach. Luke is a rookie. Right now it's MDA and not even close.
At least with MDA, you know the formula for success. Get him an all star guard and some shooters and he will make it happen.
With Luke, we dont know what success under Luke looks like as a head coach, or if he can even have success at all. Time will tell.
that's not true, all he needs is steph curry, klay, draymond, and a great bench in order to see success
What would D'Antoni have looked like with GSW's roster? He pretty much invented the system they use. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
This makes no sense at all to even ask. You may as well ask who the better player is between Brandon Ingram and Andre Igoudala. We obviously didn't hire Luke with the expectation we'd immediately be a 50-win team while fielding a starting lineup with an average age too young to buy alcohol. You hire him hoping it's a ten-year plus investment. D'Antoni is 65 years old and probably won't be coaching at all in 10 years. It's a little ridiculous to say Harden wasn't Harden before D'Antoni, too. He came in second in MVP voting last year and has made back to back first-team all-NBA with Kevin McHale and Bernie Bickerstaff coaching him.
MDA had his share of awful teams....kinda dumb to make the comparison when he is at his high once again, while Luke is a rookie coach in his first full time gig. Don't forget the fans wanted to run MDA out of town in his Knicks and Lakers stints....
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:34 am Post subject:
loseyourname wrote:
This makes no sense at all to even ask. You may as well ask who the better player is between Brandon Ingram and Andre Igoudala. We obviously didn't hire Luke with the expectation we'd immediately be a 50-win team while fielding a starting lineup with an average age too young to buy alcohol. You hire him hoping it's a ten-year plus investment. D'Antoni is 65 years old and probably won't be coaching at all in 10 years. It's a little ridiculous to say Harden wasn't Harden before D'Antoni, too. He came in second in MVP voting last year and has made back to back first-team all-NBA with Kevin McHale and Bernie Bickerstaff coaching him.
He was 9th in MVP voting last season and didn't make an All NBA team.
Anyway, my concern with Luke is that his coaching acumen seems to be really low. The system, even though it's more pick and roll centric than GSW's, I'm on board with, but in terms of in-game adjustments, baseline/sideline out of bounds plays, and rotations it's looking a lot like we just traded one bad coach for another.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:39 am Post subject:
Give Luke Houston's roster and give D'Antoni the Lakers roster and watch the tanking get worse. Luke would be killing it with the Houston roster. _________________ Keep winning!
MDA is not even a real coach IMO. Rolling the ball out and telling everyone to shoot as fast as you can does not make you a legit coach. He'll be out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs yet again.
This makes no sense at all to even ask. You may as well ask who the better player is between Brandon Ingram and Andre Igoudala. We obviously didn't hire Luke with the expectation we'd immediately be a 50-win team while fielding a starting lineup with an average age too young to buy alcohol. You hire him hoping it's a ten-year plus investment. D'Antoni is 65 years old and probably won't be coaching at all in 10 years. It's a little ridiculous to say Harden wasn't Harden before D'Antoni, too. He came in second in MVP voting last year and has made back to back first-team all-NBA with Kevin McHale and Bernie Bickerstaff coaching him.
He was 9th in MVP voting last season and didn't make an All NBA team.
Anyway, my concern with Luke is that his coaching acumen seems to be really low. The system, even though it's more pick and roll centric than GSW's, I'm on board with, but in terms of in-game adjustments, baseline/sideline out of bounds plays, and rotations it's looking a lot like we just traded one bad coach for another.
Harden was second in MVP voting in 2015. Mixing up the years doesn't diminish the legitimacy of his point, which is that Harden was a great player long before D'Antoni.
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MDA is not even a real coach IMO. Rolling the ball out and telling everyone to shoot as fast as you can does not make you a legit coach. He'll be out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs yet again.
Apples and oranges but I went with Luke simply because he will be better at working with the ingredients he has once he gets more years under his belt. Dantoni is great when he has the right combination of players to run his system. If he doesn't he's screwed. Time will tell but I feel much better going forward with Luke.
MDA is one of our teams worst coaches! He was shockingly terrible at recognizing the talent he had on this team and adapting his philosophies to highlight those talents. He simply wanted a team that was incapable of playing his style... to just play his style! Horrible coach!
James Harden stats:
Career
22.1 PPG - 5.6 APG - 5.0 RPG
This year with coach MDA
29.4 PPG (+ 7.3) - 11.2 APG (more than double his previous avg.) - 8.1 RPG (+3.1)
hard to compare during a rebuild and a tank. Let's see how Luke does with a better roster. One thing though D'antoni has one system that does work if you get him players that fit, but he is not adaptable. That's something I think Luke can be better at over time. Pop is good in that he can adapt to his players.
I'm curious to know which coaches you think are adaptable.
I totally hated MDA's system for the team we had, he deserved to be gone for not having the wisdom to adjust. Run n Gun with a bunch of old farts? Jezz. However, with the right team, he does good and he's more seasoned than Luke is right now, this is not a good comparison.. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
I totally hated MDA's system for the team we had, he deserved to be gone for not having the wisdom to adjust. Run n Gun with a bunch of old farts? Jezz. However, with the right team, he does good and he's more seasoned than Luke is right now, this is not a good comparison..
Luke proved that he needs star talent, he had it in GS when he was coaching, maybe that is what we are gonna try to do.
Proved he can win with the best RS team in NBA history.
Anyone could do that.
Our team is full of rookies and/or guy s that can't produce. I doubt the majority of the current NBA coachs out there could do a better job
that's Luke. They would probably rag the players more but I doubt we get more W's.
I think fans want Luke to work a miracle when the truth is that's not happening. We all talked, at the beginning of the season, about patience, which means a few years. Now everyone wants to be in the PO's, that's not the way a rebuild works... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
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