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pio2u
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 Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:42 am Post subject: Ranking Each Superstar’s Chance of Landing in LA |
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Ranking Each Superstar’s Chance of Landing in LA
Perhaps the most constant Lakers rumors are regarding an inevitable superstar joining the team. What exactly is each star’s chance in joining the Lakers?
| Quote: | | The Lakers are desperate for some star power, that is without question. D’Angelo Russell was drafted to be the face of the new Lakers, and while he is making steps towards that role, he is not quite there yet. Russell leads a promising young Lakers core that definitely has a ton of upside, it just lacks the experience and NBA IQ that is so needed to be successful. |
http://lasportshub.com/2017/04/25/lakers-rumors-ranking-superstars/
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1)not injury prone
2)attempts to play defense
3)profit! |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:15 am Post subject: |
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They should go after Hayward and George but I wouldn't expect either to suit up here next season.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | 1)not injury prone
2)attempts to play defense
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From the list I'm taking my chance on PG but I'll wait for him in 2018. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | They should go after Hayward and George but I wouldn't expect either to suit up here next season. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| George and if they get him through trade this summer, then Cousins next summer as a FA. |
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George is a 50/50 right now in coming. Depending on what Magic and Pelinka think of our young guys, it could be higher, assuming that George doesn't make an all nba team and get the ultra max. Top 3 + DLO + BI is probably enough to get him over here, but I don't think most people would like that trade....it's not up to us though.
Slight chance of Melo coming, although I think to the Clippers or Cavs is a stronger possibility. Probably less than 5% chance of him coming here.
Hayward and the rest will never be in a lakers uniform IMO. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, but I don't see any "Superstars" on this list.
PG13 could be one someday.
CP3 & Melo might have been one at some point.
Cousins might never be one.
Gordon Hayward might become one if he signs with Boston, they win, and he has career stats there. (He seems to be the type that Boston fans dream of)
Superstars are players like Lebron, Curry, KD, Kobe, 2000's Wade, Shaq, Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc.
But here is my list in order of most likely future Lakers Stars.
1) PG13. Sounds like he wants the Lakers. Lakers want him. Only thing that can throw a wrench in that is if he makes an All-NBA team, or he gets traded to Boston.
2) Blake. He might want a fresh start, but remain in LA. Most likely the Clips throw him 5 years/200m, but OKC is always a possibility.
3) Cousins. I don't want him, but maybe he comes knocking and we can't pretend that we're not home because our team jet is in the driveway.
4) Melo. I can see a Clarkson/Deng deal for Melo, but it might be a grave mistake. ISO Ball. Holding on to the ball too long. Won't buy into certain systems. But if he's willing to buy in, and play the 4, he could work. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | They should go after Hayward and George but I wouldn't expect either to suit up here next season. |
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So then what is everyone's ideal offseason?
Mine would be that:
1) We retain our pick this year (and of course that means we keep our 2019 pick too) and draft Lonzo Ball.
2) Trade for Jimmy Butler with any combo of Russell, Randle, Clarkson, or Nance. I'm not saying trade all of them for Jimmy.
3) Find a way to rid ourselves of either Deng or Mozgov's contracts for a contract that expires next year (getting rid of both would be great, but I'm not sure if we would realistically be able to). Of course, we may have to include Houston's pick in any deal (28th).
Obviously I don't have exact figures to know if it would work with the cap, but the intention is to give us enough cap space to sign Paul George outright the following summer.
That gives us a lineup of Ball, Butler, George, either Randle/Nance (whichever one isn't dealt in a Butler deal), and Zubac with Ingram coming off the bench. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Forget about top free agents. We have to trade young pieces for one or we have to trade young pieces alongside Mozgov/Deng contract to free cap space if we want a legit NBA player in Lakersland.
| LarryCoon wrote: | Current cap projection is $101M.
Non-taxpayer MLE will be $8,406,000
Room exception will be $4,328,000
Bi-Annual exception will be $3,290,000
The Lakers' cap room will depend on what happens with their own pick, and Black & Young (and to a small extent, Nwaba). If they keep Black & Nwaba, and Young opts in, and they get the #1 pick, then their team salary is $91,704,624 and they have $9,295,376 in cap room. They could go either direction here -- they can waive their mid-level & bi-annual and use the room, then they'd get the Room exception to spend, for a total of $13,623,376. Or they could spend the non-tax MLE and BAE, for a total of $11,696,000 (plus keep Bird rights to Ennis & Robinson, if they want).
On the other extreme, if they waive Black before his salary guarantees, waive Nwaba, Young opts out, and they lose their pick to Philly, they'd have a team salary of $73,511,374, giving them cap room of $27,511,374.
Note that this is above the 0-6 year max, but prime free agents who qualify for this max are typically restricted. The 7-9 year max will be about $30,300,000 (this is the range that Blake Griffin will be in, for example), and the Lakers will be short -- even in the "best" case scenario where they lose their pick & Black. The 10+ year max will be about $35,350,000, and the Lakers will be well short.
And just to give a middle scenario, let's say the Lakers get the #2 pick, lose Black & Young, and keep Nwaba. They'd be at $81,087,797, with $19,912,203 -- enough for an average-to-good starter.
