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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | The one thing theybare likeliest to miss is the guy who makes the call on the draft picks and such. Their scouting is good, but it was always Mitch who decided alone on the actual trigger to pull. You can't do that by committee. Someone eventually has to decide among the different views, and that someone is as yet unknown. |
I actually think Mitch was coerced into taking DLo. I swear it was written all over his face when he called the pick in.
And it was actually the right pick. No regret on not taking Porzingis (who'm some reports had as #3 on our list). Certainly hope Mitch didn't love Okafor. |
Nah, it was a ballsy call (and im sure not without some trepidation), but he took full responsibility for those, although he would often deflect some credit to a scout or staffer (Ryan and Jesse on Clarkson, Lester on Bynum, their euro scout on zubac)
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| Omar Little wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | The one thing theybare likeliest to miss is the guy who makes the call on the draft picks and such. Their scouting is good, but it was always Mitch who decided alone on the actual trigger to pull. You can't do that by committee. Someone eventually has to decide among the different views, and that someone is as yet unknown. |
I actually think Mitch was coerced into taking DLo. I swear it was written all over his face when he called the pick in.
And it was actually the right pick. No regret on not taking Porzingis (who'm some reports had as #3 on our list). Certainly hope Mitch didn't love Okafor. |
Nah, it was a ballsy call (and im sure not without some trepidation), but he took full responsibility for those, although he would often deflect some credit to a scout or staffer (Ryan and Jesse on Clarkson, Lester on Bynum, their euro scout on zubac) |
Ya he did always take responsibility. |
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Omar Little
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I've always said that the most necessary and toughest job is the guy who when there's a tough call and no pure obvious answer and everyone is in different camps on what to do, makes the solid call. It is a tough thing, and no amount of collaboration, upgradingnanalytics, or adding scouts changes that at some point, one person has to decide.
This is something I've taught to youngsters about being the boss. That moment when there's no good or easy call and when you look over your shoulder for help, there's no one there.
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| akk7 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
Your answer to number six is in the article. There is no longer another, more senior assistant gm. Jesse is now it, and while ryan is involved in two tiers of the scouting, Jesse oversees all of them. Jesse was the key family vote on the change. If he doesn't go along, no majority. There's a reason he's been inserted into the narrative and has quietly recreated where Jim was a couple decades ago vis a vis Jerry buss (now jeanie), Jerry West (now magic), and Mitch (now pelinka). |
Yea certain things can be seen between the lines. He went from the guy who got chastised for getting caught pissing outside to being portrayed as a big part of the front office.
But I'm still curious about how much they relied on Ryan and if he leaves the organization in the near future since he won't be the GM. The Kings had offered him a position, but he declined. |
That is sometimes the nature of things when family/owners are also involved in the day to day operations of a business. Jerry (Ryan's father) was less than happy with some of the things that happened in the organization such as the Jeanie and Phil pairing. I have no idea if Ryan had already considered the possibility that things might not go as expected in regards to his eventual ascension to GM of the Lakers. |
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Magic, I haven't thought much of you heading in but this is a very good decision.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | The one thing theybare likeliest to miss is the guy who makes the call on the draft picks and such. Their scouting is good, but it was always Mitch who decided alone on the actual trigger to pull. You can't do that by committee. Someone eventually has to decide among the different views, and that someone is as yet unknown. |
Wouldn't that be Pelinka now? |
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| Batguano wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | The one thing theybare likeliest to miss is the guy who makes the call on the draft picks and such. Their scouting is good, but it was always Mitch who decided alone on the actual trigger to pull. You can't do that by committee. Someone eventually has to decide among the different views, and that someone is as yet unknown. |
Wouldn't that be Pelinka now? |
Who knows?
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isn't it Magic? He pretty much came out and said that's what he wanted to do:
Feb. 10, 2017
Magic Johnson said he wants to “call the shots’’ for the Los Angeles Lakers, a week after it was announced he has rejoined the team as an adviser to owner Jeanie Buss.
“Working to call the shots, because it only works that way,’’ Johnson told USA TODAY Sports when asked what he hopes his role with the franchise will be. “Right now I’m advising. I get that. But at the end of the day, then we all got to come together and somebody’s got to say, ‘I’m making the final call,’ all right? And who’s that going to be?
“So, we’ll see what happens.’’
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/02/10/magic-johnson-shot-caller-los-angeles-lakers/97732992/ |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | The one thing theybare likeliest to miss is the guy who makes the call on the draft picks and such. Their scouting is good, but it was always Mitch who decided alone on the actual trigger to pull. You can't do that by committee. Someone eventually has to decide among the different views, and that someone is as yet unknown. |
Wouldn't that be Pelinka now? |
Who knows? |
My inferred guess is Magic, my delusion hope is Pelinka
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | The one thing theybare likeliest to miss is the guy who makes the call on the draft picks and such. Their scouting is good, but it was always Mitch who decided alone on the actual trigger to pull. You can't do that by committee. Someone eventually has to decide among the different views, and that someone is as yet unknown. |
Wouldn't that be Pelinka now? |
Who knows? |
My inferred guess is Magic, my delusion hope is Pelinka |
The concern here is that neither guy is tested in that arena. And as we've seen time and again, in both directions, you can't really say how a guy will do until he's in that chair. And even obvious looking skills may or may not transfer.
