Thinking about it some more though it seems really weird to me, because ultimately a player has no control over whether he gets traded (no-trade clauses aren't until after the 8th seasons)
which means that they have no control over whether they can earn that significant amount of extra money. Because if they get traded in their 5th-8th season, they lose all that money.
How did the player association agree to this? _________________ Kobe
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Butler and PG can fill the 1st and 2nd option roles in offense and will be best defensive wing duo in Nba
Ibaka would be our shooting big whe can play both sides of the game
DLO, PG and Butler provides enough ball handiling.
Would have a nice bench and with Clarkson/Bogdanovic/Nance coming for Mozgov we can have flexibility when we go small with different alternative lineups.
Thinking about it some more though it seems really weird to me, because ultimately a player has no control over whether he gets traded (no-trade clauses aren't until after the 8th seasons)
which means that they have no control over whether they can earn that significant amount of extra money. Because if they get traded in their 5th-8th season, they lose all that money.
How did the player association agree to this?
Probably because it affects a very, very, very, very small number of players and those very, very, very, very few players want the possibility to earn even more, to the point where they're willing to take that risk. And blocking it might have meant a work stoppage. So it boils down to "Do you want to make no money to support something that is 99.99% likely NOT to affect you or do you want to make millions instead?"
Probably because it affects a very, very, very, very small number of players and those very, very, very, very few players want the possibility to earn even more, to the point where they're willing to take that risk. And blocking it might have meant a work stoppage. So it boils down to "Do you want to make no money to support something that is 99.99% likely NOT to affect you or do you want to make millions instead?"
Yeah okay you're right
but still, let's take a look at the players who will be ineligible because of that caveat
Kevin Durant
Lamarcus Aldridge
Carmelo Anthony
Kyle Lowry
Kevin Love
That's kinda stupid no?
Meanwhile Lebron james is eligible because he returned to his home team. Which no other player has ever done. so they added that exception specifically for lebron james? _________________ Kobe
Probably because it affects a very, very, very, very small number of players and those very, very, very, very few players want the possibility to earn even more, to the point where they're willing to take that risk. And blocking it might have meant a work stoppage. So it boils down to "Do you want to make no money to support something that is 99.99% likely NOT to affect you or do you want to make millions instead?"
Yeah okay you're right
but still, let's take a look at the players who will be ineligible because of that caveat
Kevin Durant
Lamarcus Aldridge
Carmelo Anthony
Kyle Lowry
Kevin Love
That's kinda stupid no?
Meanwhile Lebron james is eligible because he returned to his home team. Which no other player has ever done. so they added that exception specifically for lebron james?
it’s pretty darned interesting that Chris Paul stands to be one of the biggest individual beneficiaries of a subtle rule change on deck for the new collective bargaining agreement.
Who else wins here?
The two other players who immediately jump out as beneficiaries of this rule change happen to be close CP3 friends and fellow union leaders LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. Both can become free agents in 2018. Both will be able to sign longer max salary deals than would previously have been possible.
How is carmelo eligible for it since he was traded well after his rookie contract?
edit; nvm that article is about a change to the over36 rule. but yeah the union leaders definitely managed to make a good deal for themselves _________________ Kobe
Yep. Max is dead-on with all his points, and articulated them in an easily understandable way. Been saying this myself, since the beginning of the entire trade debate, whether it was for PG or Butler. Not trading for those dudes, just to have a depleted team get their arses handed to them by the GSW super-squad.
Read the winds, be patient, accumulate/cultivate young talent, and strike the FA market when it's hot.
Probably because it affects a very, very, very, very small number of players and those very, very, very, very few players want the possibility to earn even more, to the point where they're willing to take that risk. And blocking it might have meant a work stoppage. So it boils down to "Do you want to make no money to support something that is 99.99% likely NOT to affect you or do you want to make millions instead?"
Yeah okay you're right
but still, let's take a look at the players who will be ineligible because of that caveat
Kevin Durant
Lamarcus Aldridge
Carmelo Anthony
Kyle Lowry
Kevin Love
That's kinda stupid no?
