I think it would have been better for Magic to say "We don't want anybody higher than 9-19% body fat.
That would have been a lot more realistic and better for the players. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:06 pm Post subject:
Daphanabe wrote:
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Sure, forget that the target might lead to detrimental activities, as long as it is concrete. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject:
tkLAKERS wrote:
Deathstroke wrote:
PartyMan wrote:
I do not understand all the complaining about this. What is possibly wrong with being in the best shape possible? Just like Pelinka was saying about getting these guys with somebody to get their sleep habits and diets at their optimal best, and having great leaders from other professions come speak to the team. Things like this are obviously second to working on their games, but can improve their play.
Agreed. Magic's 7-8% number isn't realistic but tbh most people don't actually know their accurate BF % and what it takes to get to that level. It wasn't a literal cut off number but rather him trying to tell the team that they will need to get into better physical shape and conditioning which has obviously been lacking the past few seasons. Optimal Diet, sleep habits, weight training, and cardio training will vastly improve everyone on our teams game.
But how dare Magic tell the team that they need to be in better physical condition?
Magic is now, in essence, the president of basketball operations for the Lakers. What he says carries weight and has consequences compared to when he was just a commentator. You may feel his body fat limit comment is no big deal, but it may affect our players' morale as well as free agents' decisions on whether or not they should consider the Lakers.
Maybe the 7-8% is unreleastic, but I take it in a broader sense of being in the best shape you can be.The players themselves know they need to work on their bodies, they said it in the exit interviews. He wants the best and is challenging the players to put in the work to be the best. These are pro athletes, grown men he is talking to, obviously not people on this board. They're not gonna get all sensitive about it, but any who do, they should be gone. _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
DOWN THE HOLA BITC*OLA!!!
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Sure, forget that the target might lead to detrimental activities, as long as it is concrete.
As I mentioned in my post -- I think people are getting stuck at the specific number, rather than what that symbolizes. Just to understand your point -- are you against the Lakers targeting to have elite level athletes?
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:29 pm Post subject:
Daphanabe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Sure, forget that the target might lead to detrimental activities, as long as it is concrete.
As I mentioned in my post -- I think people are getting stuck at the specific number, rather than what that symbolizes. Just to understand your point -- are you against the Lakers targeting to have elite level athletes?
So it is good that it is concrete but because it is really only symbolic? Pick one.
To answer your question, I think it is pretty stupid, because it is an arbitrary number based on probably nothing, and possibly counterproductive to the actual goal of basketball fitness and ability. But it does make that great, "magic is telling them what's what" narrative that is so transparent. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:30 pm Post subject:
Oh, if you want excellence, how about say yes to Jerry west? _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Oh, if you want excellence, how about say yes to Jerry west?
Commitment to Excellence!
But not commitment to "having too many people smarter than me in the front office." I guess. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Oh, if you want excellence, how about say yes to Jerry west?
weren't you against jerry west few months ago?
also since when did Mark Hiesler became legit? this is the same guy who swore MDA is not coming back or something like that and the exact opposite happened.
nobody in the national media is picking this between
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject:
Chase.button07 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Oh, if you want excellence, how about say yes to Jerry west?
weren't you against jerry west few months ago?
also since when did Mark Hiesler became legit? this is the same guy who swore MDA is not coming back or something like that and the exact opposite happened.
nobody in the national media is picking this between
Uh, no. And heisler didn't break this... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Oh, if you want excellence, how about say yes to Jerry west?
weren't you against jerry west few months ago?
also since when did Mark Hiesler became legit? this is the same guy who swore MDA is not coming back or something like that and the exact opposite happened.
nobody in the national media is picking this between
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Yes, some folks here take words to literally missing the message. Those guys make a lot of money and should be in top form.
It is probably consequence of the favorite player with a body fat above the line Magic is setting.
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Sure, forget that the target might lead to detrimental activities, as long as it is concrete.
As I mentioned in my post -- I think people are getting stuck at the specific number, rather than what that symbolizes. Just to understand your point -- are you against the Lakers targeting to have elite level athletes?
So it is good that it is concrete but because it is really only symbolic? Pick one.
