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MJST
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| awntawn wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
Not to mention how criminally underrated Brook Lopez is |
It's akin to our 2013 season where we had Jodie, Nick, Pau Gasol.
We won 27 games that season and were one of the most fun to watch teams in the league. Where we struggled obviously was defensively but offensively and pace wise we were extremely fun to watch.
I can see the same kind of season taking place. But with more wins, because had we continued the progress the next season we probably would have won somewhere between 32-36 games if we'd kept progressing, though without Pau it's likely we'd have won maybe 32, as he was a big reason we won the season prior.
This season is essentially if we went into that next season with Pau (because of Lopez) who will frustrate people for the same reasons on defense, while offensively being a presence.
So best case scenario I can see us getting this season record wise is 35 wins, anything over that is a welcome overachievement.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
We definitely don't have pretty much the same roster though. |
That's true, although I wouldn't say we're significantly better around the pg position than we were last year, we're definitely better. I just listed those examples to show the sort of difference an unselfish great passing pg can have in his rookie year. Both Kidd and CP3's stats those seasons should fall in line with what we expect out of Zo in his first year as well.
Now the question is whether Zo can actually deliver in his first year. His elite passing and high IQ seem to indicate that he will be one of those guys who reaches his full potential fairly quickly(2-3 years maybe) and so I would put the odds on him being our best rookie in a LONG time pretty high. I admittedly haven't followed summer league before the last 2 years, but does anyone remember other 19 yo rookies impressing this much in sl and then NOT being good? I honestly can't think of one. |
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Old Fat Lever & Dan Dickau. |
Shoutout to Fat Lever, my favorite player no one has ever heard of. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
We definitely don't have pretty much the same roster though. |
Which is great, because we have an even better roster.
46-49 wins this season. 
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nash
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| awntawn wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
Not to mention how criminally underrated Brook Lopez is |
No doubt, he is our best center since Gasol.
I expect us to have a better record under Lonzo Ball lead.
Lopez is so much better than Roy/Mozgov and it is reasonable to expect Julius/Ingram/Nance are going to be at least a little bit better than last season. I don't know if KCP can be as effective as Lou/Nick, but at least he is a two way player that will have a positive impact on defense.
I like our team better than last season and I'll not underestimate Lonzo impact.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lebrons wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: |
Old Fat Lever & Dan Dickau. |
Shoutout to Fat Lever, my favorite player no one has ever heard of. |
Fat was Mr. Triple Double with world class defense in a 6'0" (listed as 6'3") body. I LOVED Fat Lever (except when he played the Lakers).
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
I had it opened on YouTube, then I read the comments as the Napa Auto Parts commercial played and they seemed to be speaking negatively about Anthony, who does not consider defense when evaluating talent, so I turned it off.
Anything good? |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
I had it opened on YouTube, then I read the comments as the Napa Auto Parts commercial played and they seemed to be speaking negatively about Anthony, who does not consider defense when evaluating talent, so I turned it off.
Anything good? |
Locked on Lakers is hit/miss with me but it was an excellent pod with one of the Denver Nuggets SB Nation guys and they talk in-depth about Lonzo for a long time and compare his impact to Jokic, as well as come to a really interesting conclusion about a certain recent trade and how it potentially affected Lonzo's future. It is a very thoughtful pod and recommended listening for any Lonzo fan!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
Good listen thanks. Didn't expect Nuggets talk though  |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks guys. Currently watching Blade Runner. Will listen when it ends. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
Good listen thanks. Didn't expect Nuggets talk though |
I thought it was incorporated very well though! I had actually been wondering if Lonzo would shape up similar to a Jokic-type of impact player. Interesting to hear from a Denver guy who sees the similarity here too. Just a lot of cool discussion here |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
I had it opened on YouTube, then I read the comments as the Napa Auto Parts commercial played and they seemed to be speaking negatively about Anthony, who does not consider defense when evaluating talent, so I turned it off.
Anything good? |
Locked on Lakers is hit/miss with me but it was an excellent pod with one of the Denver Nuggets SB Nation guys and they talk in-depth about Lonzo for a long time and compare his impact to Jokic, as well as come to a really interesting conclusion about a certain recent trade and how it potentially affected Lonzo's future. It is a very thoughtful pod and recommended listening for any Lonzo fan! |
I'll give it a listen broheemith |
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| I blame JSLF |
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If only there was more thorough & accessible Lakers fan content out there! |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | The latest Locked on Lakers episode is an awesome listen, recommended! |
Did anyone listen? Lol |
Good listen thanks. Didn't expect Nuggets talk though |
I thought it was incorporated very well though! I had actually been wondering if Lonzo would shape up similar to a Jokic-type of impact player. Interesting to hear from a Denver guy who sees the similarity here too. Just a lot of cool discussion here |
Good Jokic comparison.
Bad pity party for DLo.