Meanwhile Lebron james is eligible because he returned to his home team. Which no other player has ever done. so they added that exception specifically for lebron james?
Well, the only guy who deserves a $30 million salary in that group is Durant. That's one guy. Anthony is lucky he doesn't play in the NFL, because he would have been cut long ago.
Regarding LeBron, LeBron makes the rules, so yeah that exception and the age exception were added because of him and a few of his older, near top player buddies.
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:58 am Post subject:
vdogg11 wrote:
MJST wrote:
If he's so hell bent on coming to the Lakers, let him in free agency.
I have no freaking clue what the rush is for. If you're afraid he's gonna go elsewhere if we don't trade for him, then I don't get why you think he still WOULDN'T go elsewhere with our depleted core when Houston and Boston are better options.
Everyone seems to be super confident or convinced he really wants to go to the Lakers EXCEPT Lakers fans.
agreed. and we need to stop talking about paul George like he's kawhi leonard or something. he's not.
He is a hell of a lot closer than anyone we have. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:02 pm Post subject:
socalsp3 wrote:
MJST wrote:
vdogg11 wrote:
MJST wrote:
If he's so hell bent on coming to the Lakers, let him in free agency.
I have no freaking clue what the rush is for. If you're afraid he's gonna go elsewhere if we don't trade for him, then I don't get why you think he still WOULDN'T go elsewhere with our depleted core when Houston and Boston are better options.
Everyone seems to be super confident or convinced he really wants to go to the Lakers EXCEPT Lakers fans.
agreed. and we need to stop talking about paul George like he's kawhi leonard or something. he's not.
No, he's not.
You ask the question "Whose better, Paul George or Jimmy Butler" you wouldn't likely find someone that would out and out say "George without a doubt".
George gets overrated cause he's "there" and wants to be a Laker, and after years of getting burned by FAs they need someone to latch on to and he's that guy, BUT he's also at best a Robin on a championship team and we ARE NOT getting "Batman" during the season we'd trade our youth for him and he'll waltz away to Houston or Boston while we watch whichever of the core we traded for him rule it up in Indiana and feel stupid like the Knicks felt when they unloaded all their depth for a Carmelo they could have gotten in free agency had they waited a few months.
And George isn't even on a prime Melo's level so there's that too. Better defender, but better player? No.
Great point. lakers would be heading down the path of the current NY Knicks if they gut the core for PG13
No one is suggesting they gut the core for PG, stop making crap up. And that "core" can't win 30 games. God I hate tanking, it turns everyone into losers. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:05 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
If he gets traded to some other team the chances of him signing with us in 2018 are next to nothing imo
If the chances of him signing with us are next to nothing if he was traded to another team. Then our chances would be worse to retain him, with a depleted version of the team we have now to get him...
Not really, he will likely sign with whoever has his Bird Rights. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
I'd give up the pick before I gave up Julius or DLO or Ingram *zips up flame suit*
The pick would be the first thing I offered.
Fultz is a better prospect than anyone we have.
For the record, same thing was said about our pick last year, and the pick the year before that, and the pick the year before that _________________ Kobe
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:07 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
MJST wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
If he gets traded to some other team the chances of him signing with us in 2018 are next to nothing imo
If the chances of him signing with us are next to nothing if he was traded to another team. Then our chances would be worse to retain him, with a depleted version of the team we have now to get him...
No, the reason I say that is because of the extra 100 million he will get for sticking with whatever team has him, because of the new cba that starts next season
Than if it's all about money, he'll stay in Indiana and they don't need to trade him anyway.
I am sure that is his thinking, stay in Indy and get the super max. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Yep. Max is dead-on with all his points, and articulated them in an easily understandable way. Been saying this myself, since the beginning of the entire trade debate, whether it was for PG or Butler. Not trading for those dudes, just to have a depleted team get their arses handed to them by the GSW super-squad.
Read the winds, be patient, accumulate/cultivate young talent, and strike the FA market when it's hot.
ZOOM!!!!!
I also 100% agree with Max Kellerman. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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