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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: IndyStar: "Because if next season is not different, Paul George is probably gone to his hometown Los Angeles Lakers."

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/04/23/doyel-pacers-one-year-closer-losing-paul-george/100762758/


All that remains now is for Larry Bird to pull a rabbit from a hat and give this team – give Paul George – a reason to believe next season will be different. Because if next season is not different, Paul George is probably gone to his hometown Los Angeles Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:40 am    Post subject:

He will get traded this summer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject:

Its going to be hard for Indy...

If they do decide to hold on to George. A lot of there hopes will be resting on the shoulders of Myles Turners development...Can he become good enough to keep George interested in staying?

1. Depending on what his asking price is. They probably should move on from Teague.

2. Hold onto Thaddeus Young

3. Hold onto Lance Stephenson

Stephenson
Robinson
George
young
Turner

This can be a legit team...

Maybe target Mills for the right price, Hardaway Jr.

A lot of FA's don't want to go Indiana so a lot of there hopes rest on player development of Turner, and Robinson IMO...

I also think if Stephenson can just gain more confidence in his 3pt shooting hes a great piece for them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject:

BobbyB wrote:
Its going to be hard for Indy...

If they do decide to hold on to George. A lot of there hopes will be resting on the shoulders of Myles Turners development...Can he become good enough to keep George interested in staying?

1. Depending on what his asking price is. They probably should move on from Teague.

2. Hold onto Thaddeus Young

3. Hold onto Lance Stephenson

Stephenson
Robinson
George
young
Turner

This can be a legit team...

Maybe target Mills for the right price, Hardaway Jr.

A lot of FA's don't want to go Indiana so a lot of there hopes rest on player development of Turner, and Robinson IMO...

I also think if Stephenson can just gain more confidence in his 3pt shooting hes a great piece for them.


Unless Turner turns into a top 15 player, that's not legit team-- that's a team who gets swept by Cle in the 1st round
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Its going to be hard for Indy...

If they do decide to hold on to George. A lot of there hopes will be resting on the shoulders of Myles Turners development...Can he become good enough to keep George interested in staying?

1. Depending on what his asking price is. They probably should move on from Teague.

2. Hold onto Thaddeus Young

3. Hold onto Lance Stephenson

Stephenson
Robinson
George
young
Turner

This can be a legit team...

Maybe target Mills for the right price, Hardaway Jr.

A lot of FA's don't want to go Indiana so a lot of there hopes rest on player development of Turner, and Robinson IMO...

I also think if Stephenson can just gain more confidence in his 3pt shooting hes a great piece for them.


Unless Turner turns into a top 15 player, that's not legit team-- that's a team who gets swept by Cle in the 1st round


For sure...so would a lot of other teams. Holding a standard against Cleveland may not be the best strategy in team building...

All those pieces are young including George and have time to grow together.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject:

I think he's done in Indy, but the question remains whether he has the temperament to be a championship contender sidekick ... that's his apparent ceiling at this point (barring a very unusual evolution as a player in his late 20s), whether he cares to accept it or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:16 am    Post subject:

BobbyB wrote:
2019 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Its going to be hard for Indy...

If they do decide to hold on to George. A lot of there hopes will be resting on the shoulders of Myles Turners development...Can he become good enough to keep George interested in staying?

1. Depending on what his asking price is. They probably should move on from Teague.

2. Hold onto Thaddeus Young

3. Hold onto Lance Stephenson

Stephenson
Robinson
George
young
Turner

This can be a legit team...

Maybe target Mills for the right price, Hardaway Jr.

A lot of FA's don't want to go Indiana so a lot of there hopes rest on player development of Turner, and Robinson IMO...

I also think if Stephenson can just gain more confidence in his 3pt shooting hes a great piece for them.


Unless Turner turns into a top 15 player, that's not legit team-- that's a team who gets swept by Cle in the 1st round


For sure...so would a lot of other teams. Holding a standard against Cleveland may not be the best strategy in team building...

All those pieces are young including George and have time to grow together.


George doesn't want to wait to see them grow

and they actually have very few quality young pieces-- Turner is it. Unless they want to trade him for a proven all star, there is no path to Indy improving enough to keep PG in the mix. If he doesn't get all NBA status, Bird has no leverage.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject:

Funny thing about that roster is the possibilities of adding young pieces to that roster if they decide to move George and let Teague walk.

Depending on whether Bird deals with the Lakers or Celtics he can land a couple 1st rounders and quality young players to that rebuild.

