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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | That is the point, there is no logical reason to dismiss West. Only emotional reasons. |
Exactly. It's only a consultant role. If he says something you disagree with you make the final decision lol. He literally cannot hurt anything but someone's ego. One of the best basketball minds ever as a resource with very little cost and they say no smh  |
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| Steve007 wrote: | I'd want West back but it's interesting that West is more popular with Laker fans when he is no longer with the team.
I'd love to read the posts here after West botched the last several drafts with the team, refused to trade Eddie Jones for Mitch Richmond in 98 which possibly cost the team a title, and then ruined the 99 season by trading Jones and Campbell for JR Reid and Glen Rice when the team was playing great basketball.
He didn't get Kobe and Shaq much help either which they could have used in 2003. |
Valid points except the last one. West left in 2000. He did, however, roll the dice on Kobe and it was basically sheer force of West's personality that sealed the deal with Shaq.
If the guy wants to consult, let him sell his piece of the Dubs, turn down the extension, retire and then he can drop by the Laker offices as much as he wants. He can visit with Ryan, stick his head in Pelinka's office, etc. I doubt anyone would stop him. If his advice is sound, they'll listen.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Math wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Math wrote: | | This surprises me a bit considering Magic worked with Andrew Friedman who is all about building the brain trust. |
Tbh this smells like Jeanie being petty over the Phil thing. This is just my opinion though. |
If it's true. Could also be shade thrown at the new regime.  |
This.
And why West would want to leave the Warriors - WHERE HE IS PART OWNER - in the middle of a title run and when they apparently want him back (talking about an extension) makes no sense. |
Sometimes youbwant to go home. |
There was an article a few months back that clarified that West owns stock option for the Warriors, not an actual piece of the team. Would be surprised if those came with any meaningful 'ownership' rights (could be a non-voting class). Probably just a way to provide compensation against financial performance of the business which is probably built into some kind of FMV calculation. If West leaves no doubt he just buys the options and sells them back to ownership for a nice payday. In some ways, now might be a sell high opportunity.
As for his interest in LA, I've become skeptical we really know the story. At first I thought it might be reluctance from Magic who doesn't want to let someone in who could steal his thunder or undermine his position. But if he ends up being seen as the guy who supplanted Jim, brought in Pelinka's and brought back West, isn't he immediately bulletproof? He still gets to decide whatever he wants and has cover on the downside. There is PLENTY of credit to go around if the Lakers start winning.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| 22 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | That is the point, there is no logical reason to dismiss West. Only emotional reasons. |
Exactly. It's only a consultant role. If he says something you disagree with you make the final decision lol. He literally cannot hurt anything but someone's ego. One of the best basketball minds ever as a resource with very little cost and they say no smh |
96 may be the best year an exec ever had. Shaq, Kobe, Fisher.
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| Steve007 wrote: | I'd want West back but it's interesting that West is more popular with Laker fans when he is no longer with the team.
I'd love to read the posts here after West botched the last several drafts with the team, refused to trade Eddie Jones for Mitch Richmond in 98 which possibly cost the team a title, and then ruined the 99 season by trading Jones and Campbell for JR Reid and Glen Rice when the team was playing great basketball.
He didn't get Kobe and Shaq much help either which they could have used in 2003. |
I remember that season Shaq was openly calling out FO to "get me a gritty PF!" "If you get me a shooter I get you the ring! " any and every time he had a chance. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | I would think it's a nobrainer to add a guy with his eye and esteem to our FO, but I think Magic wants to be the only voice between Jeanie and Pelinka and doesn't want West debating him on anything. He might be do something smart like tell Magic not to trade Ingram for Kevin Love. |
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For Jeannie and Magic.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | That is the point, there is no logical reason to dismiss West. Only emotional reasons. |
Exactly. It's only a consultant role. If he says something you disagree with you make the final decision lol. He literally cannot hurt anything but someone's ego. One of the best basketball minds ever as a resource with very little cost and they say no smh |
96 may be the best year an exec ever had. Shaq, Kobe, Fisher. |
vs 2011 LeBron, Bosh, Dwade |
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| governator wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | That is the point, there is no logical reason to dismiss West. Only emotional reasons. |
Exactly. It's only a consultant role. If he says something you disagree with you make the final decision lol. He literally cannot hurt anything but someone's ego. One of the best basketball minds ever as a resource with very little cost and they say no smh |
96 may be the best year an exec ever had. Shaq, Kobe, Fisher. |
vs 2011 LeBron, Bosh, Dwade |
Is 3 < 2?
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| JJin77 wrote: | | Steve007 wrote: | I'd want West back but it's interesting that West is more popular with Laker fans when he is no longer with the team.
