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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:36 pm Post subject:
Vanquish wrote:
oldschool32 wrote:
danzag wrote:
46% for free throws is unacceptable.
Ouch.
Aside from the funky technique, I think a lot of it is mental. The media is getting to Lonzo's confidence. I get that his technique might make him too slow to get his shot off against nba level defenses, but that doesn't explain his lousy ft % with no one guarding him. He is letting the media get into his head.
You might be right. Anyone know what his FT % was throughout high school? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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Aside from the funky technique, I think a lot of it is mental. The media is getting to Lonzo's confidence. I get that his technique might make him too slow to get his shot off against nba level defenses, but that doesn't explain his lousy ft % with no one guarding him. He is letting the media get into his head.
You might be right. Anyone know what his FT % was throughout high school?
Shot 80% as a senior.
To me his FTs are mental.
He just goes up there and tosses them up without any focus.
Aside from the funky technique, I think a lot of it is mental. The media is getting to Lonzo's confidence. I get that his technique might make him too slow to get his shot off against nba level defenses, but that doesn't explain his lousy ft % with no one guarding him. He is letting the media get into his head.
You might be right. Anyone know what his FT % was throughout high school?
Shot 80% as a senior.
To me his FTs are mental.
He just goes up there and tosses them up without any focus.
Honestly, it feels/seems like he's just flinging them up there in a rush just to get off the damn line. Like he's uncomfortable that the focus in entirely on him at that point. He does that a lot with his quick dunks too. No hanging on the rim... half the time he doesn't even touch the rim. Just slams it through and runs the other way.
Whereas Lavar would probably hang out at the FT line for a minute yapping and soaking up all the attention between each free throw if he could. Or be that guy hanging on the rim and going thru a series of theatrics after a play. It's like Lonzo wants to be the opposite of that. _________________ "Dread it, run from it... destiny arrives all the same."
He needs to get to the rim a few more times a game and draw some fouls. Sure, his FT% sucks right now but he must work on that instead of only relying on 3's.
This is the part of his game that has disappointed me the most.
He doesn’t attack. Because of that it makes it harder for the rest of the team to score especially in the halfcourt.
Agree. He passes it away to early, and often just stands around watching the offense happen. He needs to be a part of it. He needs to be the one constantly attacking the basket, just like IT does. Motion creates emotion. Always be attacking the rim and looking to either score closer up or flick it to Randle, Zubac or flick it out for the open three.
At least, if nothing else, get the other team in foul trouble.
He needs to get to the rim a few more times a game and draw some fouls. Sure, his FT% sucks right now but he must work on that instead of only relying on 3's.
This is the part of his game that has disappointed me the most.
He doesn’t attack. Because of that it makes it harder for the rest of the team to score especially in the halfcourt.
Agree. He passes it away to early, and often just stands around watching the offense happen. He needs to be a part of it. He needs to be the one constantly attacking the basket, just like IT does. Motion creates emotion. Always be attacking the rim and looking to either score closer up or flick it to Randle, Zubac or flick it out for the open three.
At least, if nothing else, get the other team in foul trouble.
He’s not going to dominate the basketball especially in the half court. It’s not his game. But I agree he needs to get to the rim more and finish more often once he gets there.
He needs to get to the rim a few more times a game and draw some fouls. Sure, his FT% sucks right now but he must work on that instead of only relying on 3's.
This is the part of his game that has disappointed me the most.
He doesn’t attack. Because of that it makes it harder for the rest of the team to score especially in the halfcourt.
Agree. He passes it away to early, and often just stands around watching the offense happen. He needs to be a part of it. He needs to be the one constantly attacking the basket, just like IT does. Motion creates emotion. Always be attacking the rim and looking to either score closer up or flick it to Randle, Zubac or flick it out for the open three.
At least, if nothing else, get the other team in foul trouble.
He’s not going to dominate the basketball especially in the half court. It’s not his game. But I agree he needs to get to the rim more and finish more often once he gets there.
He cuts all the time, nobody gets him the ball. He's open for so many lobs sometimes.
He needs to get to the rim a few more times a game and draw some fouls. Sure, his FT% sucks right now but he must work on that instead of only relying on 3's.
