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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:15 am    Post subject:

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Which is a group of players to you guys:

Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre

or

Ball/PG13/Ingram/Kuzma

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I'm not sure what you mean. Wall and Beal is very good players but for some reason their chemistry isn't there. I don't know about the other wiz players. As far as our guys. I think Kuzma would be James Harden good at scoring but I don't think he'll ever be a great defender. Ingram should be a second scorer I think at the PG level.
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jg77 wrote:
Which is a group of players to you guys:

Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre

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Ball/PG13/Ingram/Kuzma

can include projections

That's close, and I don't know whether to be more concerned about Wall's injuries at his age or Lonzo's injuries at his. I expect BI to be better than Oubre, and PG13's defense puts him ahead of Beal for me regardless of age difference, but I'd be surprised if Kuzma's offense reaches a high enough level to offset Porter's superior two-way play, so a lot of it comes down to Ball's potential versus Wall's production.

It's close, but I lean Lakers because of the still foggy upside of BI and Ball.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
jg77 wrote:
Which is a group of players to you guys:

Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre

or

Ball/PG13/Ingram/Kuzma

can include projections


I'm not sure what you mean. Wall and Beal is very good players but for some reason their chemistry isn't there. I don't know about the other wiz players. As far as our guys. I think Kuzma would be James Harden good at scoring but I don't think he'll ever be a great defender. Ingram should be a second scorer I think at the PG level.


I was trying to compare our talent to a team that already had some developed pieces to see where how'd we stack up if PG13 comes here. I thought the Wizards were a reasonable team to compare to.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:24 am    Post subject:

I'm on Car54's side with this one. That said, he's still a kid so I'm not overly concerned yet.

What I am concerned about is how often he's injured.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
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Y'all are ridiculous.

Kid needs a creative outlet while he's hurt. He could be doing much less productive things than music. It's good for the soul.


Yea.. they're basically saying he shouldn't have any interests outside of sports..no hobbies.. that's the most ridiculous line of thinking that gets pinned on athletes man..they're just people, with a job. It probably takes Zo an hour to write one of those simpleton rap songs.. Fans thinking they know how athletes allocate their hours, inside or outside of the gym, is the most hilarious thing to me. We have no idea what these guys do with their time in or out of the gym...to assume he has poor work ethic is a wild assumption


Rap albums are not what I consider hobbies. I've done one and been involved in making others. It's work and time consuming. I'm oil with him doing other things but when the job that afforded you the opportunity to make that album is suffering I have a problem with it. (bleep) your brand! The brand he should be worried about is the one that's paying him.

How is that the case?


It's suffering because he's injured and he hasn't shot well until weeks before the injury.
How are his injury and shooting related to his musical pursuits?


Focus

His injury is due to lack of focus caused by his musical pursuits?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject:

JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Roon wrote:
Y'all are ridiculous.

Kid needs a creative outlet while he's hurt. He could be doing much less productive things than music. It's good for the soul.


Yea.. they're basically saying he shouldn't have any interests outside of sports..no hobbies.. that's the most ridiculous line of thinking that gets pinned on athletes man..they're just people, with a job. It probably takes Zo an hour to write one of those simpleton rap songs.. Fans thinking they know how athletes allocate their hours, inside or outside of the gym, is the most hilarious thing to me. We have no idea what these guys do with their time in or out of the gym...to assume he has poor work ethic is a wild assumption


Rap albums are not what I consider hobbies. I've done one and been involved in making others. It's work and time consuming. I'm oil with him doing other things but when the job that afforded you the opportunity to make that album is suffering I have a problem with it. (bleep) your brand! The brand he should be worried about is the one that's paying him.

How is that the case?


It's suffering because he's injured and he hasn't shot well until weeks before the injury.
How are his injury and shooting related to his musical pursuits?


Focus

His injury is due to lack of focus caused by his musical pursuits?


It's possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Roon wrote:
Y'all are ridiculous.

Kid needs a creative outlet while he's hurt. He could be doing much less productive things than music. It's good for the soul.


