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venturalakersfan
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| vanexelent wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | If Jackson had a jumper, he would be the #1 pick. |
Does he have the drive to develop it is the question. |
That is what the interviews will tell the FO.
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | If Jackson had a jumper, he would be the #1 pick. |
Does he have the drive to develop it is the question. |
Maybe, but I think someone like Kawhi Leonard is the exception to the rule. Even Kawhi was a good FT shooter in college. I'm a big believer in FT shooting as a sign of how good a shooter you can be. Jackson has a long way to go. |
Then maybe Fox is closer than we think
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | If Jackson had a jumper, he would be the #1 pick. |
Does he have the drive to develop it is the question. |
Maybe, but I think someone like Kawhi Leonard is the exception to the rule. Even Kawhi was a good FT shooter in college. I'm a big believer in FT shooting as a sign of how good a shooter you can be. Jackson has a long way to go. |
Then maybe Fox is closer than we think |
I'm not sold on his bball IQ but his physical gifts make him very intriguing. Interviews will tell a whole lot. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lonzo is good but the workouts will be what matters. It sounds like Pelinka will rely heavily on interviews, I like that. |
It's all just for show. Magic, Pelinka, DeAngelo, pretty much the whole organization has been to the UCLA games watching Lonzo Ball play. They know exactly what he is. |
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| People talk about Lonzo's weaknesses as if he can't improve. You're talking about a guy with elite size for the PG position, very good athleticism and length, generational bball IQ. If he improves on his weaknesses i.e. mid-range game, FT shooting, etc he is going to be an All-NBA type of player. |
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I Ball is that good, why wouldn't Boston take him at #1? |
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| cathy78 wrote: | | I Ball is that good, why wouldn't Boston take him at #1? |
The consensus is that Fultz is number 1. Also Lonzo's camp have already made it known that he wants to play for the Lakers, I can see why the Celtics would not want to draft him. |
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| One point about Ball that can make a difference is that I believe he is a good fit alongside Dlo and JC, so we can play a 3 guard rotation using Nwaba as a defensive presence when needed. I don't know about Fultz sharing the floor with Clarkson. We are not building anything around Clarkson, but it is a plus if the BPA available at #2 is a good fit. |
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I would take Fox, Jackson and Tatum before Ball. Fox has unbelievable speed, Jackson is a great athlete / solid on offense and defense, and Tatum might just have the most potential of them all.
Ball might well be too slow for the NBA. I hope his slowness against Fox in the tourney was due to unannounced injury or major fatigue, because that was embarrassing. Fox and Jackson are excellent passers as well, and DLo built his reputation his passing, but who gives a F. Dude is dopey.
We need some players who play with speed and intensity. |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | I would take Fox, Jackson and Tatum before Ball. Fox has unbelievable speed, Jackson is a great athlete / solid on offense and defense, and Tatum might just have the most potential of them all.
Ball might well be too slow for the NBA. I hope his slowness against Fox in the tourney was due to unannounced injury or major fatigue, because that was embarrassing. Fox and Jackson are excellent passers as well, and DLo built his reputation his passing, but who gives a F. Dude is dopey.
We need some players who play with speed and intensity. |
Ball is not slow man.
By the way we are not going to find a starting level PG much slower than Dlo, about anyone would be an upgrade in that aspect.
Tatum is the top prospect that I find a bit slow.
Fox and Jackson can't shoot, you put then to play alongside Julius Randle and it becomes a space nightmare.
Fultz is the most flaw-free prospect of this draft, we can find concerning red flags about any other player. |
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| I'm not the hugest Ball fan, mostly because I am in love with Fultz. I believe they will probably go Ball though. |
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Lakers should trade No. 2 pick in NBA draft to Pacers for Paul George
There are some great prospects in this year’s class, but adding the four-time All-Star would be the best move for Magic Johnson
| Quote: | | It will be hard for the Lakers to not be attracted to drafting local kid Ball, of UCLA and Big Baller Brand fame. But George is a much bigger baller. |
https://theundefeated.com/features/lakers-should-trade-second-pick-2017-nba-draft-to-pacers-for-paul-george/ |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Flatlyner wrote: | | I know I'll be in the minority, but I think Fox has star written all over him. I believe he will translate to the NBA more then Ball will and I'd strongly consider taking him at #2. Additionally, he torched Lonzo in their match up when it mattered the most. |
If he can fix that 3 point shot you might be right |
Ball had a thigh muscle tear in that one game when he was matched to Fox in the tourney. I'm not as concerned about that performance saying much about Ball's quickness as I am about Fox's average length and sub-average jumper. I sense a cautionary tale in super quick Michael Carter-Williams, at least WRT assumptions made for Fox improving. MCW is four seasons in now and remains a poor three point threat.
