Kobe is the GOAT if you appreciate beautiful basketball skills. He's also faced and defeated the most 50+ win teams in playoff history. The man had the strongest strength of schedule of any all time great and still manged to win 5 rings. Not mention 3 years of his peak were wasted with a GARBAGE roster consisting of Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, Brian Cook, Kwame Brown, etc.
yup. add Jim Jackson, Aaron Mckie, Vlade Divac - all signed to practically just sit on the bench to live out their last days in the NBA.
the fact that Kobe managed to win with Mitch's "talent acquisition skills" gets him GOAT status by default... _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it."
Dyson has no credibility in regards to sports.....his opinions are about as valuable as our in regards to the NBA.
So you have no credibility in regards to the NBA.
that is what I said....just a fans opinion full of bias
As opposed to the opinion of whom?
Let's just be honest and say we don't actually care about the source validating the message and that we're actually using the message to validate the source.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:09 am Post subject:
KBH wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Dyson has no credibility in regards to sports.....his opinions are about as valuable as our in regards to the NBA.
Dyson has no credibility with regard to anything.
Yeah, they let anyone become sociology professors at Georgetown.
He is a Democratic establishment shill with little to no actual scholarly ability or talent. I happen to be quite familiar with his work. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:58 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
kobeandgary wrote:
adkindo wrote:
focus wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Dyson has no credibility in regards to sports.....his opinions are about as valuable as our in regards to the NBA.
So you have no credibility in regards to the NBA.
that is what I said....just a fans opinion full of bias
As opposed to the opinion of whom?
Let's just be honest and say we don't actually care about the source validating the message and that we're actually using the message to validate the source.
If somebody follows basketball like really follows it in detail, then why would his opinion count less? I don't know the guy but just because he isn't a so called "expert" whatever that would actually entail when it comes to judging basketball talent, doesn't make his opinion less thought out or less credible. We all watched the same games and have different opinions on these things. I personally believe Kobe is the greatest basketball player of all time. I sit and watch Jordan games all the time and it just always looks like i'm watching a lesser version of Kobe. Jordan at the peak of his powers just doesn't quite touch Kobe at his peak.
Dyson has no credibility in regards to sports.....his opinions are about as valuable as our in regards to the NBA.
So you have no credibility in regards to the NBA.
that is what I said....just a fans opinion full of bias
As opposed to the opinion of whom?
Let's just be honest and say we don't actually care about the source validating the message and that we're actually using the message to validate the source.
If somebody follows basketball like really follows it in detail, then why would his opinion count less? I don't know the guy but just because he isn't a so called "expert" whatever that would actually entail when it comes to judging basketball talent, doesn't make his opinion less thought out or less credible. We all watched the same games and have different opinions on these things. I personally believe Kobe is the greatest basketball player of all time. I sit and watch Jordan games all the time and it just always looks like i'm watching a lesser version of Kobe. Jordan at the peak of his powers just doesn't quite touch Kobe at his peak.
I appreciate how sincere Doc. Dyson is; I just believe he's sincerely wrong. Jellybean Bryant's boy was one of the greatest...ever. But, for me, watching the NBA for years, I'd take Jordan over everyone other than Kareem.
Kobe never played for efficiency, as evidenced by him always taking the last quarter shots. Certain players are like that. He played his own way. Arguably the most skilled player ever. He also dealt with much more adversity on and off the court than Jordan tbh (changing roles, coaches, systems, etc).
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:57 am Post subject:
I will wait until I hear what Jane Goodall and Neil deGrasse Tyson have to say on the matter. _________________ Courage doesn't always roar.
Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying...'I will try again tomorrow.'
Dyson has no credibility in regards to sports.....his opinions are about as valuable as our in regards to the NBA.
So you have no credibility in regards to the NBA.
that is what I said....just a fans opinion full of bias
As opposed to the opinion of whom?
Let's just be honest and say we don't actually care about the source validating the message and that we're actually using the message to validate the source.
