Magic & Rob (Full Video): *Focus being about Young Players and Cap to sign 2 Guys in 2018*
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Magic & Rob (Full Video): *Focus being about Young Players and Cap to sign 2 Guys in 2018*




On Lakers free agency in general:

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"Rob Pelinka's done an excellent job of working with teams and agents, selling the Laker brand, selling our philosophy of winning and excellence. Now you hear guys wanting to play for the Lakers again. You didn't hear that before. Now agents want to send their players to the Lakers."



Looking forward to 2018 FA class over 2017:

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"What we wanna do is say, look, there are free agents out there but I think all the big time free agents are going to sign back with their teams. Going into free agency period, you have to be realistic on what could happen right? We're excited about next year's class, and that we put ourselves in a position that we can maybe sign 2 guys out of next year's class. We want to build, and build, and build. We told everybody this is not a one year, two year turnaround. It will take us a couple more years and we're gonna stick to that."



Focus being about the young players:

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Rob:

"One of the other things, internally we have a system of excellence in a platform for our young players to develop. If you look at our young core in D'Angelo, Larry, Julius, Brandon, Zubac, and another young player in our 2nd pick and 28th pick, we've got to do an amazing job building the right incubator, the right system, and Luke has done a good job of building our young players, so a lot of our focus is on that. We have a chessboard of scenarios where there is a heavy, heavy class of free agents coming in 2018 that everybody knows about so that's got to be the focus. If there's a perfect player that presents itself in 2017, of course we will look at it, but we want to keep a healthy cap and have a system in place where our young players can become the best versions of themselves and maximize their God given gifts."

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject:

Thanks mate. Gonna watch it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject:

Sounds like management actually has a plan now.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject:

Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject:

It seems like we are not moving a core piece for an all star this season, but maybe sending some assets alongside a bad contract to free some capspace.

In this case I think Julius and Clarkson are the young players with the greater possibility to go.

Let's see how the new front office act, I'm excited about the possibility to draft a PG to play alongside Dlo, I'm excited to see how it work.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:50 pm    Post subject:

chekmatex4 wrote:
Sounds like management actually has a plan now.


To be fair, it looks like what Jim and Mitch were doing. Magic just happens to be more vocal about it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:50 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
It seems like we are not moving a core piece for an all star this season, but maybe sending some assets alongside a bad contract to free some capspace.

In this case I think Julius and Clarkson are the young players with the greater possibility to go.

Let's see how the new front office act, I'm excited about the possibility to draft a PG to play alongside Dlo, I'm excited to see how it work.


To dump salary? That would be extremely stupid.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject:

Who do you guys like for a one year overpay deal?

CANDIDATES =
* JJ REDICK
* TIM HARDAWAY JR
* NICK YOUNG
* IAN CLARK
* OMRI CASSPI
* ERSAL ILLYASOVA
* THABO SEFOLOSHA
* NKOLA MIROTIC
* CHRIS BOSH
* KYLE KORVER
* TYLER ENNIS
* THOMAS ROBINSON
* LARRY SANDERS
* DION WAITERS
* SHABAZZ MUHAMMAD
* JUSTIN HOLIDAY
* RUDY GAY
* JONATHON SIMMONS
* PAU GASOL
* PATTY MILLS
* PJ TUCKER
* BOJAN BOGDANOVIC


I like Hardaway Jr best.

Maybe give Hardaway Jr 17-20m for a one year deal and then sign ian clark or Justin holiday to a one year deal too?

PG: Ball / Clarkson
SG: Russell / Justin Holiday
SF: Ingram / Hardaway Jr
PF: Randle / Deng
C: Zubac / Nance
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
chekmatex4 wrote:
Sounds like management actually has a plan now.


To be fair, it looks like what Jim and Mitch were doing. Magic just happens to be more vocal about it.
Jim and Mitch trying to save cap space? I don't think so. Please refer to Mozgov and Deng contracts.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject:

No one, why bring in someone who would only take playing time away from our young players if you don't plan on keeping them?
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject:

chekmatex4 wrote:
epak wrote:
chekmatex4 wrote:
Sounds like management actually has a plan now.


To be fair, it looks like what Jim and Mitch were doing. Magic just happens to be more vocal about it.
Jim and Mitch trying to save cap space? I don't think so. Please refer to Mozgov and Deng contracts.


And don't be surprised if that is what 2018 looks like.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


We have 20-25m in cap space this year right?

Use it only on one year deals.

14m comes off with Black and Brewer

So that's 34-39m

Stretch Moz and Deng and save about 15-18m combined

49-52m+ in cap space for 2018 Summer
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject:

iimarshon wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


We have 20-25m in cap space this year right?

Use it only on one year deals.

14m comes off with Black and Brewer

So that's 34-39m

Stretch Moz and Deng and save about 15-18m combined

49-52m+ in cap space for 2018 Summer


Isn't Randle due for a big contract? Is that 2018? So guessing he won't be resigned then?
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject:

iimarshon wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


We have 20-25m in cap space this year right?

Use it only on one year deals.

14m comes off with Black and Brewer

So that's 34-39m

Stretch Moz and Deng and save about 15-18m combined

49-52m+ in cap space for 2018 Summer


That number is a little high, and it includes not having Black.

Stretching Deng would cost $7.3 mil for 5 years and stretching Mozgov would cost $6.5 mil for 5 years. If the cap estimate drops, as it has for next season, that too would eat up cap space.

If we are going to dump Mozgov and/or Deng, use future picks to do so, not player assets. That would be extremely wasteful.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Nashlight wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


We have 20-25m in cap space this year right?

Use it only on one year deals.

