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Judah
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This thread has dissolved into a dumpster fire, primarily because of the people trashing him.
'I question his desire to be great.'
^Why? Because he's been in a funk the last several games? 
That's an epic failure of basic logic.
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| ^^^^fwiw, my comments were not even meant to be negative about him....I just disagreed with Stu's assertion that he has not shot enough free throws this season to suggest he is currently a poor free throw shooter. |
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Judah
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | ^^^^fwiw, my comments were not even meant to be negative about him....I just disagreed with Stu's assertion that he has not shot enough free throws this season to suggest he is currently a poor free throw shooter. |
Didn't have you in mind when I posted that.
Also, that's a statement I can agree with.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Get a triple-double on Thursday night and all will be forgiven. 
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | BynumForThree wrote: | | Looks like my pre-draft criticisms of his game were all true and then some. Luckily his defense came out of nowhere otherwise imagine the disaster of a season he would be having impact-wise. |
Defense is half the game. You were dead wrong about that half. Even if you have convinced yourself you were right about his offensive game, you were way off. Almost as far off as your Fultz predictions. |
The chest beating is so weird. He's been as advertised in pretty much every area, with the exception of his defense, which has been way better than anticipated. He's been bad as a scorer. Was that...unexpected? Here are how the other Top 10 PGs in his draft class have shot.
De'Aaron Fox.......48.6 TS%
Dennis Smith, Jr...46.9 TS%
Lonzo Ball............44.4 TS%
Frank Ntilikina......43.5 TS%
Markelle Fultz.......37.2 TS% (4 games, completely forgot how to shoot a basketball)
So I guess they're all busts?
People do this with PGs every year and never learn. Lonzo's gonna leave his rookie year as one of the best passing, rebounding, and defending guards in the NBA. So dumb. |
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Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | | ^^^^fwiw, my comments were not even meant to be negative about him....I just disagreed with Stu's assertion that he has not shot enough free throws this season to suggest he is currently a poor free throw shooter. |
That’s basically true because his lack of aggression to penetrate.... |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Finishing and FTs is all I care about for next year. The 3 pointer will be streaky but he is reasonably comfortable there. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Get a triple-double on Thursday night and all will be forgiven. |
i’d settle for an efficient 15 pts with balance of 3ptrs, inside shots, floaters or layups/dunks |
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| Past few pages have been typical of the ‘what have you done for me lately’ view of the world. Was done to Randle, DLO, Ingram, and now Ball. In all instances, sheer foolishness as these things take time and all you want to see at this point are flashes of what they will become. I for one am extremely stoked. |
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al242
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | Past few pages have been typical of the ‘what have you done for me lately’ view of the world. Was done to Randle, DLO, Ingram, and now Ball. In all instances, sheer foolishness as these things take time and all you want to see at this point are flashes of what they will become. I for one am extremely stoked. |
Randle, Dlo nor Ingram were this inefficient on offense, this is historically bad. |
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people can reach their own conclusions on how successful Ball's season has been, or how good he can become later in his career.....but I am confident if LG was told that Lonzo would have a 10/7/7 season on 36% shooting & 31% from 3........95% of LG would have been disappointed.
Is it fair to claim that makes it a disappointing season? Probably not, but it's fair to claim expectations built on hype were unreasonable. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. |
DLo was unathletic and slow AF. He’s very skilled but the ceiling is just low. Not to mention is lack of work ethic and his gimpy knee. So no matter what kinda historical stat people are clamoring here to prove their point . Meh, just another good player. |
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LakesGnrLake
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | people can reach their own conclusions on how successful Ball's season has been, or how good he can become later in his career.....but I am confident if LG was told that Lonzo would have a 10/7/7 season on 36% shooting & 31% from 3........95% of LG would have been disappointed.