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| Quote: | Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina
More changes with Lakers. Scout Chaz Osborne is no longer part of the team. |
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| epak wrote: | | Quote: | Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina
More changes with Lakers. Scout Chaz Osborne is no longer part of the team. |
Say it ain't so |
the bartender? |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
Your answer to number six is in the article. There is no longer another, more senior assistant gm. Jesse is now it, and while ryan is involved in two tiers of the scouting, Jesse oversees all of them. Jesse was the key family vote on the change. If he doesn't go along, no majority. There's a reason he's been inserted into the narrative and has quietly recreated where Jim was a couple decades ago vis a vis Jerry buss (now jeanie), Jerry West (now magic), and Mitch (now pelinka). |
Yea certain things can be seen between the lines. He went from the guy who got chastised for getting caught pissing outside to being portrayed as a big part of the front office.
But I'm still curious about how much they relied on Ryan and if he leaves the organization in the near future since he won't be the GM. The Kings had offered him a position, but he declined. |
That is sometimes the nature of things when family/owners are also involved in the day to day operations of a business. Jerry (Ryan's father) was less than happy with some of the things that happened in the organization such as the Jeanie and Phil pairing. I have no idea if Ryan had already considered the possibility that things might not go as expected in regards to his eventual ascension to GM of the Lakers. |
If I were Ballmer I would pry Ryan West away, have him work with Doc as long as he is there and then make him GM.
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| zoom K083 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina
More changes with Lakers. Scout Chaz Osborne is no longer part of the team. |
Say it ain't so |
the bartender? |
That is a false dirty rumor. He attended bars. He did not tend bars. |
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| Man this is some epic freaking house cleaning by this new regime. |
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NOT CHAZ
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| Who'll mix drinks now. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Man this is some epic freaking house cleaning by this new regime. |
So far the only news we've gotten is a bunch of dude's losing their jobs...
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
Your answer to number six is in the article. There is no longer another, more senior assistant gm. Jesse is now it, and while ryan is involved in two tiers of the scouting, Jesse oversees all of them. Jesse was the key family vote on the change. If he doesn't go along, no majority. There's a reason he's been inserted into the narrative and has quietly recreated where Jim was a couple decades ago vis a vis Jerry buss (now jeanie), Jerry West (now magic), and Mitch (now pelinka). |
Yea certain things can be seen between the lines. He went from the guy who got chastised for getting caught pissing outside to being portrayed as a big part of the front office.
But I'm still curious about how much they relied on Ryan and if he leaves the organization in the near future since he won't be the GM. The Kings had offered him a position, but he declined. |
That is sometimes the nature of things when family/owners are also involved in the day to day operations of a business. Jerry (Ryan's father) was less than happy with some of the things that happened in the organization such as the Jeanie and Phil pairing. I have no idea if Ryan had already considered the possibility that things might not go as expected in regards to his eventual ascension to GM of the Lakers. |
If I were Ballmer I would pry Ryan West away, have him work with Doc as long as he is there and then make him GM. |
If I was Ryan I would hold out for the Philly job, Colangelo was forced onto the 76ers because the NBA was tired of the process. If they don't make the playoffs next year he is gone. Easy situation for Ryan to step into and the stink of the process will be off him. |
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| epak wrote: | | zoom K083 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina
More changes with Lakers. Scout Chaz Osborne is no longer part of the team. |
Say it ain't so |
the bartender? |
That is a false dirty rumor. He attended bars. He did not tend bars. |
I can't believe Chaz was still cashing a paycheck post Jimbo/Mitch...
He makes a fantastic Pina Colada I am told.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | epak wrote: | | zoom K083 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina
More changes with Lakers. Scout Chaz Osborne is no longer part of the team. |
Say it ain't so |
the bartender? |
That is a false dirty rumor. He attended bars. He did not tend bars. |
I can't believe Chaz was still cashing a paycheck post Jimbo/Mitch...
He makes a fantastic Pina Colada I am told. |
Lol. In all seriousness, according to those who have interacted with him, he's a good guy and a competent one, but he was mostly in an administrative role, and has a personal the to Jim, so yeah, he was a dead man walking. The fact that they are getting around to it three months in is another sign of a poorly run transition. You purge everyone you can all at once and as early as possible.
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Lol. In all seriousness, according to those who have interacted with him, he's a good guy and a competent one, but he was mostly in an administrative role, and has a personal the to Jim, so yeah, he was a dead man walking. The fact that they are getting around to it three months in is another sign of a poorly run transition. You purge everyone you can all at once and as early as possible. |
I think it would have been too much of a distraction if everyone was fired/resigned in the middle of the season. It was already huge when jim and mitch were let go. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | epak wrote: | | zoom K083 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina
More changes with Lakers. Scout Chaz Osborne is no longer part of the team. |
Say it ain't so |
the bartender? |
That is a false dirty rumor. He attended bars. He did not tend bars. |
I can't believe Chaz was still cashing a paycheck post Jimbo/Mitch...
He makes a fantastic Pina Colada I am told. |
Lol. In all seriousness, according to those who have interacted with him, he's a good guy and a competent one, but he was mostly in an administrative role, and has a personal the to Jim, so yeah, he was a dead man walking. The fact that they are getting around to it three months in is another sign of a poorly run transition. You purge everyone you can all at once and as early as possible. |
How do we know whose decision this was and what it was based on? All it says is that he is no longer part of the team. He could have seen the shake up and decided he didn't want to do the new job they had for him. His contract could have run out and he wanted more responsibility with the changes and they couldn't hammer out a new contract that both parties felt was fair. There are a multitude of reasons he is no longer with the team and I am going to need some facts that support your assertion that it shows signs of a poorly run transition. |
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