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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: Lou Williams for 28th pick a Good/Bad trade? |
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Trading Lou Williams (30 years) one of the best players we had here who was still averaging 18.6 ppg for Houston's 28th pick back in Feb certainly told fans that the Lakers are more concerned about building towards the future and the youth than they are about winning now.
Fast forward 2 months later to April.
Looking at what Magic and Jeanie are saying about trying to bring in an all-star right now in Paul George (26 years) or Jimmy Butler (27 years) to make the plaoyffs, makes it seem like we're actually building towards winning now.
Unless the Lakers think that the 28th pick could be used as an extra enticement to a team to trade for it, shouldn't we have just kept Lou who is still pretty much a borderline all-star 6th man of the year reserve so that our run to make the playoffs next year more doable, instead of trading him for a rookie that may not see a lot of playing time next season? _________________ |
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VanCity Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Tank purposes to help keep pick, and develop young players (also help raise their trade value) |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Lou Williams for 28th pick a Good/Bad trade? |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | Trading Lou Williams (30 years) one of the best players we had here who was still averaging 18.6 ppg for Houston's 28th pick back in Feb certainly told fans that the Lakers are more concerned about building towards the future and the youth than they are about winning now.
Fast forward 2 months later to April.
Looking at what Magic and Jeanie are saying about trying to bring in an all-star right now in Paul George (26 years) or Jimmy Butler (27 years) to make the plaoyffs, makes it seem like we're actually building towards winning now.
Unless the Lakers think that the 28th pick could be used as an extra enticement to a team to trade for it, shouldn't we have just kept Lou who is still pretty much a borderline all-star 6th man of the year reserve so that our run to make the playoffs next year more doable, instead of trading him for a rookie that may not see a lot of playing time next season? |
At the time they were probably thinking:
1. need to up the trade value of our young players
2. increase the odds of a top 3 pick
3. giving our young players valuable time to learn how to win (winning 5 out of last 6 was a good example). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:21 am Post subject: |
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it was fine. _________________ Austin Reaves
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: |
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The FO was also doing Lou a solid by trading him to a playoff team. Same with releasing Jose (didn't have to do it, Jose is better than D-league players including Nwaba) |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: |
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My only compliant about the deal at the time was why did we have to take back Brewer when Ennis/McDaniels exp. k would have work? Brewer is 6-7M in dead cap space on the books for next season. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:26 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | My only compliant about the deal at the time was why did we have to take back Brewer when Ennis/McDaniels exp. k would have work? Brewer is 6-7M in dead cap space on the books for next season. |
I agree....it was not a slam dunk as some tried to suggest to pump up the new regime.....but it was an ok deal. I like that Lou went to a contender that could use his gifts, and it opened up PT for DLo and Clarkson. |
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70sdude Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Even without the tanking goal, I reckon it's view-able as a good trade if either:
- in three years we see that the 2017 draft yielded the Lakers a superior overall talent. We weren't going to get one with Lou playing full-time.
- today we look in the rear view mirror and judge Lou's impact on the team for his duration here, years as essentially an inconsequential player. Do we need an instant offense guy today who blocks the team from full on attempts towards realizing rapid development of higher potential guards ? Probably not.
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:29 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | My only compliant about the deal at the time was why did we have to take back Brewer when Ennis/McDaniels exp. k would have work? Brewer is 6-7M in dead cap space on the books for next season. |
I agree....it was not a slam dunk as some tried to suggest to pump up the new regime.....but it was an ok deal. I like that Lou went to a contender that could use his gifts, and it opened up PT for DLo and Clarkson. |
It was a double win for the Rockets. Dumping Brewer and getting the best player in the deal. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Fortysixn2 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: |
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It was ok, we could have gotten more probably...but Mitch and Jim were so intent on trying to save their jobs by getting Cousins, they apparently let some better deals for lou pass them by.
I think as soon as Rob and Magic took over they just wanted to pull the trigger on the Lou thing before houston another trade partner and left us holding the bag.