From the Lakers he could get a PG with a top 3 pick, a quality big man with #28 and a player or two in the most discussed Clarkson or Randle. I include Black either as a young backup or an expiring contract.

From Boston he can have a few of their gazillion picks and a couple of young players. Bird can stockpile some assets if he decides to move on. Similar to what Ainge did in Boston.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
2019 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Its going to be hard for Indy...

If they do decide to hold on to George. A lot of there hopes will be resting on the shoulders of Myles Turners development...Can he become good enough to keep George interested in staying?

1. Depending on what his asking price is. They probably should move on from Teague.

2. Hold onto Thaddeus Young

3. Hold onto Lance Stephenson

Stephenson
Robinson
George
young
Turner

This can be a legit team...

Maybe target Mills for the right price, Hardaway Jr.

A lot of FA's don't want to go Indiana so a lot of there hopes rest on player development of Turner, and Robinson IMO...

I also think if Stephenson can just gain more confidence in his 3pt shooting hes a great piece for them.


Unless Turner turns into a top 15 player, that's not legit team-- that's a team who gets swept by Cle in the 1st round


For sure...so would a lot of other teams. Holding a standard against Cleveland may not be the best strategy in team building...

All those pieces are young including George and have time to grow together.


George doesn't want to wait to see them grow

and they actually have very few quality young pieces-- Turner is it. Unless they want to trade him for a proven all star, there is no path to Indy improving enough to keep PG in the mix. If he doesn't get all NBA status, Bird has no leverage.


Turner is arguably one of the best young prospects in the NBA.

George wants to come to the Lakers and watch our young guys grow? whats the diff?

we have to get rid of Russell or Julius or Ingram...Is it really that much better than Turner?

Thaddeus is still young and Robinson has value but you prob don't even know who that is.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: IndyStar: "Because if next season is not different, Paul George is probably gone to his hometown Los Angeles Lakers."

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http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/04/23/doyel-pacers-one-year-closer-losing-paul-george/100762758/


All that remains now is for Larry Bird to pull a rabbit from a hat and give this team – give Paul George – a reason to believe next season will be different. Because if next season is not different, Paul George is probably gone to his hometown Los Angeles Lakers.


He will be traded to the highest bidder. I'm guessing the Celtics if George agrees to extension. If we get the top pick though and I think Silver will rig it for us, George will go back home.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject:

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Maybe he just wants to come home after living in Indy for the majority of his adult life? Who knows.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject:

My gut says that PG is traded *somewhere* this offseason.

Hey, can the Clippers put together a solid enough deal?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject:

I think he gets moved to Boston in the summer.

Then I hope he leaves them high and dry next offseason and comes here
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
My gut says that PG is traded *somewhere* this offseason.

Hey, can the Clippers put together a solid enough deal?


no CP3 and Griffin are free agents

most likely CP3 will go to San Antonio and Griffin might join up with Westbrook
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject:

if we get the 3rd pick

you think Indy will take deng Clarkson and third pick for George and ellis
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject:

Interesting situation. We heard the same kind of talk from Kevin Love. If Bird thinks he is going to leave will a team other than the Lakers take a chance on him as a rental in the hopes he stays?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:

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My gut says that PG is traded *somewhere* this offseason.

Hey, can the Clippers put together a solid enough deal?


no CP3 and Griffin are free agents

most likely CP3 will go to San Antonio and Griffin might join up with Westbrook


You know I was really holding out hope for Griffin this offseason if CP3 left but idk about that injury history these days... I was entertaining a scenario where we sign Griffin, noticeably improve that season, then sign PG as a FA the following season. All pie in the sky stuff, but that was my dream until injuries started piling up for Blake
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
My gut says that PG is traded *somewhere* this offseason.

Hey, can the Clippers put together a solid enough deal?


If Bird going to trade George, he probably want young players and high draft picks which the Clips has none.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject:

1. Force trade to Boston.
2. Leave them for Lakers in free agency.
3. Lakers inherit the earth.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject:

Here's the cold dose of reality for those that wanna rush to get Paul George before he's a free agent.


He is done "waiting" for a team to grow.

He wants a winning situation where they can immediately be a top 3 team in either the West or the East and actually have a shot at contention.

And if we can't give him that in the single year we traded our pieces and youth for him, he's walking somewhere else that can and he doesn't have to wait on.

