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TooMuchMajicBuss
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| WeDidItReddit wrote: | | Numbers without context are just numbers. Events in the past don't affect numbers in the future in this case. If the lottery was played over and over again the law of averages would mean that in the end the percentages would average out to the true population proportion, aka P. |
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AC Green's V-Card
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| tox wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | tox wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: |
It isn't math, it is chance. Math is finite, a+b always equals c. Math would dictate that the 3rd worst record would get the 3rd pick. Chance tells us differently. People really don't understand math around here. |
Statistics is math. Period.
Logically and mathematically losing was better. You have philosophical and emotional reasons for prefering to win. Thats fine. But, there is no arguing against math or claiming that math is not math. |
Technically it's probability, not statistics  |
Just looked it up. Statistics is described as a branch of mathematics. I believe in most colleges its also under mathematics lol |
Umm yeah. But talking about our chances of keeping the pick isn't statistics; it's probability. They're not the same. I was just being pedantic. |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
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Daphanabe
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't believe someone can say with a straight face that statistics (and probability theory that is one of its underlying foundations) is not math. The lengths people will go to defend their argument. |
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | I can't believe someone can say with a straight face that statistics (and probability theory that is one of its underlying foundations) is not math. The lengths people will go to defend their argument. |
Eh, people can actually be wrong without being dishonest. And yes, probability is definitely math.
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Omar Little
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | tox wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | tox wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: |
It isn't math, it is chance. Math is finite, a+b always equals c. Math would dictate that the 3rd worst record would get the 3rd pick. Chance tells us differently. People really don't understand math around here. |
Statistics is math. Period.
Logically and mathematically losing was better. You have philosophical and emotional reasons for prefering to win. Thats fine. But, there is no arguing against math or claiming that math is not math. |
Technically it's probability, not statistics |
Just looked it up. Statistics is described as a branch of mathematics. I believe in most colleges its also under mathematics lol |
Umm yeah. But talking about our chances of keeping the pick isn't statistics; it's probability. They're not the same. I was just being pedantic. |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
Perfectly stated.
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Daphanabe
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | I can't believe someone can say with a straight face that statistics (and probability theory that is one of its underlying foundations) is not math. The lengths people will go to defend their argument. |
Eh, people can actually be wrong without being dishonest. And yes, probability is definitely math. |
Fair enough. |
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laker4life
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Congrats to the Suns for increasing chances to get a low pick for this year draft.
Lakers are either going to get lucky and jump phoenix.
On the other hand, lakers are simply going to suffer again next year. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| laker4life wrote: | Congrats to the Suns for increasing chances to get a low pick for this year draft.
Lakers are either going to get lucky and jump phoenix.
On the other hand, lakers are simply going to suffer again next year. |
The Lakers don't need to jump Phoenix. They merely need to be one of three teams to have one of their combinations drawn.
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tox
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | tox wrote: |
Umm yeah. But talking about our chances of keeping the pick isn't statistics; it's probability. They're not the same. I was just being pedantic. |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
We're totally splitting hairs here, but that's not true at all. Sure, that's what I was taught in AP Stats certainly. But probability theory is definitely not a subset of statistics. Rather, statistics makes use of probability theory, especially when it comes to inferencing. But there's no way that, for example, queueing theory has anything to do with statistics.
I actually think this is a pretty key failing of intro level classes. They don't drill you on what a statistic is (a measure of some attribute of data), and it wasn't until I took upper division math courses (and grad-level non-math courses) that this distinction was clearly defined.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
Perfectly stated. |
...except it's wrong.
(Normally I wouldn't derail a thread with this pedantry, but in the case of this particular one, I don't feel so bad.) |
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Das
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I'm no mathemagician but is Tomato a Fruit or Vegetable?
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BennyLava
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Das wrote: | | I'm no mathemagician but is Tomato a Fruit or Vegetable? |
^ asking the important questions. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Das wrote: | | I'm no mathemagician but is Tomato a Fruit or Vegetable? |
It is a mixer, ala Bloody Mary (already in camping mode).