I guess I'm saying Lonzo Ball has played with such rare feel for the game - elite at the college level - that given the choice, I feel is the rarer stuff is the matured mind rather than the quickness. |
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| scooterp10 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lonzo is good but the workouts will be what matters. It sounds like Pelinka will rely heavily on interviews, I like that. |
It's all just for show. Magic, Pelinka, DeAngelo, pretty much the whole organization has been to the UCLA games watching Lonzo Ball play. They know exactly what he is. |
It better not be for show, that is a horrible way to operate
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| Andre2K wrote: | | cathy78 wrote: | | I Ball is that good, why wouldn't Boston take him at #1? |
The consensus is that Fultz is number 1. Also Lonzo's camp have already made it known that he wants to play for the Lakers, I can see why the Celtics would not want to draft him. |
That makes no sense, if Boston drafts him he is a Celtic.
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| pio2u wrote: | Lakers should trade No. 2 pick in NBA draft to Pacers for Paul George
There are some great prospects in this year’s class, but adding the four-time All-Star would be the best move for Magic Johnson
| Quote: | | It will be hard for the Lakers to not be attracted to drafting local kid Ball, of UCLA and Big Baller Brand fame. But George is a much bigger baller. |
https://theundefeated.com/features/lakers-should-trade-second-pick-2017-nba-draft-to-pacers-for-paul-george/ |
I doubt the second pick will ever be as good as PG, but I am not sure that should be the only consideration
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| venturalakersfan wrote: |
I doubt the second pick will ever be as good as PG, but I am not sure that should be the only consideration |
That would be my first option unless Boston pass on Fultz, then I'd keep the pick. |
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| nash wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: |
I doubt the second pick will ever be as good as PG, but I am not sure that should be the only consideration |
That would be my first option unless Boston pass on Fultz, then I'd keep the pick. |
Why would you trade away assets when PG will be available in another year?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Andre2K wrote: | | cathy78 wrote: | | I Ball is that good, why wouldn't Boston take him at #1? |
The consensus is that Fultz is number 1. Also Lonzo's camp have already made it known that he wants to play for the Lakers, I can see why the Celtics would not want to draft him. |
That makes no sense, if Boston drafts him he is a Celtic. |
Captain Obvious over here |
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| pio2u wrote: | Lakers should trade No. 2 pick in NBA draft to Pacers for Paul George
There are some great prospects in this year’s class, but adding the four-time All-Star would be the best move for Magic Johnson
| Quote: | | It will be hard for the Lakers to not be attracted to drafting local kid Ball, of UCLA and Big Baller Brand fame. But George is a much bigger baller. |
https://theundefeated.com/features/lakers-should-trade-second-pick-2017-nba-draft-to-pacers-for-paul-george/ |
i'd do that. |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | I would take Fox, Jackson and Tatum before Ball. Fox has unbelievable speed, Jackson is a great athlete / solid on offense and defense, and Tatum might just have the most potential of them all.
Ball might well be too slow for the NBA. I hope his slowness against Fox in the tourney was due to unannounced injury or major fatigue, because that was embarrassing. Fox and Jackson are excellent passers as well, and DLo built his reputation his passing, but who gives a F. Dude is dopey.
We need some players who play with speed and intensity. |
I'm with you. I keep looking what Ball will do in the NBA but I just don't see it. Elite transition passing just isn't a cornerstone talent in the NBA. Prospects like Johnson develop (see Paul George, Kwahi Leonard, Jimmy Butler), Fox (Westbrook, Wall, Rondo) and Tatum (Melo, Gay). I'm not sure what Ball translates to (Rondo with less quickness but better shooting?). |
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ball because I think there is a lot of potential for fit with the current roster. |
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JamaalWilkes wrote: | I would take Fox, Jackson and Tatum before Ball. Fox has unbelievable speed, Jackson is a great athlete / solid on offense and defense, and Tatum might just have the most potential of them all.
Ball might well be too slow for the NBA. I hope his slowness against Fox in the tourney was due to unannounced injury or major fatigue, because that was embarrassing. Fox and Jackson are excellent passers as well, and DLo built his reputation his passing, but who gives a F. Dude is dopey.
We need some players who play with speed and intensity. |
We have exactly that and his name is Jordan Clarkson. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Andre2K wrote: | | cathy78 wrote: | | I Ball is that good, why wouldn't Boston take him at #1? |
The consensus is that Fultz is number 1. Also Lonzo's camp have already made it known that he wants to play for the Lakers, I can see why the Celtics would not want to draft him. |
That makes no sense, if Boston drafts him he is a Celtic. |
What happens once his rookie contract is up? Beg him to stay? If they wanna draft him and risk losing him after 5 years, then they can go ahead. It's gonna be like PG13 all over again. LA gets free PG13 then free Ball. Sweeeet!
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