14m comes off with Black and Brewer

So that's 34-39m

Stretch Moz and Deng and save about 15-18m combined

49-52m+ in cap space for 2018 Summer


Isn't Randle due for a big contract? Is that 2018? So guessing he won't be resigned then?


He has a 12 million dollar caphold. Plus, we would need about 60 million dollars just to sign two max free agents.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Nashlight wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


We have 20-25m in cap space this year right?

Use it only on one year deals.

14m comes off with Black and Brewer

So that's 34-39m

Stretch Moz and Deng and save about 15-18m combined

49-52m+ in cap space for 2018 Summer


Isn't Randle due for a big contract? Is that 2018? So guessing he won't be resigned then?


We would only have his cap hold, sign the FA before we sign him.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject:

Wildchild027 wrote:
Nashlight wrote:
iimarshon wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


We have 20-25m in cap space this year right?

Use it only on one year deals.

14m comes off with Black and Brewer

So that's 34-39m

Stretch Moz and Deng and save about 15-18m combined

49-52m+ in cap space for 2018 Summer


Isn't Randle due for a big contract? Is that 2018? So guessing he won't be resigned then?


He has a 12 million dollar caphold. Plus, we would need about 60 million dollars just to sign two max free agents.


That would depend on the FA, their salary could be anywhere between 25% of the cap and 35%.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject:

The NBA projects the 2018 salary cap to be set at $103 million. With Randle's cap hold, we have about $76million in salary on the books. However, this does not count the contract of whoever we pick at #2, which would be another $5 million or so. This also doesn't count whoever we draft at #28.

Our cap number going into the 2018-2019 season is likely about $81 million (assuming no salary for the 28th pick), or only $22 million in cap space. A max slot (for someone like Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins) is $30 million. Thus, two max slots would require about $60 million in cap space.

For us to get to $60 million in cap space, we would need another $38 million in space freed up. In other words, assuming we want to keep Zubac/Nance/#2 pick/Randle/Ingram, the only way to get there would be to trade Mozgov, Deng and Clarkson (who, combined, will make about $46.5 million in 2018-2019).

Accordingly, if Magic is going to be kept at his word, my guess is that we try to trade either/both Mozgov and Deng using Clarkson, Nance and the #28 pick (or whoever we take with that pick) as sweetners. As options, the Lakers could also stretch one or both of Mozgov and Deng, and release their rights to Randle.

For example, a trade of Mozgov/Clarkson/#28 pick for Brook Lopez (an expiring contract) would save us $28.5 million alone (assuming we waive any bird rights for Lopez). After that, you stretch Loul Deng in 2018, reducing his salary to around $7.3 million, you save about $10.7 million, thereby getting us to about $39.2 million in savings, or a total of $61.2 million in cap space.

We can get there, but it will take something like the above to do so.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
The NBA projects the 2018 salary cap to be set at $103 million. With Randle's cap hold, we have about $76million in salary on the books. However, this does not count the contract of whoever we pick at #2, which would be another $5 million or so. This also doesn't count whoever we draft at #28.

Our cap number going into the 2018-2019 season is likely about $81 million (assuming no salary for the 28th pick), or only $22 million in cap space. A max slot (for someone like Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins) is $30 million. Thus, two max slots would require about $60 million in cap space.

For us to get to $60 million in cap space, we would need another $38 million in space freed up. In other words, assuming we want to keep Zubac/Nance/#2 pick/Randle/Ingram, the only way to get there would be to trade Mozgov, Deng and Clarkson (who, combined, will make about $46.5 million in 2018-2019).

Accordingly, if Magic is going to be kept at his word, my guess is that we try to trade either/both Mozgov and Deng using Clarkson, Nance and the #28 pick (or whoever we take with that pick) as sweetners. As options, the Lakers could also stretch one or both of Mozgov and Deng, and release their rights to Randle.

For example, a trade of Mozgov/Clarkson/#28 pick for Brook Lopez (an expiring contract) would save us $28.5 million alone (assuming we waive any bird rights for Lopez). After that, you stretch Loul Deng in 2018, reducing his salary to around $7.3 million, you save about $10.7 million, thereby getting us to about $39.2 million in savings, or a total of $61.2 million in cap space.

We can get there, but it will take something like the above to do so.


The likelihood of signing 2 max free agents is so low, it's barely worth doing the math for.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject:

Getting the necessary cap room next season will not be difficult. Don't expect us to sign anyone beyond a one-year deal this summer. Brewer and Black will be off the books next summer, and we'd certainly be open to dealing Nance, Clarkson, #28 or even Russell in order to get rid of Mozgov/Deng and open up the cap space needed to add players like George and Westbrook.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject:

Big Shot Bob wrote:
Getting the necessary cap room next season will not be difficult. Don't expect us to sign anyone beyond a one-year deal this summer. Brewer and Black will be off the books next summer, and we'd certainly be open to dealing Nance, Clarkson, #28 or even Russell in order to get rid of Mozgov/Deng and open up the cap space needed to add players like George and Westbrook.


The Lakers aren't going to trade any of our young players (other than maybe Clarkson) just for the chance at signing some players in 2018. It's not going to be that easy.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

chekmatex4 wrote:
epak wrote:
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Sounds like management actually has a plan now.


To be fair, it looks like what Jim and Mitch were doing. Magic just happens to be more vocal about it.
Jim and Mitch trying to save cap space? I don't think so. Please refer to Mozgov and Deng contracts.



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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject:

In that interview they said all the right things and seemed committed to the young core. Hopefully that holds true.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Getting the cap space to sign two FAs in 2018 would be very difficult.


Not if the plan is to trade Moz and Deng for Melo and Brook while attaching disposable assets like 28, randle, or JC
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Those 2 guys being Randle and Zubac...

There is no cap space to sign anyone, let alone paul george. That's why we need to trade for him
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