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laker4life
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | laker4life wrote: | Congrats to the Suns for increasing chances to get a low pick for this year draft.
Lakers are either going to get lucky and jump phoenix.
On the other hand, lakers are simply going to suffer again next year. |
The Lakers don't need to jump Phoenix. They merely need to be one of three teams to have one of their combinations drawn. |
You're right.
Bottom line is that if the Lakers lose its pick and the Suns get in the top 3, fans will not be happy. |
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I have very little faith we keep the pick (I think we lose it in a laughable fashion).
Something about this management screams bad karma to where I feel the basketball gods won't be as forgiving like the last 2 seasons in the lottery. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | I have very little faith we keep the pick (I think we lose it in a laughable fashion).
Something about this management screams bad karma to where I feel the basketball gods won't be as forgiving like the last 2 seasons in the lottery. |
Something about the past management that screams hose job. |
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If Fultz is the number one pick, that means the University of Washington will have had the #1 pick in the NBA and WNBA in the same season.
I was just up there over the weekend and on campus for the first time in my life at U Dub. If you have never been there, I would encourage you to visit, what a beautiful campus. Cherry Trees in full bloom over the weekend, would be a great place to go to school.
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| Das wrote: | | I'm no mathemagician but is Tomato a Fruit or Vegetable? |
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| tox wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | tox wrote: |
Umm yeah. But talking about our chances of keeping the pick isn't statistics; it's probability. They're not the same. I was just being pedantic. |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
We're totally splitting hairs here, but that's not true at all. Sure, that's what I was taught in AP Stats certainly. But probability theory is definitely not a subset of statistics. Rather, statistics makes use of probability theory, especially when it comes to inferencing. But there's no way that, for example, queueing theory has anything to do with statistics.
I actually think this is a pretty key failing of intro level classes. They don't drill you on what a statistic is (a measure of some attribute of data), and it wasn't until I took upper division math courses (and grad-level non-math courses) that this distinction was clearly defined. |
Lies, damn lies, and probabilities. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | tox wrote: |
Umm yeah. But talking about our chances of keeping the pick isn't statistics; it's probability. They're not the same. I was just being pedantic. |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
We're totally splitting hairs here, but that's not true at all. Sure, that's what I was taught in AP Stats certainly. But probability theory is definitely not a subset of statistics. |
We're getting off track and definitely splitting hairs. |
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | tox wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | tox wrote: |
Umm yeah. But talking about our chances of keeping the pick isn't statistics; it's probability. They're not the same. I was just being pedantic. |
Probability falls under the umbrella of statistics. It's one of the very first lessons taught in most stats classes. Not all statistics are probability but all probabilities are statistics. |
We're totally splitting hairs here, but that's not true at all. Sure, that's what I was taught in AP Stats certainly. But probability theory is definitely not a subset of statistics. |
We're getting off track and definitely splitting hairs. |
This thread is trash though, so there's no harm in that  |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | If Fultz is the number one pick, that means the University of Washington will have had the #1 pick in the NBA and WNBA in the same season.
I was just up there over the weekend and on campus for the first time in my life at U Dub. If you have never been there, I would encourage you to visit, what a beautiful campus. Cherry Trees in full bloom over the weekend, would be a great place to go to school. |
Yeah I spent some time in Seattle (downtown) as well as at UW... and it's damn gorgeous.
Went to U of A so while also a beautiful campus, it's the total opposite. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | I have very little faith we keep the pick (I think we lose it in a laughable fashion).
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So what does that look like exactly ? How will the "laughable fashion" part happen ?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | I have very little faith we keep the pick (I think we lose it in a laughable fashion).
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So what does that look like exactly ? How will it happen ? |
I think that depends on who we send to the lottery show. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mirak wrote: | | Das wrote: | | I'm no mathemagician but is Tomato a Fruit or Vegetable? |
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I'm Italian and we say it's a damn vegetable and that's that.  |
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