So unless you can think of a set of realistic moves that immediately puts us in the top 3 teams in the West within the season we traded our assets to get him, then you'll be watching him go to Houston or Boston in that coming off-season.


it took all but 2 seasons for ya'll to revert back to the "delusional" aspects ya'll bashed Mitch and Jim for.

How many of ya'll were screaming at them that saying "we're the Lakers" don't work anymore and then praised them for moving on from the delusion and actually start team building?

Now some of ya'll are right back on that "George won't leave us in Free Agency cause we're the Lakers/Can offer him an extra year on his contract" with Paul George?

Can't have it both ways.

Fact is this, we WON'T build a team that has a shot at the top 3 in the West within a season of trading our assets for Paul George and when Houston, Boston, Washington comes a knocking with cap space AND an instant spot on a team already in the top 5, he's going there and we are left with nothing and needing to rebuild ALL OVER again after crushing all we built over the past few years of getting these kids, and sabotaging all LUKE built, last season, for a one year rental.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject:

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whats the diff?


Maybe he just wants to come home after living in Indy for the majority of his adult life? Who knows.


For sure that's a possibility that has nothing to do with the players around him.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Here's the cold dose of reality for those that wanna rush to get Paul George before he's a free agent.


He is done "waiting" for a team to grow.

He wants a winning situation where they can immediately be a top 3 team in either the West or the East and actually have a shot at contention.

And if we can't give him that in the single year we traded our pieces and youth for him, he's walking somewhere else that can and he doesn't have to wait on.

So unless you can think of a set of realistic moves that immediately puts us in the top 3 teams in the West within the season we traded our assets to get him, then you'll be watching him go to Houston or Boston in that coming off-season.


PG on Houston would be so awesome! just as a fan of Basketball would love to see that!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Here's the cold dose of reality for those that wanna rush to get Paul George before he's a free agent.


He is done "waiting" for a team to grow.

He wants a winning situation where they can immediately be a top 3 team in either the West or the East and actually have a shot at contention.

And if we can't give him that in the single year we traded our pieces and youth for him, he's walking somewhere else that can and he doesn't have to wait on.

So unless you can think of a set of realistic moves that immediately puts us in the top 3 teams in the West within the season we traded our assets to get him, then you'll be watching him go to Houston or Boston in that coming off-season.


Word. I'm definitely pro-waiting for FA unless a miracle trade opens up... Which it won't with teams like the C's out there to drive up trade value with their assets.
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BobbyB wrote:
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Here's the cold dose of reality for those that wanna rush to get Paul George before he's a free agent.


He is done "waiting" for a team to grow.

He wants a winning situation where they can immediately be a top 3 team in either the West or the East and actually have a shot at contention.

And if we can't give him that in the single year we traded our pieces and youth for him, he's walking somewhere else that can and he doesn't have to wait on.

So unless you can think of a set of realistic moves that immediately puts us in the top 3 teams in the West within the season we traded our assets to get him, then you'll be watching him go to Houston or Boston in that coming off-season.


PG on Houston would be so awesome! just as a fan of Basketball would love to see that!


I'm sure Houston would too, essentially trading in Ariza for Paul George....for the fact of the matter, Paul George would probably like that a lot too.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject:

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Funny thing about that roster is the possibilities of adding young pieces to that roster if they decide to move George and let Teague walk.

Depending on whether Bird deals with the Lakers or Celtics he can land a couple 1st rounders and quality young players to that rebuild.

From the Lakers he could get a PG with a top 3 pick, a quality big man with #28 and a player or two in the most discussed Clarkson or Randle. I include Black either as a young backup or an expiring contract.

From Boston he can have a few of their gazillion picks and a couple of young players. Bird can stockpile some assets if he decides to move on. Similar to what Ainge did in Boston.


I mean, if Paul George decides he wants Lakers and Lakers only.. that could potentially take Boston out of the mix as I doubt they'd want to give up assets for a rental without assurance he'd stay. If that happens to be the case, I still think a package surrounding Julius Randle can get the job done.

The problem is.. Indiana will have oodles and oodles of cap space to work with this off-season. They'll have 40 million before deciding what to do with Jeff Teague.

The Lakers will have 32 milion and that's only IF they don't retain Tarik Black (less likely) and Nick Young opts out (which I think is likely)

If they keep Tarik then it's 26 million.

For comparisons-sake.. I believe a player like Gordon Hayward's max will start right around 30 to 31 per year.
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