Yea.. they're basically saying he shouldn't have any interests outside of sports..no hobbies.. that's the most ridiculous line of thinking that gets pinned on athletes man..they're just people, with a job. It probably takes Zo an hour to write one of those simpleton rap songs.. Fans thinking they know how athletes allocate their hours, inside or outside of the gym, is the most hilarious thing to me. We have no idea what these guys do with their time in or out of the gym...to assume he has poor work ethic is a wild assumption


Rap albums are not what I consider hobbies. I've done one and been involved in making others. It's work and time consuming. I'm oil with him doing other things but when the job that afforded you the opportunity to make that album is suffering I have a problem with it. (bleep) your brand! The brand he should be worried about is the one that's paying him.

How is that the case?


It's suffering because he's injured and he hasn't shot well until weeks before the injury.
How are his injury and shooting related to his musical pursuits?


Focus

His injury is due to lack of focus caused by his musical pursuits?


It's possible.
Lot's of things are possible.
Is Lonzo Ball's current injury due to his interest in music?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject:

Maybe. It's not inconceivable that there exists a world in which Lonzo spends 20-30 hours a week on his musical pursuits, hours that were he not so invested in creating (poor) rap albums might otherwise be spent in the weight room, hours spent in the weight room potentially strengthening the relevant muscles to the extent that he would not have sustained the injury.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Roon wrote:
Y'all are ridiculous.

Kid needs a creative outlet while he's hurt. He could be doing much less productive things than music. It's good for the soul.


Yea.. they're basically saying he shouldn't have any interests outside of sports..no hobbies.. that's the most ridiculous line of thinking that gets pinned on athletes man..they're just people, with a job. It probably takes Zo an hour to write one of those simpleton rap songs.. Fans thinking they know how athletes allocate their hours, inside or outside of the gym, is the most hilarious thing to me. We have no idea what these guys do with their time in or out of the gym...to assume he has poor work ethic is a wild assumption


Rap albums are not what I consider hobbies. I've done one and been involved in making others. It's work and time consuming. I'm oil with him doing other things but when the job that afforded you the opportunity to make that album is suffering I have a problem with it. (bleep) your brand! The brand he should be worried about is the one that's paying him.

How is that the case?


It's suffering because he's injured and he hasn't shot well until weeks before the injury.
How are his injury and shooting related to his musical pursuits?


Focus

His injury is due to lack of focus caused by his musical pursuits?


It's possible.


Stop defending the (bleep). You think he started working on the album when it got injured? He been working on it. Like I said FOCUS
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:15 am    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
Maybe. It's not inconceivable that there exists a world in which Lonzo spends 20-30 hours a week on his musical pursuits, hours that were he not so invested in creating (poor) rap albums might otherwise be spent in the weight room, hours spent in the weight room potentially strengthening the relevant muscles to the extent that he would not have sustained the injury.


Agreed
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Car54 wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Roon wrote:
Y'all are ridiculous.

Kid needs a creative outlet while he's hurt. He could be doing much less productive things than music. It's good for the soul.


Yea.. they're basically saying he shouldn't have any interests outside of sports..no hobbies.. that's the most ridiculous line of thinking that gets pinned on athletes man..they're just people, with a job. It probably takes Zo an hour to write one of those simpleton rap songs.. Fans thinking they know how athletes allocate their hours, inside or outside of the gym, is the most hilarious thing to me. We have no idea what these guys do with their time in or out of the gym...to assume he has poor work ethic is a wild assumption


Rap albums are not what I consider hobbies. I've done one and been involved in making others. It's work and time consuming. I'm oil with him doing other things but when the job that afforded you the opportunity to make that album is suffering I have a problem with it. (bleep) your brand! The brand he should be worried about is the one that's paying him.

How is that the case?


It's suffering because he's injured and he hasn't shot well until weeks before the injury.
How are his injury and shooting related to his musical pursuits?


Focus

His injury is due to lack of focus caused by his musical pursuits?


It's possible.


Stop defending the (bleep). You think he started working on the album when it got injured? He been working on it. Like I said FOCUS


Not everyone can be Kobe. That said, I do worry about the unnecessary distractions swirling around the Ball family.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:51 am    Post subject:

Basketball > Brand.

But I worry Brand > Basketball right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject:

The NBA goes away for a week and this is what happens when it's gone. Thank god its coming back this weekend. We've proven in this thread that we can't function rationally when we're unsupervised.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Basketball > Brand.

But I worry Brand > Basketball right now.


