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venturalakersfan
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Agree, when I say that I preferred Tatum, it doesn’t mean I am bummed that we got Lonzo. I just saw more potential Kobe in Tatum.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | Most people had one of the 4 guys as top pick:
Fultz, Lonzo, JJ, Tatum
And some sick people had Fox there. 
Tatum is doing nice in Boston, but I'm glad we got Lonzo as well. |
At this very moment if I'm drafting for a good team I take Tatum then Lonzo.
If I'm drafting for a bad team I take Lonzo then Tatum. I think they made right choice.
When its all said and done I still believe Lonzo will be the top off the class. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Dunc'd On did their annual Top 10 Young Players in the NBA last week....none of our guys made the top 10 list or honorable mention. It is limited to guys 23 and under. The only rookies in the Top 10 (which they consider project to be future all-star talent) was Simmons, Tatum, Dennis Smith Jr., Fultz and Mitchell.
Fox was in Honorable Mention (which they consider has shown fringe future all-star talent).
The last category is Players to Watch (which they consider do not currently project to be future all-stars, but have an outside chance at developing into future All Star). We had 4 guys in that category in the order of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and Randle. Markkanen was also a rookie in this category.
Last year, DLo was in Honorable Mention, and Ingram and Randle were in Players to Watch. |
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GoldenThroat
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I look forward to giving Danny Leroux (bleep) about De'Aaron Fox being on his list for years to come. Last year, Nate was on our show saying he had Ingram on the same level as Juancho Hernangomez and Thon Maker.
When I think your Brandon Ingram take grossly underrates him, it might be time to reconsider it.  |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | I look forward to giving Danny Leroux (bleep) about De'Aaron Fox being on his list for years to come. Last year, Nate was on our show saying he had Ingram on the same level as Juancho Hernangomez and Thon Maker.
When I think your Brandon Ingram take grossly underrates him, it might be time to reconsider it. |
Nate used to be very very low on Ingram....but I think he is coming around slowly on him. If I recall, he was all in on Brown over Ingram in that draft. I think they are smart....I respect them and their opinions....but I only agree with them 60ish% of the time.
Do not quote me on this, but I think this year pre-draft....they were Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr., Ball, Tatum...
btw, the Ode to Oden (Cole Zwicker and Sean ?) guys re did their 2016 draft last week....and they all still had Ingram firmly as the #2....with a bit of separation behind #1 (Simmons) and ahead of #3.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Christopher Walken wrote: | Simmons had a year of NBA coaching, diet, training and mentorship.
It's not right imho that he's listed a "rookie".
Same goes for B Griffin too. |
Eh. Lots of guys come into the league and do great as rookies, and there have been guys injured as rookies who didn't seem to get much benefit from that "year of NBA coaching, diet, training and mentorship." Looking at you Nerlens Noel.
I'd actually go the other way, and include as rookies anyone who was limited to 5 or less games their first year because of injuries. |
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Lakers4Life33
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | I look forward to giving Danny Leroux (bleep) about De'Aaron Fox being on his list for years to come. Last year, Nate was on our show saying he had Ingram on the same level as Juancho Hernangomez and Thon Maker.
When I think your Brandon Ingram take grossly underrates him, it might be time to reconsider it. |
I love listening to these guys but Danny had OG Anuoby on his honorable mention list over Zo, Kuzma, and Ingram  |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | I look forward to giving Danny Leroux (bleep) about De'Aaron Fox being on his list for years to come. Last year, Nate was on our show saying he had Ingram on the same level as Juancho Hernangomez and Thon Maker.
When I think your Brandon Ingram take grossly underrates him, it might be time to reconsider it. |
I know they have a wide base of knowledge but I deliberately don't listen to their podcast because I don't always think it's fair analysis.
Low on the list with a methodology? Yeah sure. Not on the list at all? Nope.
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | Christopher Walken wrote: | Simmons had a year of NBA coaching, diet, training and mentorship.
It's not right imho that he's listed a "rookie".
Same goes for B Griffin too. |
Same as Randle... Oh wait I guess playing 14 minutes more than these guys makes a world of difference. |
Once you collect an NBA check, your rookie season has begun. I don't know why the NBA does this crap.
Mitchell is the ROY right now. Simmons is having a great sophomore season. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | Christopher Walken wrote: | Simmons had a year of NBA coaching, diet, training and mentorship.
It's not right imho that he's listed a "rookie".
Same goes for B Griffin too. |
Same as Randle... Oh wait I guess playing 14 minutes more than these guys makes a world of difference. |
Once you collect an NBA check, your rookie season has begun. I don't know why the NBA does this crap.
Mitchell is the ROY right now. Simmons is having a great sophomore season. |
I'm not a fan of red-shirt rookies either. :shrug: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | I look forward to giving Danny Leroux (bleep) about De'Aaron Fox being on his list for years to come. Last year, Nate was on our show saying he had Ingram on the same level as Juancho Hernangomez and Thon Maker.
When I think your Brandon Ingram take grossly underrates him, it might be time to reconsider it. |
I know they have a wide base of knowledge but I deliberately don't listen to their podcast because I don't always think it's fair analysis.
Low on the list with a methodology? Yeah sure. Not on the list at all? Nope. |
Yeah someone tweeted listen to the pod to hear their explaination why no Lakers made the lisit. I said no thank you. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Lakers4Life33 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | I look forward to giving Danny Leroux (bleep) about De'Aaron Fox being on his list for years to come. Last year, Nate was on our show saying he had Ingram on the same level as Juancho Hernangomez and Thon Maker.
When I think your Brandon Ingram take grossly underrates him, it might be time to reconsider it. |
I love listening to these guys but Danny had OG Anuoby on his honorable mention list over Zo, Kuzma, and Ingram |
We're all right and wrong about a lot of things when it comes to the young prospects, but this is the type of take that makes me question how well someone understands how the game works. OG Anunoby - who I do like - has the responsibility of playing solid perimeter defense and finishing the most obvious (12.7 USG%) of shots. He's filled that role well, but this is a completely different situation from a lot of young around the league who bear a much greater burden.
Maybe he develops into more, but saying that you have him at that level after what we've seen of him would be like saying that Nance is our best young player. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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I don't know, man, this kid has got it. I don't know how to quantify it.
I don't know, maybe I'm high on this Kobe moment. |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo has officially arrived. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Lonzo has officially arrived. |
U jinxed him.
 Good game. Tough loss  |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Lonzo has officially arrived. |
U jinxed him.
Good game. Tough loss |
Wasn’t his fault, he was aggressive.
Maybe Luke should stop calling for switches on every (bleep) defensive possession  |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ball showing balls. nice OT run |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo's shooting percentages continue to trend up. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Like this game by Zo. Aggressive in OT. Even had a pull up mid J
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| Practice wrote: | | Lonzo's shooting percentages continue to trend up. |
You know it! |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| It--finally, for real this time--feels like we're just a season away. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| He needs to shoot more pull up mid rangers. That one in OT was perfect form. Didn't expect that. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Very good game. Even the last drive was the right decision, West just made a good block. He is comfortable with the speed of the NBA game now. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Practice wrote: | | Lonzo's shooting percentages continue to trend up. |
Almost like people predicted this during the middle of his miserable shooting performances in October/November... |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| He carried them offensively in OT, I don't mind him taking that last shot. He needed to go fast and that's what he did. West made a great play. |
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