OFFICIAL LONZO BALL THREAD (Scheduled for Knee Surgery/Scope on 7/17, Should Be 100% for Training Camp, p. 1112)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject:

I swear, people really expose how mentally weak they are when the team loses.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo is ahead of where Ingram was as a rookie.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject:

Randle started out shooting 43% and got up to 57% by his third year without even having Lonzo's three pointer.

It's really painful to see Zo struggle on offense but he's doing fine running the offense and playing defense. If JR and BI can make such growth driving inside then I'm sure Lonzo can as well, and maybe they can even teach him.

I never thought Julius would be anything more than a football player in a basketball uniform but he's learning to use his right hand, he's passing more and no one can deny his shooting percentage. Use those two as guidelines when it all looks hopeless.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject:

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Zo is going through a bad stretch. Similar to how he was playing in the beginning of the season. He will bounce back.

It's almost like the last two and a half months before this recent stretch didn't even happen
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
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Zo is going through a bad stretch. Similar to how he was playing in the beginning of the season. He will bounce back.

It's almost like the last two and a half months before this recent stretch didn't even happen


Two and a half months where he played what? 10 games? 15?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject:

Come on people, let's be honest. The only reason we debate Lonzo so ferociously is because we don't want to talk or interact with our significant others. This is our bastion. Whether we know it or not we are all on the same page.
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PRLakeShow wrote:
RichD wrote:
The Grind wrote:
Zo is going through a bad stretch. Similar to how he was playing in the beginning of the season. He will bounce back.

Bad stretch? He's historically bad.


Well at least we have a good thing going with historically bad rookies. We can expect as big of a leap from Lonzo next season as BI's leap this season right?

I hope this is true. I'm rooting for Lonzo. I'm really just talking about today. I think he's going to be at least Rickie rubio. And probably better.. But this year please stop shooting
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject:

PRLakeShow wrote:
RichD wrote:
The Grind wrote:
Zo is going through a bad stretch. Similar to how he was playing in the beginning of the season. He will bounce back.

Bad stretch? He's historically bad.


Well at least we have a good thing going with historically bad rookies. We can expect as big of a leap from Lonzo next season as BI's leap this season right?


This makes some sense. I remember thinking that BI was rushing shots and shooting scared.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:59 pm    Post subject:

And BI even had more ridiculous length but he could not finish worth crap. Lonzo has length and athleticism yet he looks like Fisher out there. I think he will improve a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:02 pm    Post subject:

After the Spurs game, teams have been taking away his 3 point shot and forcing him to drive. And on drives, they are taking away the pass and forcing him to score, which he is awful at.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:05 pm    Post subject:

BI always had a nice looking form to his shot...His shots were eventually going to fall. You can't compare the two.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject:

Godbe wrote:
After the Spurs game, teams have been taking away his 3 point shot and forcing him to drive. And on drives, they are taking away the pass and forcing him to score, which he is awful at.


Thanks for the facts, but you need to take a stand you fence sitter. Is he Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject:

The first practice after the season is over...If Magic/Pelinka don't start working on a new shooting form for Lonzo immediately, they are dumber than I could have imagined.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:11 pm    Post subject:

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The first practice after the season is over...If Magic/Pelinka don't start working on a new shooting form for Lonzo immediately, they are dumber than I could have imagined.


Have you seen Pelinka shoot the ball? Seriously, Lonzo needs to do this on his own, as we have seen with Julius, paid trainers who do one thing are a better way to spend the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject:

Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:13 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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The first practice after the season is over...If Magic/Pelinka don't start working on a new shooting form for Lonzo immediately, they are dumber than I could have imagined.


Have you seen Pelinka shoot the ball? Seriously, Lonzo needs to do this on his own, as we have seen with Julius, paid trainers who do one thing are a better way to spend the time.

Good one.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:14 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
The first practice after the season is over...If Magic/Pelinka don't start working on a new shooting form for Lonzo immediately, they are dumber than I could have imagined.


Have you seen Pelinka shoot the ball? Seriously, Lonzo needs to do this on his own, as we have seen with Julius, paid trainers who do one thing are a better way to spend the time.

