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| ringfinger wrote: | | One thing that is weird about Lonzo and his shooting form is that once in a while, he takes a more normal looking shot. |
That is the problem. He is not consistent with his mechanics, whatever they are. He has a lot of work to do. |
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| One problem I've seen from the start with Lonzo is he has no diversity to his offensive game. He has no explosive drive off the dribble to the rim like a Ben Simmons no mid range at all its just shooting three pointers.His entire offensive game is shooting three pointers he has nothing else to fall back on if the three is not working like a Kyle Kuzma who has a ton of drives and spin moves when the three is off.Not only does he need improve shooting the three he's got to at least develop a consistent power move to the basket. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread will be funny if Zo puts up 30 on Memphis tomorrow. |
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| LakersDC wrote: | All those who support Lonzo not TRYING to change his shot are blind. Yes, changing his shot may not help, but there is a chance it will help him eventually become a good shooter. With his current form, he will NEVER be a good shooter.
Personally I doubt he changes it based off advice from Lavar, but I really hope he gives it a try. Maybe someone Zo would respect could convince and teach him (like a Ray Allen).
As much as the Fultz situation is weird as hell, this was a guy with a pretty fluid J willing to retool his shot just to improve it for the NBA game. While it hasn't worked so far, I like the initiative to recognize room for improvement and to work on it. With Lonzo's broke as a joke J, hope he realizes it and changes it rather than taking the lazy way out and assuming since he made it to the league with this shot, it's good enough. |
I'm just waiting for the shot to revert to Zo's sophomore year in HS, more in front of the forehead, almost similar to KD w less wingspan.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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At this point in his young career, is it a pride thing if he DOESN'T try to change his form? Will he feel like he's conceding something if he switches it up?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | LakersDC wrote: | All those who support Lonzo not TRYING to change his shot are blind. Yes, changing his shot may not help, but there is a chance it will help him eventually become a good shooter. With his current form, he will NEVER be a good shooter.
Personally I doubt he changes it based off advice from Lavar, but I really hope he gives it a try. Maybe someone Zo would respect could convince and teach him (like a Ray Allen).
As much as the Fultz situation is weird as hell, this was a guy with a pretty fluid J willing to retool his shot just to improve it for the NBA game. While it hasn't worked so far, I like the initiative to recognize room for improvement and to work on it. With Lonzo's broke as a joke J, hope he realizes it and changes it rather than taking the lazy way out and assuming since he made it to the league with this shot, it's good enough. |
I'm just waiting for the shot to revert to Zo's sophomore year in HS, more in front of the forehead, almost similar to KD w less wingspan. |
Pretty much. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | LakersDC wrote: | All those who support Lonzo not TRYING to change his shot are blind. Yes, changing his shot may not help, but there is a chance it will help him eventually become a good shooter. With his current form, he will NEVER be a good shooter.
Personally I doubt he changes it based off advice from Lavar, but I really hope he gives it a try. Maybe someone Zo would respect could convince and teach him (like a Ray Allen).
As much as the Fultz situation is weird as hell, this was a guy with a pretty fluid J willing to retool his shot just to improve it for the NBA game. While it hasn't worked so far, I like the initiative to recognize room for improvement and to work on it. With Lonzo's broke as a joke J, hope he realizes it and changes it rather than taking the lazy way out and assuming since he made it to the league with this shot, it's good enough. |
I'm just waiting for the shot to revert to Zo's sophomore year in HS, more in front of the forehead, almost similar to KD w less wingspan. |
Yeah. If they do decide to rebuild the shot this offseason, it would make a great deal of sense to go with a form he's used in the past. That way, it isn't totally brand new for him.
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No more draft picks for Magic. Drafting Lonzo solidifies his reputation as a terrible evaluator of talent.
His past tweets:
"The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams."
"I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers."
"If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft." |
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Lonzo is going to work on changing his free throw from.
Surprised all you that chirop the loudest about his former weren't the first to jump on that information.
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| tofulakers wrote: | No more draft picks for Magic. Drafting Lonzo solidifies his reputation as a terrible evaluator of talent.
His past tweets:
"The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams."
"I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers."
"If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft." |
I wouldn’t go that far...we did get 2 steals in Kuzma & Hart.. |
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| MJST wrote: | Lonzo is going to work on changing his free throw from.
