MDA is only a good coach when he has "his" type of players. He is very inflexible in his approach. When the Lakers hired him, he was the WRONG coach for that team. Case in point was Pau shooting 3s. Fast forward and the team he coached was perfect for him, so the Lakers of course brought in Byron Scott.
The greatest coaches can work with different types of players. Good coaches can only work with their players. MDA was a success in Phoenix, Houston and briefly in NY (with Lin) but failed in the other time in NY and LA (wrong players).
D'Antoni was ousted unfairly by the LA media and fans
I agree.
Dwight, Kobe, Pau & Nash @ that age and slow speed needed to be a half court offense not a run n gun. Unfairly? I'd bump him again under the same circumstances... an experienced coach like him should have played to the player strengths, not his own.. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
MDA is only a good coach when he has "his" type of players. He is very inflexible in his approach. When the Lakers hired him, he was the WRONG coach for that team. Case in point was Pau shooting 3s. Fast forward and the team he coached was perfect for him, so the Lakers of course brought in Byron Scott.
The greatest coaches can work with different types of players. Good coaches can only work with their players. MDA was a success in Phoenix, Houston and briefly in NY (with Lin) but failed in the other time in NY and LA (wrong players).
Too early to judge Luke.
How is that different from any other coach out there?
Each coach has their devotion to a certain system. Certain coaches are more flexible than others. Hell, Phil is still trying to run the triangle and he's not even coaching anymore....
The Lakers big mistake was hiring MDA for the type of players they had....that is on the front office.
Heck, we saw how the disastrous the Kings were last season because DMC wasn't in George Karl's vision of his "system".
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:08 am Post subject:
Mike D'Antoni was not nearly as bad as he was made out to be. He had to deal with the Dwight Howard drama, the Nash injuries, and the lack of overall talent that ensued after the Kobe-Nash-Howard experiment failed.
The big difference between Luke and D'Antoni is how they handle the media. D'Antoni had no problems throwing players under the bus at press conferences and that rubbed players the wrong way. I think our players now legitimately enjoy playing for Luke and they know he will fight for them. Luke isn't perfect and has room to grow, but he has plenty of time to do that. _________________ ...in my opinion.
All coaches need material, simple as that. Think Luke or D'Antoni would struggle to get wins if they had Magic and Kareem? _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
I think Luke is an overall better coach in other areas besides offense. Any coach with superstar players can look great. MDA looked great with Nash, and now Harden, give Luke, Curry and Thompson and I'm sure he will win nightly. MDA's weaknesses will show against the top teams that can play defense where he does absolutely no teaching. If the Rockets cannot outscore the other team they're dead. We will see that in the playoffs.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject:
LakerFan87 wrote:
Mike D'Antoni was not nearly as bad as he was made out to be. He had to deal with the Dwight Howard drama, the Nash injuries, and the lack of overall talent that ensued after the Kobe-Nash-Howard experiment failed.
The big difference between Luke and D'Antoni is how they handle the media. D'Antoni had no problems throwing players under the bus at press conferences and that rubbed players the wrong way. I think our players now legitimately enjoy playing for Luke and they know he will fight for them. Luke isn't perfect and has room to grow, but he has plenty of time to do that.
The players here were the ones attacking him in the media actually. He didn't take it lying down and defended his decisions with stats, which I guess means "throwing players under the bus".
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'Antoni took over a playoff-ready team. 41-41 a year ago might not impress too many, but they did reach the WCF two years ago. Don't want to take anything away from him, he's done a fine job in Houston. But Luke's situation is very different. I think Luke would be doing a good job in Houston also, reach mid-40 win level.
Mike 'A wouldn't be doing much better with this Lakers team, either. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:25 pm Post subject:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
'Antoni took over a playoff-ready team. 41-41 a year ago might not impress too many, but they did reach the WCF two years ago. Don't want to take anything away from him, he's done a fine job in Houston. But Luke's situation is very different. I think Luke would be doing a good job in Houston also, reach mid-40 win level.
Mike 'A wouldn't be doing much better with this Lakers team, either.
Oh he would. He won 27 games with essentially Jodie Meeks as his best player.
'Antoni took over a playoff-ready team. 41-41 a year ago might not impress too many, but they did reach the WCF two years ago. Don't want to take anything away from him, he's done a fine job in Houston. But Luke's situation is very different. I think Luke would be doing a good job in Houston also, reach mid-40 win level.
Mike 'A wouldn't be doing much better with this Lakers team, either.
Oh he would. He won 27 games with essentially Jodie Meeks as his best player.
He does have a huge experience edge over Luke. But how quickly people forget how pitiful those Knicks years were for 'A? _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:33 pm Post subject:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
'Antoni took over a playoff-ready team. 41-41 a year ago might not impress too many, but they did reach the WCF two years ago. Don't want to take anything away from him, he's done a fine job in Houston. But Luke's situation is very different. I think Luke would be doing a good job in Houston also, reach mid-40 win level.
Mike 'A wouldn't be doing much better with this Lakers team, either.
Oh he would. He won 27 games with essentially Jodie Meeks as his best player.
He does have a huge experience edge over Luke. But how quickly people forget how pitiful those Knicks years were for 'A?
Like the juggernaut team they are now? No coach should be criticized for failing to win with Melo.
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'Antoni took over a playoff-ready team. 41-41 a year ago might not impress too many, but they did reach the WCF two years ago. Don't want to take anything away from him, he's done a fine job in Houston. But Luke's situation is very different. I think Luke would be doing a good job in Houston also, reach mid-40 win level.
Mike 'A wouldn't be doing much better with this Lakers team, either.
Oh he would. He won 27 games with essentially Jodie Meeks as his best player.
He does have a huge experience edge over Luke. But how quickly people forget how pitiful those Knicks years were for 'A?
Like the juggernaut team there are now? No coach should be criticized for failing to win with Melo.
That's certainly true. Our FO had the sense to stay away from Melo, and that's a blessing. Certain rosters and individuals are doomed, regardless of coach. Unfortunately, I do think the '17 Lakers are in that bunch. 'A might have gotten us to 30 wins due to his experience. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
'Antoni took over a playoff-ready team. 41-41 a year ago might not impress too many, but they did reach the WCF two years ago. Don't want to take anything away from him, he's done a fine job in Houston. But Luke's situation is very different. I think Luke would be doing a good job in Houston also, reach mid-40 win level.
Mike 'A wouldn't be doing much better with this Lakers team, either.
Oh he would. He won 27 games with essentially Jodie Meeks as his best player.
He does have a huge experience edge over Luke. But how quickly people forget how pitiful those Knicks years were for 'A?
You mean like how Amar'e freaking Stoudemire was seen as an MVP candidate in his first year with the team? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:35 pm Post subject:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
I can't believe the results are this close. This is crazy talk
Then again I can totally believe it
Politics. A lot of people just irrationally hate MDA. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
This is like asking who is the better player Marc Gasol or Joel Embiid? You can't answer it Luke Walton is the better coach. You can only say I think Luke will end up being a better coach.
D'Antoni was ousted unfairly by the LA media and fans
no he wasn't stop spreading this myth
It's no myth. Some fans just have zero self-awareness.
He had Kobe, Dwight, and Pau for most of the season and couldn't figure out how to make it work. Instead he ran Kobe into the ground and shortened his career by a couple seasons. He was not unfairly ousted.
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