To answer your question, I think it is pretty stupid, because it is an arbitrary number based on probably nothing, and possibly counterproductive to the actual goal of basketball fitness and ability. But it does make that great, "magic is telling them what's what" narrative that is so transparent.
No need to pick one. Let me illustrate using something that different leaders in a company could say:
1. "We need to provide our customers with highly reliable systems" - weak as it's one of those generic statements.
2. "We will provide our customers with world class reliability" - bit better, but what does that really mean.
3. "Our customers can expect that we provide them 99.99+% system reliability". Something operations could definitely rally around. Doesn't mean every system has to hit that, but the bar has been set on what is expected.
I would say the leader of number three has the best chance of success based on how he's communicated his message. I'm sure you disagree as you have an in-built bias against Magic. And that's okay as I'm up front that I come in with an in-built bias to be positive about him and the change he's bringing in
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:08 pm Post subject:
Daphanabe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Sure, forget that the target might lead to detrimental activities, as long as it is concrete.
As I mentioned in my post -- I think people are getting stuck at the specific number, rather than what that symbolizes. Just to understand your point -- are you against the Lakers targeting to have elite level athletes?
So it is good that it is concrete but because it is really only symbolic? Pick one.
To answer your question, I think it is pretty stupid, because it is an arbitrary number based on probably nothing, and possibly counterproductive to the actual goal of basketball fitness and ability. But it does make that great, "magic is telling them what's what" narrative that is so transparent.
No need to pick one. Let me illustrate using something that different leaders in a company could say:
1. "We need to provide our customers with highly reliable systems" - weak as it's one of those generic statements.
2. "We will provide our customers with world class reliability" - bit better, but what does that really mean.
3. "Our customers can expect that we provide them 99.99+% system reliability". Something operations could definitely rally around. Doesn't mean every system has to hit that, but the bar has been set on what is expected.
I would say the leader of number three has the best chance of success based on how he's communicated his message. I'm sure you disagree as you have an in-built bias against Magic. And that's okay as I'm up front that I come in with an in-built bias to be positive about him and the change he's bringing in
That's not analogous to a fairly arbitrary and potentially unhelpful body fat percentage that all players need to achieve. Unless you're saying that a teams product is body fat levels (as reliable systems would be your analogy company's product). _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
I like what Magic is trying to put into place. Players are paid millions and it's not an unfair ask of them to be in the best shape possible. I like that he actually was specific (talking body fat and the like) -- it makes things real, rather than a generic platitude type statement. By putting in something measurable, it helps concretize it and puts things into focus. Whether that exact number is the correct one, I don't think that was the point. It was more to set down a target that only elite levels will be accepted, and highlights the amount of work and corresponding mindset needed to achieve that.
Sure, forget that the target might lead to detrimental activities, as long as it is concrete.
As I mentioned in my post -- I think people are getting stuck at the specific number, rather than what that symbolizes. Just to understand your point -- are you against the Lakers targeting to have elite level athletes?
So it is good that it is concrete but because it is really only symbolic? Pick one.
To answer your question, I think it is pretty stupid, because it is an arbitrary number based on probably nothing, and possibly counterproductive to the actual goal of basketball fitness and ability. But it does make that great, "magic is telling them what's what" narrative that is so transparent.
No need to pick one. Let me illustrate using something that different leaders in a company could say:
1. "We need to provide our customers with highly reliable systems" - weak as it's one of those generic statements.
2. "We will provide our customers with world class reliability" - bit better, but what does that really mean.
3. "Our customers can expect that we provide them 99.99+% system reliability". Something operations could definitely rally around. Doesn't mean every system has to hit that, but the bar has been set on what is expected.
I would say the leader of number three has the best chance of success based on how he's communicated his message. I'm sure you disagree as you have an in-built bias against Magic. And that's okay as I'm up front that I come in with an in-built bias to be positive about him and the change he's bringing in
That's not analogous to a fairly arbitrary and potentially unhelpful body fat percentage that all players need to achieve. Unless you're saying that a teams product is body fat levels (as reliable systems would be your analogy company's product).
Actually they are analogous -- reliability in my example is not a product but rather shall we say a feature (e.g. Uber's product is the ride share, reliability is just a part of that overall service). For this discussion, 'athletic level' is a corresponding 'feature' of a larger product of the basketball team.
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