Trading lou got us a first round pick, helped secure the tank and I think DLO looked a lot better after his departure. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:35 am Post subject: |
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It was a so-so trade until we found out about Tyler (bleep) Ennis. Rockets got fleeced! |
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JerryMaguire Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Lou Williams. "Borderline all-star"
lakersground.net ladies and gentlemen |
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TDG Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I personally would have rather kept him. Even if we dont get a big name FA we need a player like him to help us get into the playoffs next year and hes on a really good contract. |
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Dreamshake Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I think it was a great trade. |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:53 am Post subject: |
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As an FYI, Lou played some of the worst ball of his career after being traded to Houston. He did relatively well against the Thunder, but he's generally been one of the poorest playoff performers in the league. For instance, Mike D'Antoni was chewing him out for his defense on Abrines, Westbrook last night. He is who he is at this point. He'll get you buckets, but at the expense of ball movement, defense. Read up why Toronto and Atlanta didn't want him back. I'd love to see his antics fly against the Spurs or Warriors.
That being said, it was a good trade for both sides. Houston is in win-now mode. They'll be contending for few more seasons. They need to do whatever they can to stay relevant the next few years. |
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pmacla Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: |
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great trade when you consider Brewer affords us to dump Deng, Brewer in his short time here played the way I expected Deng to |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Lou Williams for 28th pick a Good/Bad trade? |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Trading Lou Williams (30 years) one of the best players we had here who was still averaging 18.6 ppg for Houston's 28th pick back in Feb certainly told fans that the Lakers are more concerned about building towards the future and the youth than they are about winning now.
Fast forward 2 months later to April.
Looking at what Magic and Jeanie are saying about trying to bring in an all-star right now in Paul George (26 years) or Jimmy Butler (27 years) to make the plaoyffs, makes it seem like we're actually building towards winning now.
Unless the Lakers think that the 28th pick could be used as an extra enticement to a team to trade for it, shouldn't we have just kept Lou who is still pretty much a borderline all-star 6th man of the year reserve so that our run to make the playoffs next year more doable, instead of trading him for a rookie that may not see a lot of playing time next season? |
At the time they were probably thinking:
1. need to up the trade value of our young players
2. increase the odds of a top 3 pick
3. giving our young players valuable time to learn how to win (winning 5 out of last 6 was a good example). |
And likely 4) make sure they have a 1st round pick just in case they lose their own to Philly. |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: |
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JerryMaguire wrote: | Lou Williams. "Borderline all-star"
lakersground.net ladies and gentlemen |
Hey so was Lamar Odom a borderline all-star 6th man right LG?
But Lou's numbers this year off the bench was even better than any of the numbers that Manu Ginobli put up during his all-star seasons. _________________ |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Brewer was able to offer some veteran effort and his hustle obviously rubbed off on the young players. So it did wind up working. I'm still pissed Brewer was all we got, but at the same time for the purpose he was here it worked out fairly well as far as impact on the youth. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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richmorgan12 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Lou Williams for 28th pick a Good/Bad trade? |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | shouldn't we have just kept Lou who is still pretty much a borderline all-star 6th man of the year reserve so that our run to make the playoffs next year more doable |
What run to the playoffs next year? |
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USCandLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:19 am Post subject: |
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As other have said, we were trying to tank.
He really should have been traded at the beginning of January. Surprised more teams didn't offer their 1st round picks, though I suppose those teams could have wanted to hold onto their picks knowing they had no chance of beating GS. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I figured this thread was coming. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Lou was our best player this season.
But that's in the context of playing with a bunch of kids and washed up vets.
I think the deal ended up benefitting both teams and the player. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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davidse Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Should have done it earlier.
You could see it coming months (if not longer) ahead, so the time to move him was after that amazing stretch he had for us in December (?) or whenever that was.
That's how you maximize trade value and have the team finish 2nd in the tank race.
Lou is "worth" more than the 28th pick and Brewer, but tank was paramount, as was getting a guaranteed pick in the draft, and it's probably the best we could have done at the last minute.
just shouldn't have waited for the last minute in the first place... |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:48 am Post subject: |
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If we end up using the Houston pick as part of a big move, then that would that we ended up getting a asset that we needed to use.
The pick is a more valuable in terms of adding assets. |
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