Surprised all you that chirop the loudest about his former weren't the first to jump on that information. |
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“Just slow down. I’m shooting them too fast,” said Ball, according to Kevin Ding of Lakers.com. “Take an extra dribble and breathe a little bit more. Mostly bend your knees, though, because I do shoot ‘em straight up. In the flow of the game, if you’re tired and you’re shooting ‘em straight up, that’s not going to come off good.”
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| BizLA wrote: | | tofulakers wrote: | No more draft picks for Magic. Drafting Lonzo solidifies his reputation as a terrible evaluator of talent.
His past tweets:
"The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams."
"I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers."
"If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft." |
I wouldn’t go that far...we did get 2 steals in Kuzma & Hart.. |
I believe that Kuzma, Hart, and Bryant were the Buss brothers' and the scouts' picks. Zo was Magic's pick and Pelinka just went along because he can't say 'no' to Magic. The Buss brothers' have a done good job and I highly doubt they believed that Zo deserved to be a #2. |
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I guess we missed out on Fultz then huh? 
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Kuzma, Hart, Bryant, Nance Jr, Clarkson were all Buss brothers and Ryan West picks.
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Anyway it's way too early to judge what Zo won't or won't be.
If this is as bad as his jumper will ever be, that's scary for the rest of the league.
Despite not going to the basket, being horrid at free throws, and not shooting the three well as of late he's still near always in triple double range. Let that marinate.
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| MJST wrote: | Anyway it's way too early to judge what Zo won't or won't be.
If this is as bad as his jumper will ever be, that's scary for the rest of the league.
Despite not going to the basket, being horrid at free throws, and not shooting the three well as of late he's still near always in triple double range. Let that marinate. |
Why should we assume his jumper will never improve?
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| MJST wrote: | Anyway it's way too early to judge what Zo won't or won't be.
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Interesting concept. |
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| MJST wrote: | | Kuzma, Hart, Bryant, Nance Jr, Clarkson were all Buss brothers and Ryan West picks. |
All our picks came from our scouting department
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| tofulakers wrote: | | BizLA wrote: | | tofulakers wrote: | No more draft picks for Magic. Drafting Lonzo solidifies his reputation as a terrible evaluator of talent.
His past tweets:
"The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams."
"I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers."
"If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft." |
I wouldn’t go that far...we did get 2 steals in Kuzma & Hart.. |
I believe that Kuzma, Hart, and Bryant were the Buss brothers' and the scouts' picks. Zo was Magic's pick and Pelinka just went along because he can't say 'no' to Magic. The Buss brothers' have a done good job and I highly doubt they believed that Zo deserved to be a #2. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I guess we missed out on Fultz then huh? |
No but I remember the idea of trading #2 for #'s 5 and 10 with the Kings was floated around- just think, we could have had markkanen and mitchell, kept Dlo AND Zo might have STILL dropped to us at 5. I wanted Zo and still want to keep him BUT...
We did have options back then... |
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| Christopher Walken wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I guess we missed out on Fultz then huh? |
No but I remember the idea of trading #2 for #'s 5 and 10 with the Kings was floated around- just think, we could have had markkanen and mitchell, kept Dlo AND Zo might have STILL dropped to us at 5. I wanted Zo and still want to keep him BUT...
We did have options back then... |
Vlade declined that offer.
So that particular option was NOT available even in hindsight. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Anyway it's way too early to judge what Zo won't or won't be.
If this is as bad as his jumper will ever be, that's scary for the rest of the league.
Despite not going to the basket, being horrid at free throws, and not shooting the three well as of late he's still near always in triple double range. Let that marinate. |
Why should we assume his jumper will never improve? |
Fixing/improving a player's shot is probably the most feasible of areas to address. If a guy has no touch on his shot sometimes that isn't an easy fix. But Zo has touch.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Anyway it's way too early to judge what Zo won't or won't be.
If this is as bad as his jumper will ever be, that's scary for the rest of the league.
Despite not going to the basket, being horrid at free throws, and not shooting the three well as of late he's still near always in triple double range. Let that marinate. |
Why should we assume his jumper will never improve? |
Fixing/improving a player's shot is probably the most feasible of areas to address. If a guy has no touch on his shot sometimes that isn't an easy fix. But Zo has touch. |
Don’t know what touch means exactly, but, Zo can’t hit FTs or finish at the rim. That doesn’t seem like great touch.
He does have good touch on his passes though. |
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