This is the part of his game that has disappointed me the most.
He doesn’t attack. Because of that it makes it harder for the rest of the team to score especially in the halfcourt.
Agree. He passes it away to early, and often just stands around watching the offense happen. He needs to be a part of it. He needs to be the one constantly attacking the basket, just like IT does. Motion creates emotion. Always be attacking the rim and looking to either score closer up or flick it to Randle, Zubac or flick it out for the open three.
At least, if nothing else, get the other team in foul trouble.
He’s not going to dominate the basketball especially in the half court. It’s not his game. But I agree he needs to get to the rim more and finish more often once he gets there.
He cuts all the time, nobody gets him the ball. He's open for so many lobs sometimes.
Yea he does and it’s really weird that nobody is willing or able to make that pass. He caught those baseline cut lobs a bunch of times in college. With that said, he still has opportunities to get the the basket with the ball in his hands that he doesn’t take advantage of.
The most frequent comparisons are/were, Kendall Marshall..lol, Ricky Rubio and Jason Kidd. After 46 games I think it is safe to say that the Kendall Marshall comparison was ridiculous. The Rubio comparison while better than the marshall comparison, is not apt because Lonzo's athleticism is in a different league compared to Rubio's.
That brings us to Kidd. The rookie stats are very similar with Lonzo being a better shooter. Kidd was stronger than Lonzo as a rookie but I think Lonzo has better athleticism. After 46 games it looks like the Kidd comparisons were pretty accurate and with the normal development of his game Lonzo will probably be as good if not better.
Kidd shot 27% from 3 his rookie year. Chris Paul 28%. Lonzo's 3 should be fine but the FT are a concern because it looks like it could be a mental issue.
The most frequent comparisons are/were, Kendall Marshall..lol, Ricky Rubio and Jason Kidd. After 46 games I think it is safe to say that the Kendall Marshall comparison was ridiculous. The Rubio comparison while better than the marshall comparison, is not apt because Lonzo's athleticism is in a different league compared to Rubio's.
That brings us to Kidd. The rookie stats are very similar with Lonzo being a better shooter. Kidd was stronger than Lonzo as a rookie but I think Lonzo has better athleticism. After 46 games it looks like the Kidd comparisons were pretty accurate and with the normal development of his game Lonzo will probably be as good if not better.
Kidd shot 27% from 3 his rookie year. Chris Paul 28%. Lonzo's 3 should be fine but the FT are a concern because it looks like it could be a mental issue.
CP3 and kidd also had other offensive options like attacking the rim and jumpers within the stripe ... quick jacking only 3 pt shots
If he took zero shots the team would be better. And that sucks
Exactly! Those 3 airballs against Utah and all those terrible shots he takes when he does get minutes, and the times he gets lost on D..Oh wait! I thought this was the Kobe rookie thread.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject:
OCWA wrote:
RichD wrote:
If he took zero shots the team would be better. And that sucks
Exactly! Those 3 airballs against Utah and all those terrible shots he takes when he does get minutes, and the times he gets lost on D..Oh wait! I thought this was the Kobe rookie thread.
Exactly what I thought. I give the kid to 22 before determining what he is. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:39 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
OCWA wrote:
RichD wrote:
If he took zero shots the team would be better. And that sucks
Exactly! Those 3 airballs against Utah and all those terrible shots he takes when he does get minutes, and the times he gets lost on D..Oh wait! I thought this was the Kobe rookie thread.
Exactly what I thought. I give the kid to 22 before determining what he is.
Never said. The next 2 years. Just said this team now. He needs to not shoot. Kobe had a bad game. Lonzo had a bad shooting season
This offseason should be good for him. It'll give him the opportunity to develop more of a repertoire offensively outside of settling for threes. He also needs extensive film work on figuring out when to pass vs when to shoot. His free throw shooting needs to improve, though. He'd probably look for his own shot more when he gets to the rim if he was a better free throw shooter. He's way ahead of the curve in virtually every area outside of a couple of things on offense. His future is so bright. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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Exactly what I thought. I give the kid to 22 before determining what he is.