I'd love to read the posts here after West botched the last several drafts with the team, refused to trade Eddie Jones for Mitch Richmond in 98 which possibly cost the team a title, and then ruined the 99 season by trading Jones and Campbell for JR Reid and Glen Rice when the team was playing great basketball.
He didn't get Kobe and Shaq much help either which they could have used in 2003. |
I remember that season Shaq was openly calling out FO to "get me a gritty PF!" "If you get me a shooter I get you the ring! " any and every time he had a chance. |
It's been totally forgotten, but most of the fanbase (I cop to this as well) couldn't stand Robert Horry before the rings started coming. Local talk radio must have had an hourly "how do we get PJ Brown" question. Of course, the eventual solution was just Shaq playing defense.
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| The Lakers would be fools to pass on Jerry West in a consultant role. Magic is a great people person who would likely do a fabulous job in recruiting players but is nowhere near Jerry West as an evaluator of talent. Jerry also gives the organisation even more credibility which will draw free agents. |
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Magic recruiting players to the Lakers hasn't been successful to this point. We need to be a team worth coming to, and if we are in that position, FAs will come. When we were good Mitch has no issues bringing in FAs to help.
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If West wanted to return to the Lakers in any sort of capacity he should be brought back no matter what.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Magic recruiting players to the Lakers hasn't been successful to this point. We need to be a team worth coming to, and if we are in that position, FAs will come. When we were good Mitch has no issues bringing in FAs to help. |
are we really judging magic yet? How do you know how the other basketball players perceive us now.....can we give him as much time as we gave mitch and jim? |
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| clutchkobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Magic recruiting players to the Lakers hasn't been successful to this point. We need to be a team worth coming to, and if we are in that position, FAs will come. When we were good Mitch has no issues bringing in FAs to help. |
are we really judging magic yet? How do you know how the other basketball players perceive us now.....can we give him as much time as we gave mitch and jim? |
Yes, if someone thinks that Magic will be able to recruit a FA here then there is nothing wrong with showing the past situations where that did not happen. And it isn't judging Magic, it is judging our team. We aren't good enough for any top FA to consider. But there is factual evidence that the "Magic will attract FAs" concept hasn't succeeded in the past.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | clutchkobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Magic recruiting players to the Lakers hasn't been successful to this point. We need to be a team worth coming to, and if we are in that position, FAs will come. When we were good Mitch has no issues bringing in FAs to help. |
are we really judging magic yet? How do you know how the other basketball players perceive us now.....can we give him as much time as we gave mitch and jim? |
Yes, if someone thinks that Magic will be able to recruit a FA here then there is nothing wrong with showing the past situations where that did not happen. And it isn't judging Magic, it is judging our team. We aren't good enough for any top FA to consider. But there is factual evidence that the "Magic will attract FAs" concept hasn't succeeded in the past. |
He's been on the job 2 months. FAs are not even available until July.
Hate Magic all you want, but the man has been successful at almost every endeavor in his adult life. This is the first time in over 20 years that the Lakers have had the synergy of cap-space, young pieces & a unified front office. If Magic can't make it happen, we will see it in the next 18 months. But at this tick of the watch, we shouldn't judge Magic until he's at least had a chance to have a cup coffee.
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Report: Jerry West considered advisory role with Lakers before Magic Johnson hiring
Former Lakers star is now an executive for Golden State
by Chris Barnewall
@ChrisBarnewall 1h ago • 1 min read
A few months ago, a source close to West indicated he might be intrigued if the Lakers were interested in bringing him on in an advisory role.
But with the advent of Magic Johnson's takeover and the hiring of new GM Rob Pelinka, that does not seem to be a possibility and I don't think West would be interested any more even if it was.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jerry-west-considered-advisory-role-with-lakers-before-magic-johnson-hiring/ |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | Report: Jerry West considered advisory role with Lakers before Magic Johnson hiring
Former Lakers star is now an executive for Golden State
by Chris Barnewall
@ChrisBarnewall 1h ago • 1 min read
A few months ago, a source close to West indicated he might be intrigued if the Lakers were interested in bringing him on in an advisory role.
But with the advent of Magic Johnson's takeover and the hiring of new GM Rob Pelinka, that does not seem to be a possibility and I don't think West would be interested any more even if it was.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jerry-west-considered-advisory-role-with-lakers-before-magic-johnson-hiring/ |
This makes the most sense!! West was interested in coming here before the Lakers fired Mitch. West was probably unhappy we fired him the way we did and lost any interest in coming here after that. This makes much more sense than Magic turning Jerry away now. |
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I wonder if West's potential interest in joining a Mitch and Jim FO led to some of the haste in making the move the week of the trade deadline. Word of that breaking before moving them out would have been a problem for Jeanie.
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