Ugly Brooklyn roster love.
Thanks. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| nash wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
Not to mention how criminally underrated Brook Lopez is |
No doubt, he is our best center since Gasol.
I expect us to have a better record under Lonzo Ball lead.
Lopez is so much better than Roy/Mozgov and it is reasonable to expect Julius/Ingram/Nance are going to be at least a little bit better than last season. I don't know if KCP can be as effective as Lou/Nick, but at least he is a two way player that will have a positive impact on defense.
I like our team better than last season and I'll not underestimate Lonzo impact. |
I think KCP is absolutely an upgrade at the 2. With Lonzo at the other guard position it's important to have a lock down defender next him. Lonzo is a very good off ball defender so KCP will be asked to take the primary ball handler, run the wings and finish open looks.
Swaggy and Lou are no where near the defender KCP is. With KCP we have someone to effectively take attack the Westbrooks and Hardens from the defensive end. That alone nullifies any slight advantage they have on the offensive end. |
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Flashback: Ball and Kuzma's Pac-12 Shootout
| Quote: | Six months before leading the Lakers to the 2017 Summer League championship, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma went head-to-head in a battle between First Team All-Pac-12 selections.
Ball’s fourth-ranked UCLA Bruins entered Salt Lake City with a 17-1 record, but Kuzma and the Utes (12-4) had plenty of reason to expect an upset. |
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/170728-lonzo-ball-kyle-kuzma?cid=tw |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| scooterp10 wrote: | | nash wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
Not to mention how criminally underrated Brook Lopez is |
No doubt, he is our best center since Gasol.
I expect us to have a better record under Lonzo Ball lead.
Lopez is so much better than Roy/Mozgov and it is reasonable to expect Julius/Ingram/Nance are going to be at least a little bit better than last season. I don't know if KCP can be as effective as Lou/Nick, but at least he is a two way player that will have a positive impact on defense.
I like our team better than last season and I'll not underestimate Lonzo impact. |
I think KCP is absolutely an upgrade at the 2. With Lonzo at the other guard position it's important to have a lock down defender next him. Lonzo is a very good off ball defender so KCP will be asked to take the primary ball handler, run the wings and finish open looks.
Swaggy and Lou are no where near the defender KCP is. With KCP we have someone to effectively take attack the Westbrooks and Hardens from the defensive end. That alone nullifies any slight advantage they have on the offensive end. |
In terms of fit and defensive impact there is no doubt about that, it is just that Lou is one of the best offensive SG of this league, it is not easy to replace his offensive output while Young was our best 3pt shooter.
I still think we are better with Pope because all the guards we let go had an atrocious impact on defense taking away much of theirs offensive production. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
Those numbers speak to a lot of factors, the primary one, which Ball has demonstrated a sustained ability to do, is the ability of a multi-talented, unselfish player to change the not the roster, but how the roster plays.
We saw how the guys played in winning the SL championship. No one who saw the way they played without Ball, can deny that they, though having talent themselves, played the way the architect, Ball, initiated. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| scooterp10 wrote: | | nash wrote: | | awntawn wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | Interesting little tidbits abou Lonzo's potential rookie year:
Mavericks year before Jason Kidd: 13-69
Mavericks with rookie Jason Kidd: 36-46(pretty much the same roster)
Hornets year before CP3: 18-64
Hornets with rookie CP3: 38-44(pretty much the same roster)
If Lonzo's the real deal, we might just get that 8th seed. |
Not to mention how criminally underrated Brook Lopez is |
No doubt, he is our best center since Gasol.
I expect us to have a better record under Lonzo Ball lead.
Lopez is so much better than Roy/Mozgov and it is reasonable to expect Julius/Ingram/Nance are going to be at least a little bit better than last season. I don't know if KCP can be as effective as Lou/Nick, but at least he is a two way player that will have a positive impact on defense.
I like our team better than last season and I'll not underestimate Lonzo impact. |
I think KCP is absolutely an upgrade at the 2. With Lonzo at the other guard position it's important to have a lock down defender next him. Lonzo is a very good off ball defender so KCP will be asked to take the primary ball handler, run the wings and finish open looks.
Swaggy and Lou are no where near the defender KCP is. With KCP we have someone to effectively take attack the Westbrooks and Hardens from the defensive end. That alone nullifies any slight advantage they have on the offensive end. |
We're better at:
Center- Brooke>Mozgov
Point Guard- Ball>Russell
Off Guard- KCP> Young or Williams (just ask a simple question to confirm this: who would offer either Young or Williams an 80mil contract?)
We're also better at the 3 & 4 if only because our kids are becoming men.
I like the direction in which we're going. It'll get even better when can shred the Deng contract. |
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Take us to a 16 game turn around.
Possible playoffs with that. |
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Am I the only one who thinks that a 35 win season, despite the massive upgrades with the rest of the Western Conference, is a tremendously successful season?
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