I don't have a problem with that. Take a look at RG3's career (weird comparison I know) he decided to put his brand/popularity first and capitalize on it. His career ended prematurely because of the injuries but luckily he was smart enough to cash in while he was on top. Lonzo's doing the right thing with cashing in while he can.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:01 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
Maybe. It's not inconceivable that there exists a world in which Lonzo spends 20-30 hours a week on his musical pursuits, hours that were he not so invested in creating (poor) rap albums might otherwise be spent in the weight room, hours spent in the weight room potentially strengthening the relevant muscles to the extent that he would not have sustained the injury.


Agreed


Diminished returns. Lonzo is working out with the team and im sure he does his own workouts. Sometimes you have to step away from the game and breathe. If creating music, no matter how bad or good is his outlet give it to him. some people man.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Basketball > Brand.

But I worry Brand > Basketball right now.


I don't have a problem with that. Take a look at RG3's career (weird comparison I know) he decided to put his brand/popularity first and capitalize on it. His career ended prematurely because of the injuries but luckily he was smart enough to cash in while he was on top. Lonzo's doing the right thing with cashing in while he can.


Well, apparently he's no longer with his baby momma too right? So there goes a healthy chunk of his earnings too.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Basketball > Brand.

But I worry Brand > Basketball right now.


I don't have a problem with that. Take a look at RG3's career (weird comparison I know) he decided to put his brand/popularity first and capitalize on it. His career ended prematurely because of the injuries but luckily he was smart enough to cash in while he was on top. Lonzo's doing the right thing with cashing in while he can.


Well, apparently he's no longer with his baby momma too right? So there goes a healthy chunk of his earnings too.


Smh not too smart I see.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Basketball > Brand.

But I worry Brand > Basketball right now.


I don't have a problem with that. Take a look at RG3's career (weird comparison I know) he decided to put his brand/popularity first and capitalize on it. His career ended prematurely because of the injuries but luckily he was smart enough to cash in while he was on top. Lonzo's doing the right thing with cashing in while he can.


Well, apparently he's no longer with his baby momma too right? So there goes a healthy chunk of his earnings too.


He isn't? Lol wow.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Basketball > Brand.

But I worry Brand > Basketball right now.


I don't have a problem with that. Take a look at RG3's career (weird comparison I know) he decided to put his brand/popularity first and capitalize on it. His career ended prematurely because of the injuries but luckily he was smart enough to cash in while he was on top. Lonzo's doing the right thing with cashing in while he can.


Well, apparently he's no longer with his baby momma too right? So there goes a healthy chunk of his earnings too.


He isn't? Lol wow.


Yeah. He scrubbed all his photos of her from IG, which in 2018, is tantamount to a divorce petition.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject:

So it isn't his kid?
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So it isn't his kid?


I think they are talking about RG3.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject:

PHILosophize wrote:
Maybe. It's not inconceivable that there exists a world in which Lonzo spends 20-30 hours a week on his musical pursuits, hours that were he not so invested in creating (poor) rap albums might otherwise be spent in the weight room, hours spent in the weight room potentially strengthening the relevant muscles to the extent that he would not have sustained the injury.


3-4 extra hours a day of weight training in addition to his normal work outs and practices would make him more likely to be injured. Our bodies need recovery time, and using that down time to stimulate different parts of the brain involved with processing music sounds like a pretty healthy endeavor, no?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject:

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So it isn't his kid?


I think they are talking about RG3.


No - Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject:

Wonder what happened. Who dumped who? Why? We need TMZ on it like now.
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Maybe. It's not inconceivable that there exists a world in which Lonzo spends 20-30 hours a week on his musical pursuits, hours that were he not so invested in creating (poor) rap albums might otherwise be spent in the weight room, hours spent in the weight room potentially strengthening the relevant muscles to the extent that he would not have sustained the injury.


3-4 extra hours a day of weight training in addition to his normal work outs and practices would make him more likely to be injured. Our bodies need recovery time, and using that down time to stimulate different parts of the brain involved with processing music sounds like a pretty healthy endeavor, no?


Okay I'll reason with you: Part of it for me is the fact that his music is so damn bad. If it were merely kind of bad, or maybe even just plain regular bad, I might feel differently. But it is 100%, Grade A, Freshly Graded B-A-D.
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