Is it fair to claim that makes it a disappointing season? Probably not, but it's fair to claim expectations built on hype were unreasonable. |
Lonzo is gonna be top 5 for rookies in rebounds, assists, and blocks. He's shown more than enough offensive flashes to show he can score in the NBA. It's really just a matter of him getting stronger and getting more confident. This is a kid who has a very good chance of averaging a triple double in his prime. |
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Lakers4Life33
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | Past few pages have been typical of the ‘what have you done for me lately’ view of the world. Was done to Randle, DLO, Ingram, and now Ball. In all instances, sheer foolishness as these things take time and all you want to see at this point are flashes of what they will become. I for one am extremely stoked. |
Agreed. Still wouldn’t trade Lonzo for anyone in the league. |
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LakerLogic
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| al242 wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | Past few pages have been typical of the ‘what have you done for me lately’ view of the world. Was done to Randle, DLO, Ingram, and now Ball. In all instances, sheer foolishness as these things take time and all you want to see at this point are flashes of what they will become. I for one am extremely stoked. |
Randle, Dlo nor Ingram were this inefficient on offense, this is historically bad. |
Ingram was pretty bad. 47.4% TS. -3.1 OBPM. 8.5 PER
Lonzo 44.4% TS. -1.0 OBPM. 12.5 PER
Even though his shooting sucks, he is still better offensively. |
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GoldenThroat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | people can reach their own conclusions on how successful Ball's season has been, or how good he can become later in his career.....but I am confident if LG was told that Lonzo would have a 10/7/7 season on 36% shooting & 31% from 3........95% of LG would have been disappointed.
Is it fair to claim that makes it a disappointing season? Probably not, but it's fair to claim expectations built on hype were unreasonable. |
Does that include knowledge of him being one of the best defensive guards in the league and a +1.03 RPM/+1.5 BPM guy overall? Because I would've definitely signed up for that. |
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CRoost
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: | people can reach their own conclusions on how successful Ball's season has been, or how good he can become later in his career.....but I am confident if LG was told that Lonzo would have a 10/7/7 season on 36% shooting & 31% from 3........95% of LG would have been disappointed.
Is it fair to claim that makes it a disappointing season? Probably not, but it's fair to claim expectations built on hype were unreasonable. |
Yes if his defense was going to be atrocious like I anticipated . But offensively, I thought he would be better but not much. I expected Zo to struggle early and will pick up and it did. The reason I ain’t disappointed was I can see a lot flashes on how he’s going to be that player and more importantly, how he was way better defensively. |
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Goldenwest
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| Injuries can throw a whole team off. Specially a young team. I attribute some of Lonzo’s Struggles to not having Ingram and Hart on the court and also not having a reliable bench to back him up. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. |
DLo was unathletic and slow AF. He’s very skilled but the ceiling is just low. Not to mention is lack of work ethic and his gimpy knee. So no matter what kinda historical stat people are clamoring here to prove their point . Meh, just another good player. |
Nah you’re missing the point. It’s difficult for 19-20 year old PGs to flourish as rookies.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. |
DLo was unathletic and slow AF. He’s very skilled but the ceiling is just low. Not to mention is lack of work ethic and his gimpy knee. So no matter what kinda historical stat people are clamoring here to prove their point . Meh, just another good player. |
Nah you’re missing the point. It’s difficult for 19-20 year old PGs to flourish as rookies. |
I get that part but DLo 2 years is not what you call flourishing either. He has his moments but nothing like what can Lonzo bring to the table. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. |
DLo was unathletic and slow AF. He’s very skilled but the ceiling is just low. Not to mention is lack of work ethic and his gimpy knee. So no matter what kinda historical stat people are clamoring here to prove their point . Meh, just another good player. |
Nah you’re missing the point. It’s difficult for 19-20 year old PGs to flourish as rookies. |
I get that part but DLo 2 years is not what you call flourishing either. He has his moments but nothing like what can Lonzo bring to the table. |
So why are you disagreeing with the underlying assertion then?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. |
DLo was unathletic and slow AF. He’s very skilled but the ceiling is just low. Not to mention is lack of work ethic and his gimpy knee. So no matter what kinda historical stat people are clamoring here to prove their point . Meh, just another good player. |
Nah you’re missing the point. It’s difficult for 19-20 year old PGs to flourish as rookies. |
I get that part but DLo 2 years is not what you call flourishing either. He has his moments but nothing like what can Lonzo bring to the table. |
So why are you disagreeing with the underlying assertion then? |
Because DLo has no impact, |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Going through 2 years of DLO prepared me for the inevitable backlash by some re: Lonzo. |
DLo was unathletic and slow AF. He’s very skilled but the ceiling is just low. Not to mention is lack of work ethic and his gimpy knee. So no matter what kinda historical stat people are clamoring here to prove their point . Meh, just another good player. |
Nah you’re missing the point. It’s difficult for 19-20 year old PGs to flourish as rookies. |
I get that part but DLo 2 years is not what you call flourishing either. He has his moments but nothing like what can Lonzo bring to the table. |
So why are you disagreeing with the underlying assertion then? |
Because his name causes some folks to see red, for whatever reason. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm really dumbfounded that no one answered my question so I'll just ask it again, are we better off starting Ennis? |
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