If somebody follows basketball like really follows it in detail, then why would his opinion count less? I don't know the guy but just because he isn't a so called "expert" whatever that would actually entail when it comes to judging basketball talent, doesn't make his opinion less thought out or less credible. We all watched the same games and have different opinions on these things. I personally believe Kobe is the greatest basketball player of all time. I sit and watch Jordan games all the time and it just always looks like i'm watching a lesser version of Kobe. Jordan at the peak of his powers just doesn't quite touch Kobe at his peak.
this is true. but thats because he didnt have to touch kobe's peak. he had lesser comp at his position. thats a fact. not his fault.
jordan and bron truthfully have the mike tyson affect. Sure they are killing their comp and part of that is because they are so great. but a lot of that is because their comp isnt nearly as good as Ali's or as good as Kobe's.
kobe by far had the hardest comp to deal with at SG/SF for his size athletic ability. Kobe by far had the hardest defenses to deal with since he had to deal with semi handchecking AND zones early on in his career. we know even though the handchecking rule changed while kobe played. they never changed it for Kobe himself. meaning. he still had to deal with 1998's armbarring that technically isnt legal in today's game + the zone. So when you get by your armbarring perimeter guy like tony allen. then you face marc gasol, zbo, and some other guy setting up a wall. some guy running underneath you trying to take a quick bs charge(thats legal nowadays, that was a block in jordan's day or a no call at worse, which benefits the offensive player.)
lets take a look at two games.
Kobe's 3pt record game vs seattle. look at how many of his 3's are with a real hand in his face and are off the dribble(more difficult than a catch and shoot with no one around).
vs Jordan's (big ole bucket game vs portland. no one is guarding mike out that far. i believe this is a year when the 3pt line was moved up a bit too(correct me if i'm wrong here.)
Kobe never played for efficiency, as evidenced by him always taking the last quarter shots. Certain players are like that. He played his own way. Arguably the most skilled player ever. He also dealt with much more adversity on and off the court than Jordan tbh (changing roles, coaches, systems, etc).
this as well.
People do not realize how much easier jordan had it just by his coach giving him the green light all of the time to just be a scorer and only pass when necessary. Scottie's job was to facilitate the offense in all of those jordan ring years. He could also help on a great offensive player that may have been taller than MJ. since scottie was just as athletic but longer than mike.
Kobe never had that luxury. kobe was always the SG/PG who had to facilitate and "get his teammates involved." this was not jordan's job during those 6 ring years. that was scotties and kukoc's job.
There were games when phil told kobe to hit the MId post(where jordan lived) and let fisher/LO facilitate. Kobe would always drop crazy points with a high efficiency in those games. but that was not necessarily the best recipe for winning vs top level comp, especially not in the playoffs.
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:37 pm Post subject:
Drifts wrote:
Deathstroke wrote:
Kobe is the GOAT if you appreciate beautiful basketball skills. He's also faced and defeated the most 50+ win teams in playoff history. The man had the strongest strength of schedule of any all time great and still manged to win 5 rings. Not mention 3 years of his peak were wasted with a GARBAGE roster consisting of Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, Brian Cook, Kwame Brown, etc.
yup. add Jim Jackson, Aaron Mckie, Vlade Divac - all signed to practically just sit on the bench to live out their last days in the NBA.
the fact that Kobe managed to win with Mitch's "talent acquisition skills" gets him GOAT status by default...
I guess you mean Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza, Derek Fisher. Because that is who Kobe won with. And at least one of them will be in the HOF. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Kobe never played for efficiency, as evidenced by him always taking the last quarter shots. Certain players are like that. He played his own way. Arguably the most skilled player ever. He also dealt with much more adversity on and off the court than Jordan tbh (changing roles, coaches, systems, etc).
this as well.
People do not realize how much easier jordan had it just by his coach giving him the green light all of the time to just be a scorer and only pass when necessary. Scottie's job was to facilitate the offense in all of those jordan ring years. He could also help on a great offensive player that may have been taller than MJ. since scottie was just as athletic but longer than mike.
Kobe never had that luxury. kobe was always the SG/PG who had to facilitate and "get his teammates involved." this was not jordan's job during those 6 ring years. that was scotties and kukoc's job.
There were games when phil told kobe to hit the MId post(where jordan lived) and let fisher/LO facilitate. Kobe would always drop crazy points with a high efficiency in those games. but that was not necessarily the best recipe for winning vs top level comp, especially not in the playoffs.
You guys...come on. Your looking for any and every angle to elevate Kobe and denigrate Jordan. Every thing here is just an opinion, including Dyson's. I love Kobe. I love the Lakers more. I love the truth most.
Just my opinion, but a man who played six less seasons, took off two years in the middle of his career, and still have one more championship than my Laker legend, is telling you he was on another level.
I'm curious if we'd be talking about the comparison if he had not taken those two years off, and the Bulls could have conceivably won at least one more championship. That would be seven championships, and again in six less seasons.
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