One other point to make is that the Lakers COULD choose to waive & stretch Deng if a star player wants to come here and the team needs the cap space. Doing so would add $9,475,714 to their cap space this year, at the cost of $7,714,286 being dead weight on their payroll for the next seven years. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul George will be here next year. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | They should go after Hayward and George but I wouldn't expect either to suit up here next season. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | They should go after Hayward and George but I wouldn't expect either to suit up here next season. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^^yeah not happening... |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Concerning Blake Griffin - Kevin Deng wrote:
| Quote: | “More and more people around the league believe he would be open to a fresh start—
perhaps with the Lakers or the Boston Celtics, who have coveted Griffin for years and would offer a new chance to win.
The most intriguing fit might be if he were to go home to Oklahoma to join Russell Westbrook and the Thunder, but his interests in the entertainment industry make staying in Los Angeles a priority.” |
http://lakeshowlife.com/2017/03/27/lakers-rumors-blake-griffin-wants-to-switch-l-a-jersey/ |
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Ugh. Say we sign Griffin, then what do you do with Jules? Trade him?
Or do you appease your "star" cravings, and keep the youngsters?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ugh. Say we sign Griffin, then what do you do with Jules? Trade him?
Or do you appease your "star" cravings, and keep the youngsters? |
I'd keep the youngsters but signing Griffin would be interesting. However I also think that OKC or Boston would be better fits for BG. |
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| defense wrote: | 1)not injury prone
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You forgot 4) Has a house in LA!
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| pio2u wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ugh. Say we sign Griffin, then what do you do with Jules? Trade him?
Or do you appease your "star" cravings, and keep the youngsters? |
I'd keep the youngsters but signing Griffin would be interesting. However I also think that OKC or Boston would be better fits for BG. |
I don't think OKC has anything that the Clips want. Dipo at 20m+ a year? Kanter? Ugh.
Boston, maybe, but Blake apparently wants to be in LA.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ugh. Say we sign Griffin, then what do you do with Jules? Trade him?
Or do you appease your "star" cravings, and keep the youngsters? |
I'd keep the youngsters but signing Griffin would be interesting. However I also think that OKC or Boston would be better fits for BG. |
I don't think OKC has anything that the Clips want. Dipo at 20m+ a year? Kanter? Ugh.
Boston, maybe, but Blake apparently wants to be in LA. |
Westbrook 
Maybe we could package Jules and other assets to Indy for PG13.
However I'm doubt that we have the space to take on both contracts. |
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| quartzcharm wrote: | So then what is everyone's ideal offseason?
Mine would be that:
1) We retain our pick this year (and of course that means we keep our 2019 pick too) and draft Lonzo Ball.
2) Trade for Jimmy Butler with any combo of Russell, Randle, Clarkson, or Nance. I'm not saying trade all of them for Jimmy.
3) Find a way to rid ourselves of either Deng or Mozgov's contracts for a contract that expires next year (getting rid of both would be great, but I'm not sure if we would realistically be able to). Of course, we may have to include Houston's pick in any deal (28th).
Obviously I don't have exact figures to know if it would work with the cap, but the intention is to give us enough cap space to sign Paul George outright the following summer.
That gives us a lineup of Ball, Butler, George, either Randle/Nance (whichever one isn't dealt in a Butler deal), and Zubac with Ingram coming off the bench. |
This is matching my ideal off season except I would use George as a stretch 4 and start Ingram. Then use Nance/Randle to sub Ingram for matching up a traditional 4 and play the small ball more with Lonzo setting the pace. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ugh. Say we sign Griffin, then what do you do with Jules? Trade him?
Or do you appease your "star" cravings, and keep the youngsters? |
You have to have someone to play all those games that Griffin misses.
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| CRoost wrote: | | quartzcharm wrote: | So then what is everyone's ideal offseason?
Mine would be that:
1) We retain our pick this year (and of course that means we keep our 2019 pick too) and draft Lonzo Ball.
2) Trade for Jimmy Butler with any combo of Russell, Randle, Clarkson, or Nance. I'm not saying trade all of them for Jimmy.
3) Find a way to rid ourselves of either Deng or Mozgov's contracts for a contract that expires next year (getting rid of both would be great, but I'm not sure if we would realistically be able to). Of course, we may have to include Houston's pick in any deal (28th).
Obviously I don't have exact figures to know if it would work with the cap, but the intention is to give us enough cap space to sign Paul George outright the following summer.
That gives us a lineup of Ball, Butler, George, either Randle/Nance (whichever one isn't dealt in a Butler deal), and Zubac with Ingram coming off the bench. |
This is matching my ideal off season except I would use George as a stretch 4 and start Ingram. Then use Nance/Randle to sub Ingram for matching up a traditional 4 and play the small ball more with Lonzo setting the pace. |
I would rather have DLO than Lonzo Ball.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Ugh. Say we sign Griffin, then what do you do with Jules? Trade him?
Or do you appease your "star" cravings, and keep the youngsters? |
Maybe you keep Julius and just bring him off the bench while still playing starter's minutes?
PF: Blake (30)/Julius (18)
C: Moz (18)/Larry (15)/Zu (8)/Julius (7)
Looking at it, maybe you trade one of Julius/Larry/Zu, since there's not a ton of minutes in the frontcourt, and that's not even accounting for Deng/Black either. |
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