Good one.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:14 pm    Post subject:

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Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson


Kendall Marshall hit threes consistently when he was with us.

But Lonzo should be loads better than he was.

Would still take Marshall as backup point guard if we had a scoring 2 off the bench to combine with Kuzma etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:23 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
PRLakeShow wrote:
Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson


Kendall Marshall hit threes consistently when he was with us.

But Lonzo should be loads better than he was.

Would still take Marshall as backup point guard if we had a scoring 2 off the bench to combine with Kuzma etc.


Kendall is a nice passer but he just doesn't have NBA level athleticism. That is one reason why I don't worry about Lonzo. His athleticism is quite good despite what the experts thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:14 pm    Post subject:

RichD wrote:
PRLakeShow wrote:
RichD wrote:
The Grind wrote:
Zo is going through a bad stretch. Similar to how he was playing in the beginning of the season. He will bounce back.

Bad stretch? He's historically bad.


Well at least we have a good thing going with historically bad rookies. We can expect as big of a leap from Lonzo next season as BI's leap this season right?

I hope this is true. I'm rooting for Lonzo. I'm really just talking about today. I think he's going to be at least Rickie rubio. And probably better.. But this year please stop shooting


Stop shooting for what ? Lmaoo you guys are so dramatic . He is a rookie going through bad stretch . Because that’s never happened before . Lakers aren’t making playoffs. I want him to play through it he will be a better player for it . Learn from it .


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:17 pm    Post subject:

PRLakeShow wrote:
Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson


Jason Kidd
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:36 pm    Post subject:

BizLA wrote:
PRLakeShow wrote:
Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson


Jason Kidd


Rajon Rondo
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jg77 wrote:
BizLA wrote:
PRLakeShow wrote:
Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson


Jason Kidd


Rajon Rondo


Lonzo Ball
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:05 am    Post subject:

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Randle started out shooting 43% and got up to 57% by his third year without even having Lonzo's three pointer.

It's really painful to see Zo struggle on offense but he's doing fine running the offense and playing defense. If JR and BI can make such growth driving inside then I'm sure Lonzo can as well, and maybe they can even teach him.

I never thought Julius would be anything more than a football player in a basketball uniform but he's learning to use his right hand, he's passing more and no one can deny his shooting percentage. Use those two as guidelines when it all looks hopeless.


One thing I worry about is the mentality. Point guards are usually either pass first or shoot first and they pretty much stick to it throughout their careers.

Jason Kidd, Rondo, they never developed into scorers. Kidd eventually developed a three pt shot but he never aggressively tried to score. Kidd avg 12.6 ppg throughout his career. Rondo, 10.5ppg.

I'm trying to think of a pass first pg who struggled with his shot entering the league and then eventually became a 16-17 ppg scorer.

Magic? He came into the league avg 18 ppg. Stockton? He could always shoot he just chose not to. Most he avg was 17 ppg.

Gary Payton? That could be a good example. He went from:

1st yr - 7.2 pts
2nd yr - 9.4 pts
3rd yr - 13.5 pts
4th yr - 16.5 pts
5th yr - 20.6 pts

Although, I can't say Payton struggled with his shot. He shot 45% as a rookie. 49% by his 3rd yr. Payton also wasn't really a pass first pg though.

I think it's hard to shake that pass first mentality. It makes a pg passive when looking for their shot. Since they are so passive about looking for their shot, they're probably as passive when working out (in regards to creating their own shot).

Look at Austin Rivers. That dude is very aggressive in looking for his shot. Even when he came into the league and couldn't shoot, he was very aggressive. When you look at his workouts, it's all about how to create a shot for himself.

Same thing with Jordan Clarkson. All his workouts are about how to create shots for himself.

I don't think Lonzo works out that way. Probably the most he does is workout on his spot up threes. I don't think he works out like Jordan Clarkson or Austin Rivers does (in regards to creating shots for himself).


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:07 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
jg77 wrote:
BizLA wrote:
PRLakeShow wrote:
Kendall Marshall or Magic Johnson


Jason Kidd


Rajon Rondo


Lonzo Ball


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